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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10698 Posts
February 01 2016 09:58 GMT
#56281
Shooting someone because hes running around with a Baseballbat while bystanders are around seems like the most "Hollywood" way of acting imaginable to me.
"Normal" logic would probably be to not shoot when there is a chance to hurt innocent bystanders.
silynxer
Profile Joined April 2006
Germany439 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-01 10:17:12
February 01 2016 10:16 GMT
#56282
On February 01 2016 16:43 Ghostcom wrote:
What is your point silynxer? I'm trying very hard to see it, but I simply don't. I have not once talked about whether or not the officer in my opinion was correct in shooting, nor about shooting that many times - I wouldn't presume to know. I'm not absolving the officer of responsibility for either death. I'm even unsure what idelogical line you think it is that I'm pushing?

Trigger happy has two related meanings, shooting many times or being fast to shoot (i.e. without assessing the situation). Both are directly related to killing bystanders. When you write
Apparently she was killed by a bullet that passed through the alleged assailant - which makes it sheer bad luck and could potentially have happened even if the officer had only fired a single shot.

you effectively argue that being trigger happy is actually not related to killing bystanders (if you hit your target first). Now, of course we don't know whether he was in fact trigger happy but that a bystander died in such a confrontation is, while not a conclusive proof in the legal sense, a pretty good indication that that might have been the case. Regardless of whether the bullet passed through the alleged assailant first or not. Your use of "sheer bad luck", as if nothing can be done about shooting bystanders in this way, is indicative of what you believe to be an acceptable action. If I am misunderstanding you in any way then my bad and feel free to correct me.
About the ideological lines: I have seen you call people out multiple times in a similar way for shoddy arguing, which is fine. However, you only criticise (as far as I have seen) certain posters about certain topics in this way and ideological lines are a pretty good predictor about what you will argue. This makes claims to dispassionate objectivity seem a bit spurious even if you do your best in the actual argument.

@WolfintheSheep: I have written in the Euro thread about this before, if you are interested look it up.
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-01 13:35:13
February 01 2016 11:12 GMT
#56283
You are misunderstanding me, but I can understand why. I have no idea about what transpired and as such I'm not in any position to pass judgement on whether or not it was correct or legal for the officer to shoot, nor whether or not it was prudent to fire 6 shots. When I say it is sheer bad luck I intended to convey that she wasn't shot because the officer shot wildly around him. I still do not intend to pass judgement on whether or not it was appropriate to shoot, because I don't know. If he was 0.2 seconds from having his skull bashed in with a bat it probably would be prudent, if not then it probably wasn't. Until we know the situation her death is hardly an indication of anything - it's really in a state much like Schrödingers cat and until we look in the box drawing conclusions is dangerous.
I tend to correct people who have a loose relationship with facts. That certain posters are more likely to do this than others is really not my responsibility. Further, other posters are already being challenged by other posters here, so when they manipulate facts it is often called out hours before I get the chance - I think who I end up calling out has more to do with timing of posting/reading TL than any actual bias, although I obviously can't say myself free of any bias.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 01 2016 11:56 GMT
#56284
dat stopping power tho
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 01 2016 13:40 GMT
#56285
oh boy, it's Caucus Day y'all

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I watched a video about what the caucus process is all about, and it seems a bit of a cluster to me, tbh. Interesting for sure, but damn is it a process.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 01 2016 13:57 GMT
#56286
One month down, two to go.

For unemployed adults in 22 states, that's how long they can count on help with the grocery bills: Starting this January, they have three months to find a job or lose their food assistance.

SNAP benefits — formerly known as food stamps — have been tied to employment for two decades. Unless they are caring for children or unable to work, adults need to have a job to receive more than three months of benefits.

But after the recession began, that three-month cap was waived in many areas, as state and federal governments acknowledged that jobs were hard to come by.

Now, as the economy is improving, the time limits are being reimposed — by federal policy in some areas, by state legislators in others.

For 22 states, the time limit returned in some or all of the state at the beginning of this year. It's the largest reinstatement of the three-month cap since the recession, The Associated Press reports.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-01 15:06:40
February 01 2016 14:36 GMT
#56287
On February 01 2016 22:40 jcarlsoniv wrote:
oh boy, it's Caucus Day y'all

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[image loading]


I watched a video about what the caucus process is all about, and it seems a bit of a cluster to me, tbh. Interesting for sure, but damn is it a process.


it's like the season premier of election season: the tv show

i'll predict a narrow victory for clinton and cruz for now, with a repeat of the fiasco on the republican side where cruz wins narrowly but they do a recount and find out trump actually wins iowa by a dozen votes and flip flops from "oh he barely won" to "the good people of iowa have picked me over cruz and a win is a win".
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 01 2016 17:10 GMT
#56288
I am interested to see how the Trump supporters deal with interacting with the political process. Specifically in Iowa’s town meeting style. I bet there are some funny stories by tomorrow.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21665 Posts
February 01 2016 17:39 GMT
#56289
On February 02 2016 02:10 Plansix wrote:
I am interested to see how the Trump supporters deal with interacting with the political process. Specifically in Iowa’s town meeting style. I bet there are some funny stories by tomorrow.

Oh boy :p yeah

Mostly this is a test for Trump if his voters actually turn up. He doesn't need to win against Cruz here but he needs to show numbers.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
February 01 2016 17:41 GMT
#56290
Republican caucus is so much simpler than Democratic caucus. For the Republican caucus you just need to write the candidate's name on a piece of paper but the Democratic one drags on and people want to stand on specific corners and do some other stuff? Don't know how this came about.
rip passion
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
February 01 2016 17:49 GMT
#56291
He also needs Rubio to have a bad day. If Rubio's poll surge translates to numbers then the establishment is very likely to throw their support behind him as the Anti-Trump.

But then the establishment has been incredibly hesitant to do anything at this point so maybe not.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
February 01 2016 17:59 GMT
#56292
On February 02 2016 02:49 Seuss wrote:
He also needs Rubio to have a bad day. If Rubio's poll surge translates to numbers then the establishment is very likely to throw their support behind him as the Anti-Trump.

But then the establishment has been incredibly hesitant to do anything at this point so maybe not.

Rubio surged in the polls? Is that because of the debate?
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 01 2016 18:01 GMT
#56293
On February 02 2016 02:59 The_Templar wrote:
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On February 02 2016 02:49 Seuss wrote:
He also needs Rubio to have a bad day. If Rubio's poll surge translates to numbers then the establishment is very likely to throw their support behind him as the Anti-Trump.

But then the establishment has been incredibly hesitant to do anything at this point so maybe not.

Rubio surged in the polls? Is that because of the debate?

Also a lot of voters being undecided and then making up their minds. If a poll doesn’t have undecided as an option, people will likely pick the person with the largest name recognition in a poll. That can have huge shifts in the last week, which is why Nate Silver has been saying don’t trust a lot of the polls. Most voters don’t make up their mind until the last week.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 01 2016 18:10 GMT
#56294
Alright, let's poll it up:

Democrats:
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Poll: Democratic Caucus Winner

Bernie Sanders (23)
 
53%

Hillary Clinton (18)
 
42%

Martin O'Malley (2)
 
5%

43 total votes

Your vote: Democratic Caucus Winner

(Vote): Hillary Clinton
(Vote): Martin O'Malley
(Vote): Bernie Sanders





Republicans:
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: Republican Caucus Winner

Donald Trump (28)
 
80%

Ted Cruz (4)
 
11%

Marco Rubio (3)
 
9%

35 total votes

Your vote: Republican Caucus Winner

(Vote): Ted Cruz
(Vote): Marco Rubio
(Vote): Donald Trump



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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-01 18:23:47
February 01 2016 18:21 GMT
#56295
I think Trump voters are very passionate and so they will show up. Also, the process is very simple. They write "Trump" on a piece of paper and leave lol.

The democratic process takes over an hour so hopefully the Bernie people are pumped up and passionately enough to go through the entire process.
rip passion
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42640 Posts
February 01 2016 18:27 GMT
#56296
Btw GH if you'd like to put money on Bernie over Hilldawg I'll do that.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15684 Posts
February 01 2016 18:29 GMT
#56297
On February 02 2016 03:27 KwarK wrote:
Btw GH if you'd like to put money on Bernie over Hilldawg I'll do that.


For Iowa or for the whole thing?
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28664 Posts
February 01 2016 18:33 GMT
#56298
clinton Iowa sanders NH clinton entire thing
trump iowa trump nh trump republican primary
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 01 2016 18:40 GMT
#56299
why is omalley in the poll lmao i misclicked it
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
February 01 2016 18:43 GMT
#56300
Freudian misclick
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