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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23218 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-25 05:17:39
January 25 2016 05:17 GMT
#55721
On January 25 2016 13:46 LuckyFool wrote:
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On January 25 2016 11:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
If Bloomberg ran against Bernie (supposing he wins) and the Republican candidate (Trump or Cruz or ???), would Bloomberg be more likely to take voters away from Bernie or away from the Republican nominee? Because Bloomberg is all over the place in terms of political affiliation.


I came in this thread to ask this very question haha. Seems like no one really knows. I just looked up his party affiliations because I've always thought of him as a Democrat, but he technically switched to Republican in 2001 and then switched again to independent where he's been since 2007. Probably would equally take votes away from both, maybe he could hurt the Democrat a little more since NYC typically votes hard Democrat, but some would go with their former man.



I guess it would depend on how he ran. I don't really see him taking any votes from Bernie or Trump though. He would more just give people who would never vote for either someone to vote for.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 25 2016 05:32 GMT
#55722
Regional air-quality regulators in California voted on Saturday to require the utility responsible for a ruptured underground pipeline in the Los Angeles area to underwrite an independent study on the health effects of a huge methane leak from the site.

The natural gas leak in Aliso Canyon, just outside the Los Angeles neighborhood of Porter Ranch, began on Oct. 23 and ranks as the worst ever in California.

Odorized methane fumes sickened scores of people and led to the temporary relocation of thousands of residents from the northern Los Angeles community near the leaking storage field in Aliso Canyon.

The 4-1 vote on Saturday by a hearing board of the South Coast Air Quality Management District, a regional agency, stopped short of requiring the utility to extract more gas from the crippled field than it already had pledged to siphon out, under orders from state officials.

Gas extraction is designed to ease pressure on the ruptured wellhead and slow the leak.

Lawyers from Southern California Gas Co, the owner of the facility, told the air-quality hearing board any requirement from them could not conflict with the orders from the state Public Utilities Commission and Governor Jerry Brown.

"We're going to comply with the law, we are going to do what they've asked us to do," Robert Wyman, a lawyer for SoCalGas, told regulators at the meeting in Los Angeles.

After that, the board members required the utility to underwrite an independent study on the effects of the leak on local residents and imposed additional monitoring and reporting requirements on the utility.


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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 25 2016 06:23 GMT
#55723
On January 25 2016 14:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2016 13:46 LuckyFool wrote:
On January 25 2016 11:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
If Bloomberg ran against Bernie (supposing he wins) and the Republican candidate (Trump or Cruz or ???), would Bloomberg be more likely to take voters away from Bernie or away from the Republican nominee? Because Bloomberg is all over the place in terms of political affiliation.


I came in this thread to ask this very question haha. Seems like no one really knows. I just looked up his party affiliations because I've always thought of him as a Democrat, but he technically switched to Republican in 2001 and then switched again to independent where he's been since 2007. Probably would equally take votes away from both, maybe he could hurt the Democrat a little more since NYC typically votes hard Democrat, but some would go with their former man.



I guess it would depend on how he ran. I don't really see him taking any votes from Bernie or Trump though. He would more just give people who would never vote for either someone to vote for.


I would try to look at it from a regional perspective, since Electoral votes would be key - in which case which states would he be strongest in (New England?), in which case it would be harmful to the Democrats.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23218 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-25 06:45:43
January 25 2016 06:45 GMT
#55724
On January 25 2016 15:23 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2016 14:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
On January 25 2016 13:46 LuckyFool wrote:
On January 25 2016 11:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
If Bloomberg ran against Bernie (supposing he wins) and the Republican candidate (Trump or Cruz or ???), would Bloomberg be more likely to take voters away from Bernie or away from the Republican nominee? Because Bloomberg is all over the place in terms of political affiliation.


I came in this thread to ask this very question haha. Seems like no one really knows. I just looked up his party affiliations because I've always thought of him as a Democrat, but he technically switched to Republican in 2001 and then switched again to independent where he's been since 2007. Probably would equally take votes away from both, maybe he could hurt the Democrat a little more since NYC typically votes hard Democrat, but some would go with their former man.



I guess it would depend on how he ran. I don't really see him taking any votes from Bernie or Trump though. He would more just give people who would never vote for either someone to vote for.


I would try to look at it from a regional perspective, since Electoral votes would be key - in which case which states would he be strongest in (New England?), in which case it would be harmful to the Democrats.


I guess the question is which state could he actually flip? Pennsylvania and Ohio would be the only ones really in play.

I don't think his appeal extends that far though. I don't think he actually runs anyway.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 25 2016 06:50 GMT
#55725
On January 25 2016 11:32 xDaunt wrote:
So apparently the latest disclosed emails show that Hillary (or people from her team) copied materials and information from top secret and secure email servers and then pasted those materials into emails on Hillary's private server. She's toast.

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The two systems — the Secret Internet Protocol Router Network (SIPRNet) and Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communications System (JWICS) — are not connected to the unclassified system, known as the Non-Classified Internet Protocol Router Network (NIPRNet). You cannot e-mail from one system to the other, though you can use NIPRNet to send ­e-mails outside the government.

Somehow, highly classified information from SIPRNet, as well as even the super-secure JWICS, jumped from those closed systems to the open system and turned up in at least 1,340 of Clinton’s home e-mails — including several the CIA earlier this month flagged as containing ultra-secret Sensitive Compartmented Information and Special Access Programs, a subset of SCI.

SAP includes “dark projects,” such as drone operations, while SCI protects intelligence sources and methods.

Fox News reported Friday that at least one of Clinton’s e-mails included sensitive information on spies.

“It takes a very conscious effort to move a classified e-mail or cable from the classified systems over to the unsecured open system and then send it to Hillary Clinton’s personal e-mail account,” said Raymond Fournier, a veteran Diplomatic Security Service special agent. “That’s no less than a two-conscious-step process.”

He says it’s clear from some of the classified e-mails made public that someone on Clinton’s staff essentially “cut and pasted” content from classified cables into the messages sent to her. The classified markings are gone, but the content is classified at the highest levels — and so sensitive in nature that “it would have been obvious to Clinton.” Most likely the information was, in turn, e-mailed to her via NIPRNet.

To work around the closed, classified systems, which are accessible only by secure desktop workstations whose hard drives must be removed and stored overnight in a safe, Clinton’s staff would have simply retyped classified information from the systems into the non-classified system or taken a screen shot of the classified document, Fournier said. “Either way, it’s totally illegal.”

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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
January 25 2016 15:04 GMT
#55726
bloomberg can just threaten to run to push the dems away from the left
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
January 25 2016 15:11 GMT
#55727
On January 26 2016 00:04 oneofthem wrote:
bloomberg can just threaten to run to push the dems away from the left


and toward the totalitarian?
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 25 2016 16:14 GMT
#55728
On January 26 2016 00:04 oneofthem wrote:
bloomberg can just threaten to run to push the dems away from the left

Why in the world do you have such a boner for Bloomberg?
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-25 17:02:18
January 25 2016 16:54 GMT
#55729
On January 26 2016 00:11 Mindcrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2016 00:04 oneofthem wrote:
bloomberg can just threaten to run to push the dems away from the left


and toward the totalitarian?

yea his social regulation stuff is a bit over the top and probably the way most people know him by, but guy is a moderate technocrat with a nose for practical solutions and data. he's pretty apolitical. cares about poor but also will be well received by the business community

On January 26 2016 01:14 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2016 00:04 oneofthem wrote:
bloomberg can just threaten to run to push the dems away from the left

Why in the world do you have such a boner for Bloomberg?


in short best expected policy outcome. guy raised property tax in new york city and cut consumption tax affecting the poor. he gets things done and will find out what is needed to be done.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 25 2016 17:36 GMT
#55730
The Supreme Court has ruled that a previous decision that put an end to automatic life sentences without parole for juveniles should be retroactive.

The 6-3 ruling means that some 2,100 juvenile murders will now have the possibility of parole.

As NPR's Nina Totenberg reported, this case was a "procedural spiderweb." But the implications of it were easy to understand: At issue was whether a previous ruling by the high court applied to Henry Montgomery, who killed a police officer in 1963 when he was 17-years-old. Montgomery was sentenced to life in prison without parole.

But back in 2012, the Supreme Court decided that sentencing youth to life without parole amounted to cruel and usual punishment. That rule obviously applied to all future cases, but what about past cases?

The Supreme Court resolved today that it did indeed have jurisdiction to review this case and that its previous ruling was substantial enough that it should apply retroactively.


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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 25 2016 18:13 GMT
#55731
Matt Labash has a great and funny article discussing Trump and lampooning him. It's a good history of how Trump has embarrassed himself over the years. Here's a joke that's included:

What I meant to say is that I have a Donald Trump joke. Actually, it's not mine. It was told to me by a former Trump-world executive, who says Trumpsters liked to tell it amongst themselves, as it captures a certain essence. But since it's a little salty, with mature themes and adult language, and since I am a family-friendly writer, I will let him have the floor:

So Donald Trump is riding in an elevator. The elevator doors open, and a gorgeous blonde steps in. She sees him, and says, "Oh my God, you're Donald Trump!" And he says, "Yes, I am." And she says, "Can I suck your *$@!?" And he says, "What's in it for me?"


The rest is here.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 25 2016 18:26 GMT
#55732
That was entertaining. What I got out of that was when you're a billionaire, you can say and do whatever you want.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 25 2016 18:33 GMT
#55733
On September 9, 2002, as the George W. Bush administration was launching its campaign to invade Iraq, a classified report landed on the desk of the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. It came from Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, and it carried an ominous note.

“Please take a look at this material as to what we don’t know about WMD,” Rumsfeld wrote to Air Force General Richard Myers. “It is big.”

The report was an inventory of what U.S. intelligence knew—or more importantly didn’t know—about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. Its assessment was blunt: “We’ve struggled to estimate the unknowns. ... We range from 0% to about 75% knowledge on various aspects of their program.”

Myers already knew about the report. The Joint Staff’s director for intelligence had prepared it, but Rumsfeld’s urgent tone said a great deal about how seriously the head of the Defense Department viewed the report’s potential to undermine the Bush administration’s case for war. But he never shared the eight-page report with key members of the administration such as then-Secretary of State Colin Powell or top officials at the CIA, according to multiple sources at the State Department, White House and CIA who agreed to speak on condition of anonymity. Instead, the report disappeared, and with it a potentially powerful counter-narrative to the administration’s argument that Saddam Hussein’s nuclear, chemical and biological weapons posed a grave threat to the U.S. and its allies, which was beginning to gain traction in major news outlets, led by the New York Times.

While the threat posed by a nuclear-armed Iraq was at the heart of the administration's case for war, the JCS report conceded: “Our knowledge of the Iraqi (nuclear) weapons program is based largely—perhaps 90%—on analysis of imprecise intelligence.”

The rationale for the invasion has long since been discredited, but the JCS report, now declassified, which a former Bush administration official forwarded in December, nevertheless has implications for both sides in the 2016 presidential race, in particular the GOP candidates who are relying for foreign policy advice on some of the architects of the war, and the Democratic front-runner, who once again is coming under fire from her primary opponent for supporting the invasion.


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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
January 25 2016 18:38 GMT
#55734
Can't help but envy that lifestyle.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 25 2016 19:11 GMT
#55735
The Hillary Clinton campaign has been engaged in an aggressive effort to accomplish one crucial political goal: Knocking off Bernie Sanders’ halo. One common thread running through many Clinton attacks on Sanders — whether it’s questioning his record on guns or suggesting his single payer dream isn’t going to happen — has been to try to portray Sanders as a conventional politician (after all) who is not quite as pure as the scenes of his rapt, transported crowds suggest and is promising more than he can deliver.


Obama is a dirty Hillary schill

I'm sorry, is the president not allowed to have his own opinion any more? Hilarious from the WaPo who did a full 360 and made a noticeable turn towards Bernie after the last debate. Of course, they're doing it to generate more traffic (note that their audience skews younger and more liberal than NYT) but so much for editorial integrity (hidden by the thin veneer of "blog post").
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 25 2016 20:17 GMT
#55736
The city of Flint has belatedly rewritten water testing instructions that have been blamed for the gross underestimation of its lead pollution crisis, with the Michigan government to be sued this week over its continued support for the distorted tests revealed by the Guardian.

People in Flint have been complaining about their water since the summer of 2014. Until December 2015, officials in the city were handing out instructions to residents which said they should test their drinking water only after they had had turned on the “cold faucet of your kitchen or main bathroom sink and let it run for three to four minutes”.

This practice of “pre-flushing” pipes has been criticized by the federal Environmental Protection Agency and other scientists for reducing the amount of lead and copper corrosion found in samples.

Analysis conducted by the Virginia Tech scientists Marc Edwards, Rebekah Martin, and Min Tang, who were among the first to uncover the toxic water crisis in Flint, found that of 21 Flint households tested under these altered conditions, 16 showed much higher lead levels when their water was tested normally.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23218 Posts
January 25 2016 21:26 GMT
#55737
On January 26 2016 05:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
The city of Flint has belatedly rewritten water testing instructions that have been blamed for the gross underestimation of its lead pollution crisis, with the Michigan government to be sued this week over its continued support for the distorted tests revealed by the Guardian.

People in Flint have been complaining about their water since the summer of 2014. Until December 2015, officials in the city were handing out instructions to residents which said they should test their drinking water only after they had had turned on the “cold faucet of your kitchen or main bathroom sink and let it run for three to four minutes”.

This practice of “pre-flushing” pipes has been criticized by the federal Environmental Protection Agency and other scientists for reducing the amount of lead and copper corrosion found in samples.

Analysis conducted by the Virginia Tech scientists Marc Edwards, Rebekah Martin, and Min Tang, who were among the first to uncover the toxic water crisis in Flint, found that of 21 Flint households tested under these altered conditions, 16 showed much higher lead levels when their water was tested normally.


Source


There is a cruel irony in that Flint water rates are still higher than most places around the country, and people are still having to pay for their poison water.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8503 Posts
January 25 2016 22:58 GMT
#55738
The Harris County, Texas grand jury tasked with investigating Planned Parenthood announced today that it has decided not to indict the women's health provider. Instead, the grand jury has indicted David Daleiden and Sandra Merritt of the anti-abortion Center for Medical Progress. Last summer, their group released a series of secretly-recorded and deceptively-edited videos purporting to show Planned Parenthood officials discussing the sale of fetal tissue—which would be illegal.


MotherJones
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21665 Posts
January 25 2016 23:02 GMT
#55739
On January 26 2016 07:58 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +
The Harris County, Texas grand jury tasked with investigating Planned Parenthood announced today that it has decided not to indict the women's health provider. Instead, the grand jury has indicted David Daleiden and Sandra Merritt of the anti-abortion Center for Medical Progress. Last summer, their group released a series of secretly-recorded and deceptively-edited videos purporting to show Planned Parenthood officials discussing the sale of fetal tissue—which would be illegal.


MotherJones

Good, here is hoping they don't come off this easy.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
January 25 2016 23:09 GMT
#55740
I saw that headline come up on my phone and was practically giddy in response. Should be a fun trial
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