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On May 09 2016 09:43 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 09:37 xDaunt wrote:On May 09 2016 09:00 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On May 09 2016 08:51 xDaunt wrote:On May 09 2016 08:17 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On May 09 2016 08:13 SK.Testie wrote:On May 09 2016 08:01 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On May 09 2016 07:42 SK.Testie wrote:On May 09 2016 05:04 Liquid`Drone wrote:On May 09 2016 04:10 Mohdoo wrote:
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Donald trump is a new york Democrat. There's no two ways about it. People do not change as much as he claims to have. Not someone as thoughtful and intelligent as him. He's a thinker. He's used these talents in terrible ways, but I still view Donald as a very intelligent, thoughtful person who really wanted to be president and knew how to do it. If he wins, his presidency will be more liberal than Obama. Guaranteed. by what metric is he going to be more liberal than obama? more isolationist and protectionst are the only ones I can think of, and even those for entirely illiberal reasons. he's certainly far less liberal on all types of identity politics, abortion, taxation, crime, education, immigration, warfare. Health care I could conceivably see him shut down ACA for something more liberal based on things he has said in the past, but going by his webpage, he's not gonna try to implement single payer or whatever.. I can accept that conservatives would also be unhappy with him because he wouldn't be consistently anything, but I don't understand what Trump has said that makes you think he would be more liberal than Obama. Trump comes off as an idiot but he's absolutely brilliant. It shows time and time again not with the words he says, but with the results he gets and how he gets them. The man is fucking brilliant. His base absolutely loves a self identifying "dangerous faggot who completely loves black cock". They're clearly not serious about racism, sexism, and all that stupid crap the left keeps making an issue of. All the identity politics are fucking non-issues at this point in time. We have gay marriage, people really don't care what colour your fucking skin is, there's no more identity politics to push that's why this Trans thing feels so forced. We're talking about 0.04% of the population or some shit as if it's national news. It's not. If you're a man with a beard in a dress, you're not a national issue. The people that think this is a national issue are so out of tune with what is going on in the world. With abortion the issue is: "If it is against the law.. we punish people who break the law, correct? The law has to hold up". That's not an unreasonable issue. However, I really doubt he cares about that at all, abortion will stand. Taxation? Everyone keeps more of what they earn & smaller, smarter government. The government is extremely wasteful. There's countless examples to choose from but they aren't sexy so liberals don't pay attention. Former liberal here, guilty. Crime? He's right on crime. Let the police do their jobs. Bernie and Hillary are literally pandering to the black community and it makes no sense. "Stop overpolicing of black neighbourhoods". Ok, Chicago. Let's just let people murder each other. I've read all about police abuse and all about "overpolicing". The good black people in these neighbourhoods want the police, but they're afraid of so many different things with the police. A lot of witness intimidation etc goes on as well, and an outing of someone who's against the tribe. Just put yourself in the position of a gang infested neighbourhood. Pretend you yourself are there. Think, as the person you are, if there's a person shot every 2.5 hours in your city... do you want less police? Bernie & Hillary are the actual racists on this issue. http://heyjackass.com/Education? I honestly don't know if he knows what he's talking about on common core, and this is an issue I'm ignorant of. I'm unsure if "the state should decide" is a good idea because maybe Texas will go gungho on creationism. Immigration? He's 100% correct on immigration. Warfare? No president is great on warfare, they all get briefed when they become president. I think he's fine on warfare. Healthcare? He's fine on. I was surprised to learn my black friends in the states HATE Obamacare. Really, really hate it. A lot. He's not lying about the "premiums" going up or w/e for them. I think that's probably on Republicans but Donald is not a Republican. Not the same type of "sell the country out" Republican you're used to. He's just a very intelligent businessman and he has destroyed the competition. Build wall, MAGA, deport illegals. "They're rapists." "Someone's doing the raping." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/central-america-migrants-rape_n_5806972.html I've officially lost 10% of my brain cells reading this. Great post, high quality. You really made a clear point. If the world were full of snappy people like you, hot topic would be the most popular store in the world. Trump has energized a base of people of all different creeds whom are uniting on one message. "we want our shitty manufacturing jobs back and we'll be glad to work them". He's made people excited about just having a job. That's pretty ideal. The entire media attacked him, and failed. It's glorious to watch. Trumps base is real and growing rapidly. You're excited to see a man whip crowds of people into mobs of pure hatred and bigotry? You're clamoring and championing for a man who wants to not only alienate most of the world, but also those that live here, with his xenophobia and outrageous vitriolic remarks? You're amused by and praying for, a person who will divide this nation worse than the Civil War and WW2 against Japanese Americans? You are right though. He has energized a base of people. A base of people that shows the world just how shitty America really is and that we really aren't leaders of the "free world." This shitty little narrative has no basis in reality. It's rather old and tiresome. World leaders are expressing concern over his remarks, particularly South Korea and Japan. There's also all of the people, foreign and domestic, who express that the state of US politics has become a circus and that as Trump moves further and further along the election process, the standing of the US is dwindling lower and lower. Also, when you're running for the highest political office of the nation, it would be best to have some kind of actual data and plan for foreign policy, unemployment, social services, infrastructure rehabilitation, trade policies, healthcare, and education. I've yet to read or hear anything that resembles a coherent and concrete idea from him that I can nod and think, "Okay, not bad Trump, not bad." They are expressing concern because Trump is openly threatening their national interests with his foreign policy and trade policy statements. or because they show a deep ignorance of the rest of the world's history and diplomatic situations.
No, I think Trump is sufficiently aware of what's going on. He simply finds the current situation unacceptable and wants to chart a different course.
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I'm surprised if anyone would be Paul Ryan anti trump I'd expect xDaunt to join me on that island.
Trump is a loser and has no chance in the fall. Any support for him now is a bad bet.
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On May 09 2016 10:08 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 09:43 zlefin wrote:On May 09 2016 09:37 xDaunt wrote:On May 09 2016 09:00 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On May 09 2016 08:51 xDaunt wrote:On May 09 2016 08:17 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On May 09 2016 08:13 SK.Testie wrote:On May 09 2016 08:01 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On May 09 2016 07:42 SK.Testie wrote:On May 09 2016 05:04 Liquid`Drone wrote:
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by what metric is he going to be more liberal than obama? more isolationist and protectionst are the only ones I can think of, and even those for entirely illiberal reasons. he's certainly far less liberal on all types of identity politics, abortion, taxation, crime, education, immigration, warfare. Health care I could conceivably see him shut down ACA for something more liberal based on things he has said in the past, but going by his webpage, he's not gonna try to implement single payer or whatever..
I can accept that conservatives would also be unhappy with him because he wouldn't be consistently anything, but I don't understand what Trump has said that makes you think he would be more liberal than Obama. Trump comes off as an idiot but he's absolutely brilliant. It shows time and time again not with the words he says, but with the results he gets and how he gets them. The man is fucking brilliant. His base absolutely loves a self identifying "dangerous faggot who completely loves black cock". They're clearly not serious about racism, sexism, and all that stupid crap the left keeps making an issue of. All the identity politics are fucking non-issues at this point in time. We have gay marriage, people really don't care what colour your fucking skin is, there's no more identity politics to push that's why this Trans thing feels so forced. We're talking about 0.04% of the population or some shit as if it's national news. It's not. If you're a man with a beard in a dress, you're not a national issue. The people that think this is a national issue are so out of tune with what is going on in the world. With abortion the issue is: "If it is against the law.. we punish people who break the law, correct? The law has to hold up". That's not an unreasonable issue. However, I really doubt he cares about that at all, abortion will stand. Taxation? Everyone keeps more of what they earn & smaller, smarter government. The government is extremely wasteful. There's countless examples to choose from but they aren't sexy so liberals don't pay attention. Former liberal here, guilty. Crime? He's right on crime. Let the police do their jobs. Bernie and Hillary are literally pandering to the black community and it makes no sense. "Stop overpolicing of black neighbourhoods". Ok, Chicago. Let's just let people murder each other. I've read all about police abuse and all about "overpolicing". The good black people in these neighbourhoods want the police, but they're afraid of so many different things with the police. A lot of witness intimidation etc goes on as well, and an outing of someone who's against the tribe. Just put yourself in the position of a gang infested neighbourhood. Pretend you yourself are there. Think, as the person you are, if there's a person shot every 2.5 hours in your city... do you want less police? Bernie & Hillary are the actual racists on this issue. http://heyjackass.com/Education? I honestly don't know if he knows what he's talking about on common core, and this is an issue I'm ignorant of. I'm unsure if "the state should decide" is a good idea because maybe Texas will go gungho on creationism. Immigration? He's 100% correct on immigration. Warfare? No president is great on warfare, they all get briefed when they become president. I think he's fine on warfare. Healthcare? He's fine on. I was surprised to learn my black friends in the states HATE Obamacare. Really, really hate it. A lot. He's not lying about the "premiums" going up or w/e for them. I think that's probably on Republicans but Donald is not a Republican. Not the same type of "sell the country out" Republican you're used to. He's just a very intelligent businessman and he has destroyed the competition. Build wall, MAGA, deport illegals. "They're rapists." "Someone's doing the raping." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/central-america-migrants-rape_n_5806972.html I've officially lost 10% of my brain cells reading this. Great post, high quality. You really made a clear point. If the world were full of snappy people like you, hot topic would be the most popular store in the world. Trump has energized a base of people of all different creeds whom are uniting on one message. "we want our shitty manufacturing jobs back and we'll be glad to work them". He's made people excited about just having a job. That's pretty ideal. The entire media attacked him, and failed. It's glorious to watch. Trumps base is real and growing rapidly. You're excited to see a man whip crowds of people into mobs of pure hatred and bigotry? You're clamoring and championing for a man who wants to not only alienate most of the world, but also those that live here, with his xenophobia and outrageous vitriolic remarks? You're amused by and praying for, a person who will divide this nation worse than the Civil War and WW2 against Japanese Americans? You are right though. He has energized a base of people. A base of people that shows the world just how shitty America really is and that we really aren't leaders of the "free world." This shitty little narrative has no basis in reality. It's rather old and tiresome. World leaders are expressing concern over his remarks, particularly South Korea and Japan. There's also all of the people, foreign and domestic, who express that the state of US politics has become a circus and that as Trump moves further and further along the election process, the standing of the US is dwindling lower and lower. Also, when you're running for the highest political office of the nation, it would be best to have some kind of actual data and plan for foreign policy, unemployment, social services, infrastructure rehabilitation, trade policies, healthcare, and education. I've yet to read or hear anything that resembles a coherent and concrete idea from him that I can nod and think, "Okay, not bad Trump, not bad." They are expressing concern because Trump is openly threatening their national interests with his foreign policy and trade policy statements. or because they show a deep ignorance of the rest of the world's history and diplomatic situations. No, I think Trump is sufficiently aware of what's going on. He simply finds the current situation unacceptable and wants to chart a different course.
Perhaps he is, but his statements did not show that. Based on the evidence of his statements, it shows a profound ignorance.
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On May 09 2016 10:18 Sermokala wrote:
I'm surprised if anyone would be Paul Ryan anti trump I'd expect xDaunt to join me on that island.
Trump is a loser and has no chance in the fall. Any support for him now is a bad bet.
I find Paul Ryan to be tremendously disappointing on multiple levels. We are talking about a guy who is supposed to be a policy wonk, yet he got schooled by Biden (of all people) in a debate. I'd rather roll the dice with Trump.
More to the point, I am incredibly disappointed with the hypocrisy of the GOP. They made Trump sign a pledge to support the eventual nominee of the party. But now that Trump is the nominee, they are not unequivocally supporting him like they should. How many times did the GOP tell its constituents to support and rally behind McCain and Romney, both of whom were highly questionable to the conservative base? Call me back old fashioned, but I believe in democracy and the rule of law. What the GOP is doing demonstrates outright contempt for the will of it constituents.
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On May 09 2016 10:29 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 10:08 xDaunt wrote:On May 09 2016 09:43 zlefin wrote:On May 09 2016 09:37 xDaunt wrote:On May 09 2016 09:00 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On May 09 2016 08:51 xDaunt wrote:On May 09 2016 08:17 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On May 09 2016 08:13 SK.Testie wrote:On May 09 2016 08:01 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On May 09 2016 07:42 SK.Testie wrote:[quote] Trump comes off as an idiot but he's absolutely brilliant. It shows time and time again not with the words he says, but with the results he gets and how he gets them. The man is fucking brilliant. His base absolutely loves a self identifying "dangerous faggot who completely loves black cock". They're clearly not serious about racism, sexism, and all that stupid crap the left keeps making an issue of. All the identity politics are fucking non-issues at this point in time. We have gay marriage, people really don't care what colour your fucking skin is, there's no more identity politics to push that's why this Trans thing feels so forced. We're talking about 0.04% of the population or some shit as if it's national news. It's not. If you're a man with a beard in a dress, you're not a national issue. The people that think this is a national issue are so out of tune with what is going on in the world. With abortion the issue is: "If it is against the law.. we punish people who break the law, correct? The law has to hold up". That's not an unreasonable issue. However, I really doubt he cares about that at all, abortion will stand. Taxation? Everyone keeps more of what they earn & smaller, smarter government. The government is extremely wasteful. There's countless examples to choose from but they aren't sexy so liberals don't pay attention. Former liberal here, guilty. Crime? He's right on crime. Let the police do their jobs. Bernie and Hillary are literally pandering to the black community and it makes no sense. "Stop overpolicing of black neighbourhoods". Ok, Chicago. Let's just let people murder each other. I've read all about police abuse and all about "overpolicing". The good black people in these neighbourhoods want the police, but they're afraid of so many different things with the police. A lot of witness intimidation etc goes on as well, and an outing of someone who's against the tribe. Just put yourself in the position of a gang infested neighbourhood. Pretend you yourself are there. Think, as the person you are, if there's a person shot every 2.5 hours in your city... do you want less police? Bernie & Hillary are the actual racists on this issue. http://heyjackass.com/Education? I honestly don't know if he knows what he's talking about on common core, and this is an issue I'm ignorant of. I'm unsure if "the state should decide" is a good idea because maybe Texas will go gungho on creationism. Immigration? He's 100% correct on immigration. Warfare? No president is great on warfare, they all get briefed when they become president. I think he's fine on warfare. Healthcare? He's fine on. I was surprised to learn my black friends in the states HATE Obamacare. Really, really hate it. A lot. He's not lying about the "premiums" going up or w/e for them. I think that's probably on Republicans but Donald is not a Republican. Not the same type of "sell the country out" Republican you're used to. He's just a very intelligent businessman and he has destroyed the competition. Build wall, MAGA, deport illegals. "They're rapists." "Someone's doing the raping." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/central-america-migrants-rape_n_5806972.html I've officially lost 10% of my brain cells reading this. Great post, high quality. You really made a clear point. If the world were full of snappy people like you, hot topic would be the most popular store in the world. Trump has energized a base of people of all different creeds whom are uniting on one message. "we want our shitty manufacturing jobs back and we'll be glad to work them". He's made people excited about just having a job. That's pretty ideal. The entire media attacked him, and failed. It's glorious to watch. Trumps base is real and growing rapidly. You're excited to see a man whip crowds of people into mobs of pure hatred and bigotry? You're clamoring and championing for a man who wants to not only alienate most of the world, but also those that live here, with his xenophobia and outrageous vitriolic remarks? You're amused by and praying for, a person who will divide this nation worse than the Civil War and WW2 against Japanese Americans? You are right though. He has energized a base of people. A base of people that shows the world just how shitty America really is and that we really aren't leaders of the "free world." This shitty little narrative has no basis in reality. It's rather old and tiresome. World leaders are expressing concern over his remarks, particularly South Korea and Japan. There's also all of the people, foreign and domestic, who express that the state of US politics has become a circus and that as Trump moves further and further along the election process, the standing of the US is dwindling lower and lower. Also, when you're running for the highest political office of the nation, it would be best to have some kind of actual data and plan for foreign policy, unemployment, social services, infrastructure rehabilitation, trade policies, healthcare, and education. I've yet to read or hear anything that resembles a coherent and concrete idea from him that I can nod and think, "Okay, not bad Trump, not bad." They are expressing concern because Trump is openly threatening their national interests with his foreign policy and trade policy statements. or because they show a deep ignorance of the rest of the world's history and diplomatic situations. No, I think Trump is sufficiently aware of what's going on. He simply finds the current situation unacceptable and wants to chart a different course. Perhaps he is, but his statements did not show that. Based on the evidence of his statements, it shows a profound ignorance.
Trump doesn't give a shit about including the details in his statements because he knows that they don't matter at this point. He isn't tailoring his message for the relative few who are sufficiently learned to understand policy nuance. His is a message for the masses.
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Only reason the dumb pledge was necessary was because of Trump's whining about being "treated fairly." And he was still hedging even after he signed it. Trump deserves no loyalty, and I assume most of the other 60% of GOP primary voters would agree. Paul Ryan isn't obliged to go along with every asinine comment Trump makes. Especially considering that his own district went against Trump like 2:1.
I have my own issues with Ryan, but his comments were 100% correct and appropriate. If Trump says he doesn't want certain people, then they are released to go elsewhere.
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On May 09 2016 09:58 SK.Testie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 08:59 GreenHorizons wrote: The good black people in these neighbourhoods want the police, but they're afraid of so many different things with the police. Like shooting them or their children when they call them for help. Ok, seriously. Please check the numbers on police shootings and wrongful deaths vs the deaths in Chicago alone. Please don't pretend there isn't something seriously wrong that liberals are absolutely ignoring and making it 'not ok' to talk about. Less police in a gang infested neighbourhood is a terrible idea. There is serious witness intimidation in these areas and threats towards good people that need help. The only help they will get is from the police because liberals pretend to care but do nothing. Which is a very common theme among them. "I care so much! But I'll let someone else do it". 90% of the Chicago police department is voting for Trump for a reason. They saw Bernies crowd and how they acted and they saw Trumps crowd and how they acted. So say there's 28 wrongful deaths of black men a year, vs how much violence they face actually. Again, heyjackass.com. This doesn't even include Baltimore, St. Louis, Detroit, and hundreds of smaller communities you liberals have heard nothing about. Bernies solution is pants on head retarded. There's police harassment that legit needs to be looked at like the cops who stopped the guy going to his job 278 times. Sadly that needs to be looked at on a micro case by case basis. When Bernie & Hillary tout the line of "systemic racism" they need to realize they are using the exact same mindset of actual racists. They are painting a large swath of people with a brush and discounting individuality. What the MSM covers are actual outliers. There's real deaths on the BLM movement that are horrible. Eric Garner being one of them. Gentle Giant wasn't one of them however. Not separating these two hurt their movement considerably. That and lighting fires and rioting and blocking traffic.
lol
This doesn't even include Baltimore, St. Louis, Detroit, and hundreds of smaller communities you liberals have heard nothing about.
I just thought this was especially funny.
Shouldn't take a movement in 2016 to get cops to do their jobs, or to stop killing innocent/mentally ill/non-violent people or to put them in prison when they do. People need to stop making excuses for cops and ask why they have contracts that prevent them from being drug tested when they kill people, or give them 48+ hours to come up with a story before they answer questions.
Every week there's an event, march, meeting, etc... on inner city community violence, that some folks only want to talk about it to distract from government henchmen harassing and murdering people, is a separate issue. It's painfully ironic that the loudest and proudest defenders of the constitution/against government intrusion are quick to point at violent areas as an excuse for violent over-policing, while ignoring systemic violations of entire communities civil and constitutional rights.
It makes the whole thing transparent, even if those folks still can't see it themselves.
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On May 09 2016 10:34 Introvert wrote:
Only reason the dumb pledge was necessary was because of Trump's whining about being "treated fairly." And he was still hedging even after he signed it. Trump deserves no loyalty, and I assume most of the other 60% of GOP primary voters would agree. Paul Ryan isn't obliged to go along with every asinine comment Trump makes. Especially considering that his own district went against Trump like 2:1.
I have my own issues with Ryan, but his comments were 100% correct and appropriate. If Trump says he doesn't want certain people, then they are released to go elsewhere.
Majorities of republican voters are supporting Trump and his message. If the GOP isn't going to support Trump, then they will be flaunting the will of their voters. I don't think that such action will end well for the GOP.
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On May 09 2016 10:32 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 10:29 zlefin wrote:On May 09 2016 10:08 xDaunt wrote:On May 09 2016 09:43 zlefin wrote:On May 09 2016 09:37 xDaunt wrote:On May 09 2016 09:00 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On May 09 2016 08:51 xDaunt wrote:On May 09 2016 08:17 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On May 09 2016 08:13 SK.Testie wrote:On May 09 2016 08:01 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
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I've officially lost 10% of my brain cells reading this. Great post, high quality. You really made a clear point. If the world were full of snappy people like you, hot topic would be the most popular store in the world. Trump has energized a base of people of all different creeds whom are uniting on one message. "we want our shitty manufacturing jobs back and we'll be glad to work them". He's made people excited about just having a job. That's pretty ideal. The entire media attacked him, and failed. It's glorious to watch. Trumps base is real and growing rapidly. You're excited to see a man whip crowds of people into mobs of pure hatred and bigotry? You're clamoring and championing for a man who wants to not only alienate most of the world, but also those that live here, with his xenophobia and outrageous vitriolic remarks? You're amused by and praying for, a person who will divide this nation worse than the Civil War and WW2 against Japanese Americans? You are right though. He has energized a base of people. A base of people that shows the world just how shitty America really is and that we really aren't leaders of the "free world." This shitty little narrative has no basis in reality. It's rather old and tiresome. World leaders are expressing concern over his remarks, particularly South Korea and Japan. There's also all of the people, foreign and domestic, who express that the state of US politics has become a circus and that as Trump moves further and further along the election process, the standing of the US is dwindling lower and lower. Also, when you're running for the highest political office of the nation, it would be best to have some kind of actual data and plan for foreign policy, unemployment, social services, infrastructure rehabilitation, trade policies, healthcare, and education. I've yet to read or hear anything that resembles a coherent and concrete idea from him that I can nod and think, "Okay, not bad Trump, not bad." They are expressing concern because Trump is openly threatening their national interests with his foreign policy and trade policy statements. or because they show a deep ignorance of the rest of the world's history and diplomatic situations. No, I think Trump is sufficiently aware of what's going on. He simply finds the current situation unacceptable and wants to chart a different course. Perhaps he is, but his statements did not show that. Based on the evidence of his statements, it shows a profound ignorance. Trump doesn't give a shit about including the details in his statements because he knows that they don't matter at this point. He isn't tailoring his message for the relative few who are sufficiently learned to understand policy nuance. His is a message for the masses.
Do you actually believe this bullshit, or is it just that you don't really have an excuse for the dumb shit he constantly fabricates?
Message for the masses. Right.
God i hope he wins. I'd love to see idiocracy come true.
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On May 09 2016 09:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 08:57 SK.Testie wrote:On May 09 2016 08:17 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On May 09 2016 08:13 SK.Testie wrote:On May 09 2016 08:01 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On May 09 2016 07:42 SK.Testie wrote:On May 09 2016 05:04 Liquid`Drone wrote:On May 09 2016 04:10 Mohdoo wrote:On May 09 2016 02:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Conspiracy theory: Trump will slowly force the GOP to become more moderate in areas than the Democrats are. Donald Trump, the presumptive GOP nominee, said Sunday that "people have to get more," after spending time on the campaign trail striking down the possibility of a minimum wage hike.
"I am looking at it, and I haven't decided in terms of numbers. But I think people have to get more," Trump said on ABC News' "This Week."
Trump has said that the wages were too high in the country, notably at a debate in November. Trump told ABC host George that it was a different opinion than previously expressed.
"Sure, it's a change. I'm allowed to change," he said. "But my real minimum wage is going to be — I'm going to bring companies back into this country, and they're going to make a lot more than the $15 even." Source Donald trump is a new york Democrat. There's no two ways about it. People do not change as much as he claims to have. Not someone as thoughtful and intelligent as him. He's a thinker. He's used these talents in terrible ways, but I still view Donald as a very intelligent, thoughtful person who really wanted to be president and knew how to do it. If he wins, his presidency will be more liberal than Obama. Guaranteed. by what metric is he going to be more liberal than obama? more isolationist and protectionst are the only ones I can think of, and even those for entirely illiberal reasons. he's certainly far less liberal on all types of identity politics, abortion, taxation, crime, education, immigration, warfare. Health care I could conceivably see him shut down ACA for something more liberal based on things he has said in the past, but going by his webpage, he's not gonna try to implement single payer or whatever.. I can accept that conservatives would also be unhappy with him because he wouldn't be consistently anything, but I don't understand what Trump has said that makes you think he would be more liberal than Obama. Trump comes off as an idiot but he's absolutely brilliant. It shows time and time again not with the words he says, but with the results he gets and how he gets them. The man is fucking brilliant. His base absolutely loves a self identifying "dangerous faggot who completely loves black cock". They're clearly not serious about racism, sexism, and all that stupid crap the left keeps making an issue of. All the identity politics are fucking non-issues at this point in time. We have gay marriage, people really don't care what colour your fucking skin is, there's no more identity politics to push that's why this Trans thing feels so forced. We're talking about 0.04% of the population or some shit as if it's national news. It's not. If you're a man with a beard in a dress, you're not a national issue. The people that think this is a national issue are so out of tune with what is going on in the world. With abortion the issue is: "If it is against the law.. we punish people who break the law, correct? The law has to hold up". That's not an unreasonable issue. However, I really doubt he cares about that at all, abortion will stand. Taxation? Everyone keeps more of what they earn & smaller, smarter government. The government is extremely wasteful. There's countless examples to choose from but they aren't sexy so liberals don't pay attention. Former liberal here, guilty. Crime? He's right on crime. Let the police do their jobs. Bernie and Hillary are literally pandering to the black community and it makes no sense. "Stop overpolicing of black neighbourhoods". Ok, Chicago. Let's just let people murder each other. I've read all about police abuse and all about "overpolicing". The good black people in these neighbourhoods want the police, but they're afraid of so many different things with the police. A lot of witness intimidation etc goes on as well, and an outing of someone who's against the tribe. Just put yourself in the position of a gang infested neighbourhood. Pretend you yourself are there. Think, as the person you are, if there's a person shot every 2.5 hours in your city... do you want less police? Bernie & Hillary are the actual racists on this issue. http://heyjackass.com/Education? I honestly don't know if he knows what he's talking about on common core, and this is an issue I'm ignorant of. I'm unsure if "the state should decide" is a good idea because maybe Texas will go gungho on creationism. Immigration? He's 100% correct on immigration. Warfare? No president is great on warfare, they all get briefed when they become president. I think he's fine on warfare. Healthcare? He's fine on. I was surprised to learn my black friends in the states HATE Obamacare. Really, really hate it. A lot. He's not lying about the "premiums" going up or w/e for them. I think that's probably on Republicans but Donald is not a Republican. Not the same type of "sell the country out" Republican you're used to. He's just a very intelligent businessman and he has destroyed the competition. Build wall, MAGA, deport illegals. "They're rapists." "Someone's doing the raping." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/central-america-migrants-rape_n_5806972.html I've officially lost 10% of my brain cells reading this. Great post, high quality. You really made a clear point. If the world were full of snappy people like you, hot topic would be the most popular store in the world. Trump has energized a base of people of all different creeds whom are uniting on one message. "we want our shitty manufacturing jobs back and we'll be glad to work them". He's made people excited about just having a job. That's pretty ideal. The entire media attacked him, and failed. It's glorious to watch. Trumps base is real and growing rapidly. You're excited to see a man whip crowds of people into mobs of pure hatred and bigotry? You're clamoring and championing for a man who wants to not only alienate most of the world, but also those that live here, with his xenophobia and outrageous vitriolic remarks? You're amused by and praying for, a person who will divide this nation worse than the Civil War and WW2 against Japanese Americans? You are right though. He has energized a base of people. A base of people that shows the world just how shitty America really is and that we really aren't leaders of the "free world." The only mobs we saw were Bernies crowd of "highly educated" voters. I've seen at least 3 ambulances blocked on video and massive irrational and immature behavior. Trumps crowds conduct themselves like good human beings with the exception of like 2 guys who punched some assholes who came to disrupt the events. You post this nonsense and want to pretend you're oh so mighty and intelligent? Get real. When you have two Muslim people escorted out of your rally for wearing stars as he has suggested, that's not really a good human being. When you have people openly hating any foreigner that isn't anglo-saxon, then that's not really being a good human being. Trump Rally Violence Becomes TrendI went through 5 pages of youtube videos to find one against Bernie Sanders but nothing besides the Chicago protests. EDIT: And no, I don't come off as "oh so might and intelligent." I'm giving you my thoughts on the matter.
People get escorted out because they're protesting at a rally. The video you posted is almost all people protesting against Trump except for the sucker punches Testie already mentioned.
On May 09 2016 09:25 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Arguing with Testie (or most Trump supporters) is ultimately pointless because the two parties are not talking about the same person. Even Trump supporters themselves are not talking about the same person a lot of the time. Even people that dislike Trump are often talking about different people in their discussions with one another.
Any time Trump says something or mentions a policy a Trump supporter likes, he's speaking from his heart.
Any time Trump says something they don't like or that doesn't fit with the Trump they've created in their mind, he's being tactical.
Every nonsense policy is a smokescreen. Unless they like it, in which case it's a sketch he'll fill in later. It's a pretty good way to run public relations.
This would apply just as much to Trump's detractors. If he says he wants to fix healthcare, it's pandering noise, yet the fabrication of him wanting to put people in camps gets eaten up.
There are actually ways we can differentiate policies, or things he says, independent of whether we like them or not. One is how much focus he gives to something. He spends almost no time talking about pro-life, he's an ex-Democrat and womanizer - on abortion, like many social issues, he doesn't actually care, and it's something he has no power to change. Gay marriage is another. He'll say something briefly to signal to voters that he shares their values, but it's not a focus of his at all.
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On May 09 2016 10:32 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 10:29 zlefin wrote:On May 09 2016 10:08 xDaunt wrote:On May 09 2016 09:43 zlefin wrote:On May 09 2016 09:37 xDaunt wrote:On May 09 2016 09:00 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On May 09 2016 08:51 xDaunt wrote:On May 09 2016 08:17 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On May 09 2016 08:13 SK.Testie wrote:On May 09 2016 08:01 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
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I've officially lost 10% of my brain cells reading this. Great post, high quality. You really made a clear point. If the world were full of snappy people like you, hot topic would be the most popular store in the world. Trump has energized a base of people of all different creeds whom are uniting on one message. "we want our shitty manufacturing jobs back and we'll be glad to work them". He's made people excited about just having a job. That's pretty ideal. The entire media attacked him, and failed. It's glorious to watch. Trumps base is real and growing rapidly. You're excited to see a man whip crowds of people into mobs of pure hatred and bigotry? You're clamoring and championing for a man who wants to not only alienate most of the world, but also those that live here, with his xenophobia and outrageous vitriolic remarks? You're amused by and praying for, a person who will divide this nation worse than the Civil War and WW2 against Japanese Americans? You are right though. He has energized a base of people. A base of people that shows the world just how shitty America really is and that we really aren't leaders of the "free world." This shitty little narrative has no basis in reality. It's rather old and tiresome. World leaders are expressing concern over his remarks, particularly South Korea and Japan. There's also all of the people, foreign and domestic, who express that the state of US politics has become a circus and that as Trump moves further and further along the election process, the standing of the US is dwindling lower and lower. Also, when you're running for the highest political office of the nation, it would be best to have some kind of actual data and plan for foreign policy, unemployment, social services, infrastructure rehabilitation, trade policies, healthcare, and education. I've yet to read or hear anything that resembles a coherent and concrete idea from him that I can nod and think, "Okay, not bad Trump, not bad." They are expressing concern because Trump is openly threatening their national interests with his foreign policy and trade policy statements. or because they show a deep ignorance of the rest of the world's history and diplomatic situations. No, I think Trump is sufficiently aware of what's going on. He simply finds the current situation unacceptable and wants to chart a different course. Perhaps he is, but his statements did not show that. Based on the evidence of his statements, it shows a profound ignorance. Trump doesn't give a shit about including the details in his statements because he knows that they don't matter at this point. He isn't tailoring his message for the relative few who are sufficiently learned to understand policy nuance. His is a message for the masses.
and that message is: when it comes time to make decisions, I'll need to actually learn a whole lot of stuff I don't know, because I don't know jack!
That he is tailoring it for the masses doesn't change that it shows a profound ignorance; and that it means he has an awful lot of catching up to do to have an acceptable knowledge base for the position.
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Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump has said he would consider stopping US oil purchases from Saudi Arabia and other Arab allies unless the Saudi government provide troops to fight Islamic State.
Trump made the comments in a lengthy foreign policy interview published by the New York Times on Saturday in response to a question about whether, if elected president, he would halt oil purchases from US allies unless they provided on-the-ground forces against Islamic State.
“The answer is, probably yes,” Trump said, according to a transcript.
Trump has said the US should be reimbursed by the countries it provides protection, even those with vast resources such as Saudi Arabia, a top oil exporter.
“We’re not being reimbursed for the kind of tremendous service that we’re performing by protecting various countries. Now Saudi Arabia’s one of them.”
“If Saudi Arabia was without the cloak of American protection, I don’t think it would be around,” he told the Times.
As part of a foreign policy he summed up as “America First”, Trump also said he would consider allowing Japan and South Korea to build their own nuclear arsenals rather than depend on the US for protection against North Korea and China.
The phone interview was the most in-depth discussion so far on foreign policy for Trump, who has spent his entire career in business.
Trump said he was not an isolationist, but described the United States as a poor debtor nation that disproportionately funds international alliances such as Nato and the United Nations.
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On May 09 2016 10:38 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 10:34 Introvert wrote:
Only reason the dumb pledge was necessary was because of Trump's whining about being "treated fairly." And he was still hedging even after he signed it. Trump deserves no loyalty, and I assume most of the other 60% of GOP primary voters would agree. Paul Ryan isn't obliged to go along with every asinine comment Trump makes. Especially considering that his own district went against Trump like 2:1.
I have my own issues with Ryan, but his comments were 100% correct and appropriate. If Trump says he doesn't want certain people, then they are released to go elsewhere. Majorities of republican voters are supporting Trump and his message. If the GOP isn't going to support Trump, then they will be flaunting the will of their voters. I don't think that such action will end well for the GOP.
Is it a majority? Last I heard, he's a bit under a majority actually supporting him numbers-wise; and almost at it delegate-wise.
There was no possible action for the GOP which would end well for them; it's why they've been screwed for months.
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On May 09 2016 10:38 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 10:34 Introvert wrote:
Only reason the dumb pledge was necessary was because of Trump's whining about being "treated fairly." And he was still hedging even after he signed it. Trump deserves no loyalty, and I assume most of the other 60% of GOP primary voters would agree. Paul Ryan isn't obliged to go along with every asinine comment Trump makes. Especially considering that his own district went against Trump like 2:1.
I have my own issues with Ryan, but his comments were 100% correct and appropriate. If Trump says he doesn't want certain people, then they are released to go elsewhere. Majorities of republican voters are supporting Trump and his message. If the GOP isn't going to support Trump, then they will be flaunting the will of their voters. I don't think that such action will end well for the GOP.
He didn't have a majority in a single state until New York, if memory serves. He has like 40% of the popular vote. He's deeply polarizing, and chances are, quite toxic. So imo they are smart to stay away. Remember he only got close because of the various front-runner biased state rules.
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On May 09 2016 10:51 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 10:38 xDaunt wrote:On May 09 2016 10:34 Introvert wrote:
Only reason the dumb pledge was necessary was because of Trump's whining about being "treated fairly." And he was still hedging even after he signed it. Trump deserves no loyalty, and I assume most of the other 60% of GOP primary voters would agree. Paul Ryan isn't obliged to go along with every asinine comment Trump makes. Especially considering that his own district went against Trump like 2:1.
I have my own issues with Ryan, but his comments were 100% correct and appropriate. If Trump says he doesn't want certain people, then they are released to go elsewhere. Majorities of republican voters are supporting Trump and his message. If the GOP isn't going to support Trump, then they will be flaunting the will of their voters. I don't think that such action will end well for the GOP. He didn't have a majority in a single state until New York, if memory serves. He has like 40% of the popular vote. He's deeply polarizing, and chances are, quite toxic. So imo they are smart to stay away. Remember he only got close because of the various front-runner biased state rules.
He hasn't a majority of the vote in the early states because he has been running against a large field. Once the field shrank down to four candidate, he was reliably scoring majorities in the states that he ran. So yes, I think that it is fair to say that a majority of republicans are supporting him now. They may not find him to be their perfect candidate (myself included), but they are going to back him as the best option nonetheless.
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On May 09 2016 05:04 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 04:10 Mohdoo wrote:On May 09 2016 02:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Conspiracy theory: Trump will slowly force the GOP to become more moderate in areas than the Democrats are. Donald Trump, the presumptive GOP nominee, said Sunday that "people have to get more," after spending time on the campaign trail striking down the possibility of a minimum wage hike.
"I am looking at it, and I haven't decided in terms of numbers. But I think people have to get more," Trump said on ABC News' "This Week."
Trump has said that the wages were too high in the country, notably at a debate in November. Trump told ABC host George that it was a different opinion than previously expressed.
"Sure, it's a change. I'm allowed to change," he said. "But my real minimum wage is going to be — I'm going to bring companies back into this country, and they're going to make a lot more than the $15 even." Source Donald trump is a new york Democrat. There's no two ways about it. People do not change as much as he claims to have. Not someone as thoughtful and intelligent as him. He's a thinker. He's used these talents in terrible ways, but I still view Donald as a very intelligent, thoughtful person who really wanted to be president and knew how to do it. If he wins, his presidency will be more liberal than Obama. Guaranteed. he's certainly far less liberal on all types of identity politics, abortion, taxation, crime, education, immigration, warfare. Health care I could conceivably see him shut down ACA for something more liberal based on things he has said in the past, but going by his webpage, he's not gonna try to implement single payer or whatever..
I'm still at the point where I don't believe it. His politics in the 90s never left, IMO. I think this is all a giant persona. I think he's a liberal democrat who wants to finally get the single payer system he advocated for in the 90s.
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On May 09 2016 10:39 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 10:32 xDaunt wrote:On May 09 2016 10:29 zlefin wrote:On May 09 2016 10:08 xDaunt wrote:On May 09 2016 09:43 zlefin wrote:On May 09 2016 09:37 xDaunt wrote:On May 09 2016 09:00 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On May 09 2016 08:51 xDaunt wrote:On May 09 2016 08:17 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On May 09 2016 08:13 SK.Testie wrote:
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Great post, high quality. You really made a clear point. If the world were full of snappy people like you, hot topic would be the most popular store in the world.
Trump has energized a base of people of all different creeds whom are uniting on one message. "we want our shitty manufacturing jobs back and we'll be glad to work them". He's made people excited about just having a job. That's pretty ideal. The entire media attacked him, and failed. It's glorious to watch.
Trumps base is real and growing rapidly. You're excited to see a man whip crowds of people into mobs of pure hatred and bigotry? You're clamoring and championing for a man who wants to not only alienate most of the world, but also those that live here, with his xenophobia and outrageous vitriolic remarks? You're amused by and praying for, a person who will divide this nation worse than the Civil War and WW2 against Japanese Americans? You are right though. He has energized a base of people. A base of people that shows the world just how shitty America really is and that we really aren't leaders of the "free world." This shitty little narrative has no basis in reality. It's rather old and tiresome. World leaders are expressing concern over his remarks, particularly South Korea and Japan. There's also all of the people, foreign and domestic, who express that the state of US politics has become a circus and that as Trump moves further and further along the election process, the standing of the US is dwindling lower and lower. Also, when you're running for the highest political office of the nation, it would be best to have some kind of actual data and plan for foreign policy, unemployment, social services, infrastructure rehabilitation, trade policies, healthcare, and education. I've yet to read or hear anything that resembles a coherent and concrete idea from him that I can nod and think, "Okay, not bad Trump, not bad." They are expressing concern because Trump is openly threatening their national interests with his foreign policy and trade policy statements. or because they show a deep ignorance of the rest of the world's history and diplomatic situations. No, I think Trump is sufficiently aware of what's going on. He simply finds the current situation unacceptable and wants to chart a different course. Perhaps he is, but his statements did not show that. Based on the evidence of his statements, it shows a profound ignorance. Trump doesn't give a shit about including the details in his statements because he knows that they don't matter at this point. He isn't tailoring his message for the relative few who are sufficiently learned to understand policy nuance. His is a message for the masses. Do you actually believe this bullshit, or is it just that you don't really have an excuse for the dumb shit he constantly fabricates? Message for the masses. Right. God i hope he wins. I'd love to see idiocracy come true.
You people are grossly misreading Trump if you truly think that he's an idiot. You don't do what he was done without some intellectual firepower at your disposal.
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On May 09 2016 11:05 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 10:39 m4ini wrote:On May 09 2016 10:32 xDaunt wrote:On May 09 2016 10:29 zlefin wrote:On May 09 2016 10:08 xDaunt wrote:On May 09 2016 09:43 zlefin wrote:On May 09 2016 09:37 xDaunt wrote:On May 09 2016 09:00 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On May 09 2016 08:51 xDaunt wrote:On May 09 2016 08:17 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
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You're excited to see a man whip crowds of people into mobs of pure hatred and bigotry? You're clamoring and championing for a man who wants to not only alienate most of the world, but also those that live here, with his xenophobia and outrageous vitriolic remarks? You're amused by and praying for, a person who will divide this nation worse than the Civil War and WW2 against Japanese Americans?
You are right though. He has energized a base of people. A base of people that shows the world just how shitty America really is and that we really aren't leaders of the "free world." This shitty little narrative has no basis in reality. It's rather old and tiresome. World leaders are expressing concern over his remarks, particularly South Korea and Japan. There's also all of the people, foreign and domestic, who express that the state of US politics has become a circus and that as Trump moves further and further along the election process, the standing of the US is dwindling lower and lower. Also, when you're running for the highest political office of the nation, it would be best to have some kind of actual data and plan for foreign policy, unemployment, social services, infrastructure rehabilitation, trade policies, healthcare, and education. I've yet to read or hear anything that resembles a coherent and concrete idea from him that I can nod and think, "Okay, not bad Trump, not bad." They are expressing concern because Trump is openly threatening their national interests with his foreign policy and trade policy statements. or because they show a deep ignorance of the rest of the world's history and diplomatic situations. No, I think Trump is sufficiently aware of what's going on. He simply finds the current situation unacceptable and wants to chart a different course. Perhaps he is, but his statements did not show that. Based on the evidence of his statements, it shows a profound ignorance. Trump doesn't give a shit about including the details in his statements because he knows that they don't matter at this point. He isn't tailoring his message for the relative few who are sufficiently learned to understand policy nuance. His is a message for the masses. Do you actually believe this bullshit, or is it just that you don't really have an excuse for the dumb shit he constantly fabricates? Message for the masses. Right. God i hope he wins. I'd love to see idiocracy come true. You people are grossly misreading Trump if you truly think that he's an idiot. You don't do what he was done without some intellectual firepower at your disposal.
I think people loath him so much that they aren't willing to believe he's doing all this as a mastermind. It is infuriating for people to imagine this all being the elaborate game that it is.
He's a guy who realized you can take a totally different route to being president and that he could take this route by exploiting and capitalizing on his strengths/situation. This is not just some random oops that happened. This was calculated perfectly from the beginning.
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On May 09 2016 11:07 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 11:05 xDaunt wrote:On May 09 2016 10:39 m4ini wrote:On May 09 2016 10:32 xDaunt wrote:On May 09 2016 10:29 zlefin wrote:On May 09 2016 10:08 xDaunt wrote:On May 09 2016 09:43 zlefin wrote:On May 09 2016 09:37 xDaunt wrote:On May 09 2016 09:00 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On May 09 2016 08:51 xDaunt wrote:
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This shitty little narrative has no basis in reality. It's rather old and tiresome.
World leaders are expressing concern over his remarks, particularly South Korea and Japan. There's also all of the people, foreign and domestic, who express that the state of US politics has become a circus and that as Trump moves further and further along the election process, the standing of the US is dwindling lower and lower. Also, when you're running for the highest political office of the nation, it would be best to have some kind of actual data and plan for foreign policy, unemployment, social services, infrastructure rehabilitation, trade policies, healthcare, and education. I've yet to read or hear anything that resembles a coherent and concrete idea from him that I can nod and think, "Okay, not bad Trump, not bad." They are expressing concern because Trump is openly threatening their national interests with his foreign policy and trade policy statements. or because they show a deep ignorance of the rest of the world's history and diplomatic situations. No, I think Trump is sufficiently aware of what's going on. He simply finds the current situation unacceptable and wants to chart a different course. Perhaps he is, but his statements did not show that. Based on the evidence of his statements, it shows a profound ignorance. Trump doesn't give a shit about including the details in his statements because he knows that they don't matter at this point. He isn't tailoring his message for the relative few who are sufficiently learned to understand policy nuance. His is a message for the masses. Do you actually believe this bullshit, or is it just that you don't really have an excuse for the dumb shit he constantly fabricates? Message for the masses. Right. God i hope he wins. I'd love to see idiocracy come true. You people are grossly misreading Trump if you truly think that he's an idiot. You don't do what he was done without some intellectual firepower at your disposal. I think people loath him so much that they aren't willing to believe he's doing all this as a mastermind. It is infuriating for people to imagine this all being the elaborate game that it is. He's a guy who realized you can take a totally different route to being president and that he could take this route by exploiting and capitalizing on his strengths/situation. This is not just some random oops that happened. This was calculated perfectly from the beginning.
Exactly. And once you come to this conclusion, you start seeing him and everything that he has done recently (especially the birther thing) from a new perspective.
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On May 09 2016 11:03 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 10:51 Introvert wrote:On May 09 2016 10:38 xDaunt wrote:On May 09 2016 10:34 Introvert wrote:
Only reason the dumb pledge was necessary was because of Trump's whining about being "treated fairly." And he was still hedging even after he signed it. Trump deserves no loyalty, and I assume most of the other 60% of GOP primary voters would agree. Paul Ryan isn't obliged to go along with every asinine comment Trump makes. Especially considering that his own district went against Trump like 2:1.
I have my own issues with Ryan, but his comments were 100% correct and appropriate. If Trump says he doesn't want certain people, then they are released to go elsewhere. Majorities of republican voters are supporting Trump and his message. If the GOP isn't going to support Trump, then they will be flaunting the will of their voters. I don't think that such action will end well for the GOP. He didn't have a majority in a single state until New York, if memory serves. He has like 40% of the popular vote. He's deeply polarizing, and chances are, quite toxic. So imo they are smart to stay away. Remember he only got close because of the various front-runner biased state rules. He hasn't a majority of the vote in the early states because he has been running against a large field. Once the field shrank down to four candidate, he was reliably scoring majorities in the states that he ran. So yes, I think that it is fair to say that a majority of republicans are supporting him now. They may not find him to be their perfect candidate (myself included), but they are going to back him as the best option nonetheless.
Since Cruz is also hated by a lot of republicans, and was his main opponent at that time; I don't think it says that.
It looks like many may've simply stayed home and not voted because their options were terrible.
So I'm unsure if a majority of republicans actually support him now. Is there national polling data; or some sort of direct indications that factor in all republicans?
and a snide remark: That he managed to do better than the national Republican party doesn't count for much, given how poorly the national Republican party is viewed/what it's done.
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