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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On May 09 2016 02:03 oneofthem wrote: the same group of people would already be future dems without sanders. he's only creating a tea party situation with a lot of paranoia, conspiracy, antagonism and a lot of dumb. obama's critique http://m.dailykos.com/story/2016/5/7/1524279/-Obama-s-Critique-of-Sanders All of that is true. However, I would argue there is also a group of existing young Democrats who find themselves intolerant of money in politics and see no reason to support money in politics. They can't just be completely ignored and the idea of money in politics does need to be addressed imo. Otherwise the party risks even lower turnout. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Donald Trump, the presumptive GOP nominee, said Sunday that "people have to get more," after spending time on the campaign trail striking down the possibility of a minimum wage hike. "I am looking at it, and I haven't decided in terms of numbers. But I think people have to get more," Trump said on ABC News' "This Week." Trump has said that the wages were too high in the country, notably at a debate in November. Trump told ABC host George that it was a different opinion than previously expressed. "Sure, it's a change. I'm allowed to change," he said. "But my real minimum wage is going to be — I'm going to bring companies back into this country, and they're going to make a lot more than the $15 even." Source | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On May 09 2016 02:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Conspiracy theory: Trump will slowly force the GOP to become more moderate in areas than the Democrats are. Source Donald trump is a new york Democrat. There's no two ways about it. People do not change as much as he claims to have. Not someone as thoughtful and intelligent as him. He's a thinker. He's used these talents in terrible ways, but I still view Donald as a very intelligent, thoughtful person who really wanted to be president and knew how to do it. If he wins, his presidency will be more liberal than Obama. Guaranteed. | ||
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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22530 Posts
On May 09 2016 04:50 oneofthem wrote: trump is not a thinker. he has one strat I think the abrupt change in his political affiliation to capitalize on the tea party movement and subsequent clinching of the Republican nomination shows that he is probably more clever then we give him credit for. At the very least he has shown he very much knows what he is doing. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28876 Posts
On May 09 2016 04:10 Mohdoo wrote: Donald trump is a new york Democrat. There's no two ways about it. People do not change as much as he claims to have. Not someone as thoughtful and intelligent as him. He's a thinker. He's used these talents in terrible ways, but I still view Donald as a very intelligent, thoughtful person who really wanted to be president and knew how to do it. If he wins, his presidency will be more liberal than Obama. Guaranteed. by what metric is he going to be more liberal than obama? more isolationist and protectionst are the only ones I can think of, and even those for entirely illiberal reasons. he's certainly far less liberal on all types of identity politics, abortion, taxation, crime, education, immigration, warfare. Health care I could conceivably see him shut down ACA for something more liberal based on things he has said in the past, but going by his webpage, he's not gonna try to implement single payer or whatever.. I can accept that conservatives would also be unhappy with him because he wouldn't be consistently anything, but I don't understand what Trump has said that makes you think he would be more liberal than Obama. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On May 09 2016 04:50 oneofthem wrote: trump is not a thinker. he has one strat He has mapped out and executed a brilliant strategy to appeal to people at an emotional level. You should give him a little more credit. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On May 09 2016 05:18 xDaunt wrote: He has mapped out and executed a brilliant strategy to appeal to people at an emotional level. You should give him a little more credit. Making bombastic and bigoted statements ad nauseam is not a brilliant strategy. It says more about the Republican electorate than it does about Trump's intelligence. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22530 Posts
On May 09 2016 05:21 kwizach wrote: Making bombastic and bigoted statements ad nauseam is not a brilliant strategy. It says more about the Republican electorate than it does about Trump's intelligence. Really? It allowed a political 0, who mere months ago identified as Democrat, to take the Republican nomination by storm. You can call it dumb luck but that still doesn't explain why he even decided to run for the Republican nomination in the first place. It was hardly the obvious thing to do. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On May 09 2016 05:40 Gorsameth wrote: Really? It allowed a politician 0 who, mere months ago identified as Democrat, to take the Republican nomination by storm. You can call it dumb luck but that still doesn't explain why he even decided to run for the Republican nomination in the first place. It was hardly the obvious thing to do. There will be books written about what Trump has done this election cycle, regardless of whether he wins in November. He is using a lot of the same psychological techniques that high powered salesmen and top trial lawyers use. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On May 09 2016 05:40 Gorsameth wrote: Really? It allowed a politician 0 who, mere months ago identified as Democrat, to take the Republican nomination by storm. You can call it dumb luck but that still doesn't explain why he even decided to run for the Republican nomination in the first place. It was hardly the obvious thing to do. Months ago? Regardless of his last official party affiliation (I don't think he's identified as Democrat in recent years), he has certainly been opposed to Democrats in the eyes of the electorate since his birther nonsense against Obama, and since he started becoming a regular guest on Fox News (Fox & Friends in particular). His entire strategy was to be a loud-mouthed and unapologetic populist bigot, tapping into the fears of the Republican electorate. It's not the result of deep strategizing, it's Trump being himself and the context being ripe for his candidacy to succeed. He did also decide to constantly make ridiculous statements on a regular basis in order to keep the media focused on him, but since his entire formula for winning the Republican primary is going to cost him the general election, I wouldn't call that brilliant. He'll have earned the title of loser of the 2016 election. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8171 Posts
Just like Marine Le Pen in France or other far right populist leaders doing good scores all around Europe, Trump's success just demonstrate in what horrendous shape conservative America is, and how politically illiterate US citizens are. That's quite fucking far from glorious; the whole world is watching this clownfest with disbelief. | ||
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oBlade
United States6396 Posts
On May 09 2016 02:25 zlefin wrote: It's probably hard to be President of the US, or seriously try to be President, without being somewhat narcissistic. That's probably true - at any rate Obama's up there. On May 09 2016 04:59 Gorsameth wrote: I think the abrupt change in his political affiliation to capitalize on the tea party movement and subsequent clinching of the Republican nomination shows that he is probably more clever then we give him credit for. At the very least he has shown he very much knows what he is doing. If Cruz and Trump are both faces of what you want to call the Tea Party movement, then it seems like that movement comprises an overwhelming majority of the GOP, right? | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
On May 09 2016 05:04 Liquid`Drone wrote: by what metric is he going to be more liberal than obama? more isolationist and protectionst are the only ones I can think of, and even those for entirely illiberal reasons. he's certainly far less liberal on all types of identity politics, abortion, taxation, crime, education, immigration, warfare. Health care I could conceivably see him shut down ACA for something more liberal based on things he has said in the past, but going by his webpage, he's not gonna try to implement single payer or whatever.. I can accept that conservatives would also be unhappy with him because he wouldn't be consistently anything, but I don't understand what Trump has said that makes you think he would be more liberal than Obama. Trump comes off as an idiot but he's absolutely brilliant. It shows time and time again not with the words he says, but with the results he gets and how he gets them. The man is fucking brilliant. His base absolutely loves a self identifying "dangerous faggot who completely loves black cock". They're clearly not serious about racism, sexism, and all that stupid crap the left keeps making an issue of. All the identity politics are fucking non-issues at this point in time. We have gay marriage, people really don't care what colour your fucking skin is, there's no more identity politics to push that's why this Trans thing feels so forced. We're talking about 0.04% of the population or some shit as if it's national news. It's not. If you're a man with a beard in a dress, you're not a national issue. The people that think this is a national issue are so out of tune with what is going on in the world. With abortion the issue is: "If it is against the law.. we punish people who break the law, correct? The law has to hold up". That's not an unreasonable issue. However, I really doubt he cares about that at all, abortion will stand. Taxation? Everyone keeps more of what they earn & smaller, smarter government. The government is extremely wasteful. There's countless examples to choose from but they aren't sexy so liberals don't pay attention. Former liberal here, guilty. Crime? He's right on crime. Let the police do their jobs. Bernie and Hillary are literally pandering to the black community and it makes no sense. "Stop overpolicing of black neighbourhoods". Ok, Chicago. Let's just let people murder each other. I've read all about police abuse and all about "overpolicing". The good black people in these neighbourhoods want the police, but they're afraid of so many different things with the police. A lot of witness intimidation etc goes on as well, and an outing of someone who's against the tribe. Just put yourself in the position of a gang infested neighbourhood. Pretend you yourself are there. Think, as the person you are, if there's a person shot every 2.5 hours in your city... do you want less police? Bernie & Hillary are the actual racists on this issue. http://heyjackass.com/ Education? I honestly don't know if he knows what he's talking about on common core, and this is an issue I'm ignorant of. I'm unsure if "the state should decide" is a good idea because maybe Texas will go gungho on creationism. Immigration? He's 100% correct on immigration. Warfare? No president is great on warfare, they all get briefed when they become president. I think he's fine on warfare. Healthcare? He's fine on. I was surprised to learn my black friends in the states HATE Obamacare. Really, really hate it. A lot. He's not lying about the "premiums" going up or w/e for them. I think that's probably on Republicans but Donald is not a Republican. Not the same type of "sell the country out" Republican you're used to. He's just a very intelligent businessman and he has destroyed the competition. Build wall, MAGA, deport illegals. "They're rapists." "Someone's doing the raping." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/central-america-migrants-rape_n_5806972.html | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
Double whammy of stupidity from conservative voters. Voting for somebody who is uniquely unqualified to be President based solely on demeanor and temperament, as well as voting for somebody who is overtly not Conservative. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9064 Posts
On May 09 2016 07:42 SK.Testie wrote: Trump comes off as an idiot but he's absolutely brilliant. It shows time and time again not with the words he says, but with the results he gets and how he gets them. The man is fucking brilliant. His base absolutely loves a self identifying "dangerous faggot who completely loves black cock". They're clearly not serious about racism, sexism, and all that stupid crap the left keeps making an issue of. All the identity politics are fucking non-issues at this point in time. We have gay marriage, people really don't care what colour your fucking skin is, there's no more identity politics to push that's why this Trans thing feels so forced. We're talking about 0.04% of the population or some shit as if it's national news. It's not. If you're a man with a beard in a dress, you're not a national issue. The people that think this is a national issue are so out of tune with what is going on in the world. With abortion the issue is: "If it is against the law.. we punish people who break the law, correct? The law has to hold up". That's not an unreasonable issue. However, I really doubt he cares about that at all, abortion will stand. Taxation? Everyone keeps more of what they earn & smaller, smarter government. The government is extremely wasteful. There's countless examples to choose from but they aren't sexy so liberals don't pay attention. Former liberal here, guilty. Crime? He's right on crime. Let the police do their jobs. Bernie and Hillary are literally pandering to the black community and it makes no sense. "Stop overpolicing of black neighbourhoods". Ok, Chicago. Let's just let people murder each other. I've read all about police abuse and all about "overpolicing". The good black people in these neighbourhoods want the police, but they're afraid of so many different things with the police. A lot of witness intimidation etc goes on as well, and an outing of someone who's against the tribe. Just put yourself in the position of a gang infested neighbourhood. Pretend you yourself are there. Think, as the person you are, if there's a person shot every 2.5 hours in your city... do you want less police? Bernie & Hillary are the actual racists on this issue. http://heyjackass.com/ Education? I honestly don't know if he knows what he's talking about on common core, and this is an issue I'm ignorant of. I'm unsure if "the state should decide" is a good idea because maybe Texas will go gungho on creationism. Immigration? He's 100% correct on immigration. Warfare? No president is great on warfare, they all get briefed when they become president. I think he's fine on warfare. Healthcare? He's fine on. I was surprised to learn my black friends in the states HATE Obamacare. Really, really hate it. A lot. He's not lying about the "premiums" going up or w/e for them. I think that's probably on Republicans but Donald is not a Republican. Not the same type of "sell the country out" Republican you're used to. He's just a very intelligent businessman and he has destroyed the competition. Build wall, MAGA, deport illegals. "They're rapists." "Someone's doing the raping." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/central-america-migrants-rape_n_5806972.html I've officially lost 10% of my brain cells reading this. | ||
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