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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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KwarK
United States43733 Posts
On February 17 2016 03:51 Jelissei wrote: Is this comedy or real? If real, how do people want to vote for him? Can someone please defend him, so I get an impression on the reason to support him. https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/10153515169421939/ ErectedZenith is our resident pro-Trump poster. He repeats Trump lies and then doubles down when they're shown to be untrue. You can try arguing with him if you like but you'll get a better response from a brick wall. Trump supporters are impressionable people who have selected a very poor role model. The more the dancing monkey they cheer for throws its shit the more they lose track of why humans don't do that. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On February 17 2016 03:58 Mohdoo wrote: I'll add this to my Trump presidency fantasy. Unemployment at 0.4%, Chinese economy in the toilet after losing 100% of their production facilities to the US, Putin is the governor of Reaganland, formerly Russia, now a US state, 30 foot wall across the entire Mexican border. The White House will have Trump in 20 foot tall gold letters across the portico. And we'll add Trump's noble visage to Mt Rushmore (which will also be renamed Mt Trumpmore) | ||
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oBlade
United States5956 Posts
On February 17 2016 03:51 Jelissei wrote: Is this comedy or real? If real, how do people want to vote for him? Can someone please defend him, so I get an impression on the reason to support him. https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/10153515169421939/ People want to vote for him because he's a powerful old guy in a suit who is famous for a history of going into rooms with other people, some wearing suits and some not, and listening and telling them what to do (with successful outcomes), which is basically the job of the President. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On February 17 2016 03:56 Seuss wrote: The GOP has been ignoring the working class portion of their base for so long that it's now in revolt, and Trump has tapped into that. It doesn't matter that there's no way he'll actually get that wall built, he's pandering to his base and doing it brilliantly. Why do you think that he won't get the wall built? It will be really easy. If he gets elected, he will very clearly have a mandate to build the wall and Congress won't oppose funding it. He then will turn around and have Congress slap the "Donald Trump Memorial Wall Tariff" on Mexican imports (he may do this with the initial wall construction bill or whatever he needs from Congress) and say that he fulfilled his promise to have Mexico pay for the wall. EZPZ. | ||
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KwarK
United States43733 Posts
On February 17 2016 04:09 xDaunt wrote: Why do you think that he won't get the wall built? It will be really easy. If he gets elected, he will very clearly have a mandate to build the wall and Congress won't oppose funding it. He then will turn around and have Congress slap the "Donald Trump Memorial Wall Tariff" on Mexican imports (he may do this with the initial wall construction bill or whatever he needs from Congress) and say that he fulfilled his promise to have Mexico pay for the wall. EZPZ. I'm pretty sure that it would not only violate several trade agreements with Mexico but also just result in them creating counter sanctions. Furthermore I suspect a large amount of imports from Mexico are owned by American companies who outsourced to Mexico, it wouldn't really be Mexico paying in any real sense. Of course he won't actually get elected, the campaign is still a joke, just one that's worn out its welcome. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
One thing that caught my eye was n. 167, Susan Webber who was a former associate at Goldman Sachs. An associate is the entry level position for undergrads and is the bottom of the totem pole where you work like 80 hours a week (she wasn't even in investment banking, what a noob). That made me just a little skeptical. Upon further research I found her resume which is pretty decent (McKinsey is much more impressive tbh), but I wouldn't exactly call her a world-class economist though she's a very successful business woman. Based on this analysis I found on Reddit not so great. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On February 17 2016 04:12 KwarK wrote: I'm pretty sure that it would not only violate several trade agreements with Mexico but also just result in them creating counter sanctions. Furthermore I suspect a large amount of imports from Mexico are owned by American companies who outsourced to Mexico, it wouldn't really be Mexico paying in any real sense. Of course he won't actually get elected, the campaign is still a joke, just one that's worn out its welcome. You do realize that both Sanders and Trump are running on at least somewhat protectionist platforms, right? What that tells me is that there is a bipartisan demand for the US to discontinue some of its free trade policies. In other words, I don't think that as many people as you think will care if Mexico puts up some counter sanctions. And the reality is that the rest of the world needs access to our market more than we need theirs. Trump certainly understands this, which is why he is posturing the way that he has. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On February 17 2016 04:09 xDaunt wrote: Why do you think that he won't get the wall built? It will be really easy. If he gets elected, he will very clearly have a mandate to build the wall and Congress won't oppose funding it. He then will turn around and have Congress slap the "Donald Trump Memorial Wall Tariff" on Mexican imports (he may do this with the initial wall construction bill or whatever he needs from Congress) and say that he fulfilled his promise to have Mexico pay for the wall. EZPZ. Well at the moment Trump's selling the idea that Mexico will pony up the cash directly because he's such a great deal maker. That's not going to happen. The tariff workaround is probably feasible and a political victory if it doesn't strangle trade with Mexico or have other consequences, so I'll give you that. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 17 2016 04:00 Plansix wrote: He has yet to promise giant robots or to make Anime real, but that should be soon. he's clearly missing out on votes! Taiwan’s president-elect Tsai Ing-wen appears as cute moe anime girl in awesome campaign videos[...] + Show Spoiler [pic] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hh2SI2Q.png) Little sister anime star grows up, becomes spokesmodel for Japan’s teen voter education campaign[...] + Show Spoiler [twitter] + https://twitter.com/yktkrmy/status/697061372165632001 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/TtKNuHk.jpg) time to move to taiwan | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
taiwan number 1 | ||
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KwarK
United States43733 Posts
On February 17 2016 04:16 xDaunt wrote: You do realize that both Sanders and Trump are running on at least somewhat protectionist platforms, right? What that tells me is that there is a bipartisan demand for the US to discontinue some of its free trade policies. In other words, I don't think that as many people as you think will care if Mexico puts up some counter sanctions. And the reality is that the rest of the world needs access to our market more than we need theirs. Trump certainly understands this, which is why he is posturing the way that he has. I'm certainly not a fan of Sanders' protectionism and I don't think a large block of democratic supporters are. As a rule I'm against government intervention in the markets and while I have a number of exceptions (some I most likely share with you like national defence, others we probably disagree on such as healthcare) I think there is a slippery slope from protectionism to economic isolationism and stagnation. If a job is not a good use of the labour of an American then that's a good thing, pay someone else to do it and put the American's labour to use elsewhere. The government should act to mitigate the impacts of dying industries with retraining, relocation and business development grants in areas that got fucked but they should not be propping up industries that the free market would not (unless there is a large external good like, for example, clean energy R&D). I also think we're only a generation or so from a robotic economic revolution. At some point the working week of the average American will have to go down. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
The Associated Press reported that Guevara said the doctor told her that Scalia had a history of high blood pressure, heart trouble and was considered too weak to undergo shoulder surgery following a recent injury. Guevara told ABC News that the death certificate will say that he died of natural causes with myocardial infarction, better known as a heart attack, being a contributing factor. link | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Chelsea Clinton said Senator Bernie Sanders’ proposal to end mass incarceration in the US is "worrying" and insinuated that her mother’s rival does not understand what is “possible” to achieve in Government. Speaking to a packed town hall in Cleveland, Ohio, Chelsea Clinton took the opportunity to denounce Senator Sanders’ proposed criminal justice reforms when she was asked about her mother’s “vagaries” towards African American policy. She replied that Senator Sanders advocated the end of mass incarceration, aiming for the US to no longer be the country with the highest number of people in jail by the end of his first term in 2020 - but his plan "worried" her. The US currently has 2.2 million people behind bars, 600,000 more people than China. Chelsea Clinton said the goal was not achievable, however, as the majority of inmates are held at state, not federal, prisons. “We are not electing a king, we are electing a president,” insisted Ms Clinton. “We need someone who understands what they have to do in the job [as president] but also in partnership with congress, governors and mayors.” “My mother understands how the government works,” she added. Her comments come amid a growing perception that Hillary Clinton's policies are too moderate while Bernie Sanders' proposals might be more pie-in-the-sky. Source | ||
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Jelissei
193 Posts
On February 17 2016 03:56 Seuss wrote: The GOP has been ignoring the working class portion of their base for so long that it's now in revolt, and Trump has tapped into that. It doesn't matter that there's no way he'll actually get that wall built, he's pandering to his base and doing it brilliantly. I don't even care about the wall. You can actually think that taxing Mexican products enough to pay for the wall and to make jobs in the US is an legitimate policy (I don't). But how can you take someone serious that takes nothing and no one serious? I want to hear that from a person who actually would rally for him. No excuses like "they're just angry". | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23743 Posts
Prisons (state and federal) regularly violate people's constitutional rights. Just by investigating them, several could be shut down or required to reduce their populations along with reforms. Taking cannabis out of the criminal realm would also dramatically reduce arrests which are disproportionately of black people, who not so coincidentally make up a disproportionate number of those in prison. More reforms of policing would also significantly reduce arrests and obviously people in prison. Further, by turning substance abuse into something that needs treatment rather than incarceration we further reduce our prison population. That's just a short list of several ways one could reduce the populations of state prisons from the presidency. Chelsea isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer but I don't blame her too much, they have obviously put her out there to say things she doesn't understand. She is certainly no Ivanka Trump. | ||
Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On February 17 2016 04:43 Jelissei wrote: I don't even care about the wall. You can actually think that taxing Mexican products enough to pay for the wall and to make jobs in the US is an legitimate policy (I don't). But how can you take someone serious that takes nothing and no one serious? I want to hear that from a person who actually would rally for him. No excuses like "they're just angry". The Republican Party has made an environment where facts don't actually matter and the winner is whoever is the best demagogue. Trump has the most experience in being a shameless attention whore among all the current candidates. | ||
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Deathstar
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PPP's new South Carolina poll continues to find Donald Trump with a wide lead in the state. He's at 35% to 18% each for Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, 10% for John Kasich, and 7% each for Jeb Bush and Ben Carson. -By an 80/9 spread, Trump voters support his proposed ban on Muslims entering the United States. In fact 31% would support a ban on homosexuals entering the United States as well, something no more than 17% of anyone else’s voters think is a good idea. There’s also 62/23 support among Trump voters for creating a national database of Muslims and 40/36 support for shutting down all the mosques in the United States, something no one else’s voters back. Only 44% of Trump voters think the practice of Islam should even be legal at all in the United States, to 33% who think it should be illegal. To put all the views toward Muslims in context though, 32% of Trump voters continue to believe the policy of Japanese internment during World War II was a good one, compared to only 33% who oppose it and 35% who have no opinion one way or another. What's interesting are the questions afterwards. ![[image loading]](http://cdn.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/16113545/SCpollSG1large-816x281.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://cdn.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/16113903/SCsurveylarge2-816x434.jpg) http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/02/trump-clinton-still-have-big-sc-leads.html | ||
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