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Naracs_Duc
Profile Joined August 2015
746 Posts
April 29 2016 22:19 GMT
#74101
On April 30 2016 07:15 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
“We’re changing America,” Raul Labrador (R-Idaho) said with a laugh, in response to a question about Congress filling its days by renaming post offices and designating the bison as the national mammal.


What's our national reptile?


The bald eagle--depending how far back the evolutionary tree you're willing to go.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 29 2016 22:19 GMT
#74102
The Obama administration has warned the US will need to deal with a wave of “climate refugees” as the Arctic continues to warm, joining with the Canadian government to express alarm over how climate change is affecting indigenous communities.

Sally Jewell, US secretary of the interior, painted a stark picture of communities relocating and lives disrupted in her first official visit to Canada. The Arctic, which is warming at twice the rate of the global average, has just recorded its lowest recorded peak ice extent after what’s been called a “warm, crazy winter”.

“We will have climate refugees,” Jewell said. “We have to figure out how to deal with potentially relocating villages. There’s real tangible support we need to do from a government basis, working alongside indigenous communities as they make very difficult choices about what is right for them.

“We can’t turn this around. We can stem the increase in temperature, we can stem some of the effect, perhaps, if we act on climate. But the changes are under way and they are very rapid.”

The escalating Arctic temperatures, diminishing ice and rising sea levels are having consequences for humans as well as other animals such as polar bears and walruses. The ability to catch fish and travel – or even to hold the famed Iditarod dog sled race in Alaska – is at risk.

Jewell said the remote town of Kivalina in Alaska is “washing away”. The coastal town, located around 80 miles above the Arctic circle, has been visited by Barack Obama following warnings its 400-strong population will have to be moved due to thinning ice that exposes the town to crashing waves.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6342 Posts
April 29 2016 22:26 GMT
#74103
Flag was stolen from a Trump supporter btw. Really great message this is sending.

Pre-emptive retaliatory de-escalation action
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
April 29 2016 22:29 GMT
#74104
Not a good idea to rouse angry whitey this election cycle.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 29 2016 22:30 GMT
#74105
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
April 29 2016 22:37 GMT
#74106
On April 30 2016 07:26 zeo wrote:
Flag was stolen from a Trump supporter btw. Really great message this is sending.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlWdlJGFsA4

now i know how republicans feel when we post instances of republicans being racist.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-29 22:47:49
April 29 2016 22:47 GMT
#74107
In an apparent rejection of the basic principles of the U.S. economy, a new poll shows that most young people do not support capitalism.

The Harvard University survey, which polled young adults between ages 18 and 29, found that 51 percent of respondents do not support capitalism. Just 42 percent said they support it.

It isn't clear that the young people in the poll would prefer some alternative system, though. Just 33 percent said they supported socialism. The survey had a margin of error of 2.4 percentage points.

The results of the survey are difficult to interpret, pollsters noted. Capitalism can mean different things to different people, and the newest generation of voters is frustrated with the status quo, broadly speaking.

All the same, that a majority of respondents in Harvard University's survey of young adults said they do not support capitalism suggests that today's youngest voters are more focused on the flaws of free markets.

"The word 'capitalism' doesn't mean what it used to," said Zach Lustbader, a senior at Harvard involved in conducting the poll, which was published Monday. For those who grew up during the Cold War, capitalism meant freedom from the Soviet Union and other totalitarian regimes. For those who grew up more recently, capitalism has meant a financial crisis from which the global economy still hasn't completely recovered.

A subsequent survey that included people of all ages found that somewhat older Americans also are skeptical of capitalism. Only among respondents at least 50 years old was the majority in support of capitalism.

Although the results are startling, Harvard's questions accord with other recent research on how Americans think about capitalism and socialism. In 2011, for example, the Pew Research Center found that people ages 18 to 29 were frustrated with the free-market system.

In that survey, 46 percent had positive views of capitalism, and 47 percent had negative views — a broader question than what Harvard's pollsters asked, which was whether the respondent supported the system. With regard to socialism, by contrast, 49 percent of the young people in Pew's poll had positive views, and just 43 percent had negative views.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-29 22:49:34
April 29 2016 22:49 GMT
#74108
i'm (morbidly) fascinated by a sanders v trump election.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
April 29 2016 22:56 GMT
#74109
On April 30 2016 07:49 oneofthem wrote:
i'm (morbidly) fascinated by a sanders v trump election.


Trump vs Bernie would mean 2 separate countries.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
April 29 2016 23:06 GMT
#74110
On April 30 2016 07:56 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2016 07:49 oneofthem wrote:
i'm (morbidly) fascinated by a sanders v trump election.


Trump vs Bernie would mean 2 separate countries.

Well, at least stuff would change.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 29 2016 23:22 GMT
#74111
On Wednesday, at a “Millennial Town Hall” at Georgetown University, House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) fielded a tricky question from a young Republican.

What “reasons for optimism,” the student asked, could Ryan offer to conservative millennials disgusted by the leading GOP presidential candidates?

Ryan’s response was telling. He encouraged young people to ignore the “political personality,” and instead “Look at the ideas. Look at the platform that is being advanced.”

“We win ideas contests,” Ryan declared triumphantly.

With all due respect, Mr. Speaker: No, no you don’t.

At least not among millennials.

The GOP is poised to permanently lose a generation of voters, and not (only) because of its odious and uncommonly disliked presidential front-runner. New survey data suggest that young people have become increasingly averse to just about every plank in today’s creaky Republican Party platform.

By now it’s well known that young Americans are considerably more liberal than the Republican Party on most social issues, particularly gay rights. The GOP’s own 2012 election “autopsy,” which proposed ways to broaden the party’s base, emphasized that Republicans must change their “tone” on social issues that young people see “as the civil rights issues of our time.”

The latest youth poll from Harvard’s Institute of Politics, though, indicates that LGBT-related policies aren’t the only ones on which young people and Republican traditionalists part ways.

As their rabid support for Bernie Sanders might indicate, young people have also become much more supportive of big government and expanded social welfare programs.

Compared with responses from the past few years, today’s 18- to 29-year-olds are more likely to believe that “basic health insurance is a right for all people,” that “basic necessities, such as food and shelter, are a right that government should provide to those unable to afford them” and that “the government should spend more to reduce poverty.”

More broadly, other surveys have found that young people have more favorable views of socialism than of capitalism — the only age group for which this is true.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
April 29 2016 23:55 GMT
#74112
Pretty funny seeing at least one Bernie supporter declaring they'd support Trump over Hillary. It's basically an indication you don't actually care much about policy issues (or, possibly, that you're ignorant on the subject).

Also, although he can - and should - obviously be opposed on plenty of other levels, including his absolutely terrible policy proposals, his laughable (and outright embarrassing) ignorance of the issues, and his wildly contradictory claims and positions, Trump has also clearly displayed xenophobia/racism and sexism. Saying that it's more important to criticize him on policy is one thing, but let's not pretend he hasn't made plenty of bigoted statements.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
April 29 2016 23:55 GMT
#74113
On April 30 2016 08:22 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On Wednesday, at a “Millennial Town Hall” at Georgetown University, House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) fielded a tricky question from a young Republican.

What “reasons for optimism,” the student asked, could Ryan offer to conservative millennials disgusted by the leading GOP presidential candidates?

Ryan’s response was telling. He encouraged young people to ignore the “political personality,” and instead “Look at the ideas. Look at the platform that is being advanced.”

“We win ideas contests,” Ryan declared triumphantly.

With all due respect, Mr. Speaker: No, no you don’t.

At least not among millennials.

The GOP is poised to permanently lose a generation of voters, and not (only) because of its odious and uncommonly disliked presidential front-runner. New survey data suggest that young people have become increasingly averse to just about every plank in today’s creaky Republican Party platform.

By now it’s well known that young Americans are considerably more liberal than the Republican Party on most social issues, particularly gay rights. The GOP’s own 2012 election “autopsy,” which proposed ways to broaden the party’s base, emphasized that Republicans must change their “tone” on social issues that young people see “as the civil rights issues of our time.”

The latest youth poll from Harvard’s Institute of Politics, though, indicates that LGBT-related policies aren’t the only ones on which young people and Republican traditionalists part ways.

As their rabid support for Bernie Sanders might indicate, young people have also become much more supportive of big government and expanded social welfare programs.

Compared with responses from the past few years, today’s 18- to 29-year-olds are more likely to believe that “basic health insurance is a right for all people,” that “basic necessities, such as food and shelter, are a right that government should provide to those unable to afford them” and that “the government should spend more to reduce poverty.”

More broadly, other surveys have found that young people have more favorable views of socialism than of capitalism — the only age group for which this is true.


Source


I've always despised fans of big government when looking at latin america and its consequences which are painfully obvious.The fact that young Americans are turning on that path makes me feel particularly uneasy.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-30 00:05:17
April 30 2016 00:05 GMT
#74114
On April 30 2016 07:26 zeo wrote:
Flag was stolen from a Trump supporter btw. Really great message this is sending.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlWdlJGFsA4

I hate that kind of stupid behavior.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4222 Posts
April 30 2016 00:24 GMT
#74115
On April 30 2016 08:55 kwizach wrote:
Pretty funny seeing at least one Bernie supporter declaring they'd support Trump over Hillary. It's basically an indication you don't actually care much about policy issues (or, possibly, that you're ignorant on the subject).

Also, although he can - and should - obviously be opposed on plenty of other levels, including his absolutely terrible policy proposals, his laughable (and outright embarrassing) ignorance of the issues, and his wildly contradictory claims and positions, Trump has also clearly displayed xenophobia/racism and sexism. Saying that it's more important to criticize him on policy is one thing, but let's not pretend he hasn't made plenty of bigoted statements.

Why is it funny? I can somewhat understand why they would prefer Trump over Hillary.

Think about it from a different point of view. For decades, whether the government was democratic or republican, they were bankrolled by the 1%. Running for office is expensive, and costs a lot of money. That money doesn't come from the average person, it comes from people donating thousands or even millions of dollars to support the candidate of their choice. Small chunks of money have never made a dent in that.

Suddenly we have not just 1 outsider, but 2 of them. One is Bernie. His campaign is anti-establishment, since his money is coming in small chunks from average people. He is campaigning for issues that affect the 99%. In my view, his views are somewhat terrifying (mainly the thought of A-who is going to pay for everything you want, and B-how are you going to prevent them from just picking up their bags and move to another country), but the USA as a whole is so far to the right that I think a bump to the left would help it immensely. Out of the candidates left in the running, he is the one I would vote for if I lived in the USA.

The other anti-establishment candidate is Trump. It seems pretty clear to me that he doesn't care for the "politics". His views are also terrifying, but in a different way. It is quite clear that he can't be bought by the 1%, because he is in that 1%. That is an endearing quality, however, he is grossly politically incorrect, homophobic, and xenophobic, and I fear that if he made it into office, he would be very self-serving..... If he was simply a typical republican candidate that couldn't be bought, I think he could actually accomplish a lot to help close tax loopholes and reduce corporate welfare, as well as make reforms in trade, copyrights and patents, etc. There is a lot of good he could do if there was any way to ensure he wouldn't be only acting in his own best interest, and not the best interest of the country as a whole.....
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
April 30 2016 00:28 GMT
#74116
On April 30 2016 09:05 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2016 07:26 zeo wrote:
Flag was stolen from a Trump supporter btw. Really great message this is sending.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlWdlJGFsA4

I hate that kind of stupid behavior.


And I mean...He's running for president. He's not president. These kids are so stupid. Obama is the president, not Trump.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6267 Posts
April 30 2016 00:29 GMT
#74117
On April 30 2016 08:55 kwizach wrote:
Pretty funny seeing at least one Bernie supporter declaring they'd support Trump over Hillary. It's basically an indication you don't actually care much about policy issues (or, possibly, that you're ignorant on the subject).

Also, although he can - and should - obviously be opposed on plenty of other levels, including his absolutely terrible policy proposals, his laughable (and outright embarrassing) ignorance of the issues, and his wildly contradictory claims and positions, Trump has also clearly displayed xenophobia/racism and sexism. Saying that it's more important to criticize him on policy is one thing, but let's not pretend he hasn't made plenty of bigoted statements.

Suppose for a second that any of the accusations of racism, sexism, or whatever unspecified bigotry were true - can you explain why a voter would be supposed to care?
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
April 30 2016 00:36 GMT
#74118
On April 30 2016 09:28 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2016 09:05 WhiteDog wrote:
On April 30 2016 07:26 zeo wrote:
Flag was stolen from a Trump supporter btw. Really great message this is sending.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlWdlJGFsA4

I hate that kind of stupid behavior.


And I mean...He's running for president. He's not president. These kids are so stupid. Obama is the president, not Trump.

And the flag does not represent the president, but the nation, which they are part of ... Stupid ass kids.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
April 30 2016 00:38 GMT
#74119
On April 30 2016 08:55 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2016 08:22 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On Wednesday, at a “Millennial Town Hall” at Georgetown University, House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) fielded a tricky question from a young Republican.

What “reasons for optimism,” the student asked, could Ryan offer to conservative millennials disgusted by the leading GOP presidential candidates?

Ryan’s response was telling. He encouraged young people to ignore the “political personality,” and instead “Look at the ideas. Look at the platform that is being advanced.”

“We win ideas contests,” Ryan declared triumphantly.

With all due respect, Mr. Speaker: No, no you don’t.

At least not among millennials.

The GOP is poised to permanently lose a generation of voters, and not (only) because of its odious and uncommonly disliked presidential front-runner. New survey data suggest that young people have become increasingly averse to just about every plank in today’s creaky Republican Party platform.

By now it’s well known that young Americans are considerably more liberal than the Republican Party on most social issues, particularly gay rights. The GOP’s own 2012 election “autopsy,” which proposed ways to broaden the party’s base, emphasized that Republicans must change their “tone” on social issues that young people see “as the civil rights issues of our time.”

The latest youth poll from Harvard’s Institute of Politics, though, indicates that LGBT-related policies aren’t the only ones on which young people and Republican traditionalists part ways.

As their rabid support for Bernie Sanders might indicate, young people have also become much more supportive of big government and expanded social welfare programs.

Compared with responses from the past few years, today’s 18- to 29-year-olds are more likely to believe that “basic health insurance is a right for all people,” that “basic necessities, such as food and shelter, are a right that government should provide to those unable to afford them” and that “the government should spend more to reduce poverty.”

More broadly, other surveys have found that young people have more favorable views of socialism than of capitalism — the only age group for which this is true.


Source


I've always despised fans of big government when looking at latin america and its consequences which are painfully obvious.The fact that young Americans are turning on that path makes me feel particularly uneasy.


big government can work fine, it can also fail hard. But in some parts of Europe it's going quite decently (scandinavia).
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-30 00:54:43
April 30 2016 00:52 GMT
#74120
Big government's success is directly related to competence, which is much easier to maintain when countries are small (but also much easier to fuck up). Small government on the other hand just means you are going to be very very average. For a huge country like US both kind of work out the same, pretty average, which is also to be expected when you account for population.
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