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aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
January 24 2016 20:18 GMT
#55701
On January 25 2016 05:10 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2016 04:54 KwarK wrote:
GH I'd bet actual money on it. What would it profit me if I won a ban bet and got you banned?


You would win the praises of TL'rs, though I think plenty would consider a ban bet between the two of us win-win. Could always pick the sig bet and then make my sig something like "In all matters, I defer to the master of knowledge, Kwark" or something.

I'm sure if you're really confident we could come up with something. Admittedly you're not at the top of my preference list but if no one else has got the guts, I'd take it.

I already praise KwarK...
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 24 2016 20:26 GMT
#55702
On January 24 2016 23:15 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2016 12:17 xDaunt wrote:


4) Over 1,300 emails containing classified information have been found on her server. These include emails subject to SAP, the most confidential/top secret classification


Is that labeled classified or emails actually containing classified information?

As a former government contractor I know that a lot of classified labels get plastered on emails either automatically or out of habit. A lot of people working for the government don't understand classified labels beyond "I need to plaster these labels on my shit or I could get fired".

I mean, I've seen emails that were like:

+ Show Spoiler +
THIS IS SUPER SECRET DON'T TELL ANYONE

Bob, let's get coffee.

-Jim

SUCH SECRET, MUCH DOGE


Its much worse, one of Clinton's first defenses was that the info was not marked as classified. Then of course they found information that she stripped docs of classified headings. Then they found docs that had both, and the most recent info we have is she had information on active agents abroad on the server.
Freeeeeeedom
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 24 2016 21:29 GMT
#55703
Former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg is taking early steps toward launching an independent campaign for president, seeing a potential path to the White House amid the rise of Republican Donald Trump and Democrat Bernie Sanders.

Bloomberg has retained advisers and plans to conduct a poll after the Feb. 9 New Hampshire primary to assess the state of the race and judge whether there is an opening for him to mount an independent campaign, according to three people familiar with his thinking. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about his plans, which were first reported Saturday by The New York Times.

Bloomberg has set a March deadline to decide on whether to enter the race, to ensure his access to the ballot in all 50 states.

The billionaire media executive, who served three terms as mayor of New York, is said to be concerned by Trump's lasting hold on the Republican field and is worried about the impact of Sanders' campaign on the bid by Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination.

Bloomberg's efforts underscore the unsettled nature of the presidential race a little more than a week before the first round of primary voting. The months-long rise of Sanders and Trump has shaken up the political establishment in both parties and on Wall Street, who've struggled to combat their climb in primary polls.

A longtime Democrat who became a Republican to run for mayor in 2001 and later switched to be an independent, Bloomberg would strongly consider a bid if the general election looked like it could turn into a contest between Sanders and Trump or Texas Sen. Ted Cruz.

He is not ruling out a bid if Clinton is ahead on the Democratic side, though people familiar with his plans believe it is not particularly likely Bloomberg would challenge Clinton in a general election. But they said Bloomberg has expressed concern about the damage caused by revelations she used a private email address and server while serving as secretary of state, and he fears she may emerge atop the Democratic field as a weakened nominee.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 24 2016 21:39 GMT
#55704
A Bloomberg bid is a great way for Trump or Cruz to win the Presidency with 43% of the vote.
Freeeeeeedom
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 24 2016 21:45 GMT
#55705
Bloomberg is a Republican.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 24 2016 21:59 GMT
#55706
On January 25 2016 06:45 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Bloomberg is a Republican.

Republicans don't see him that way.
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
January 24 2016 21:59 GMT
#55707
Bloomberg has been everything at one point or another.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-24 22:10:19
January 24 2016 22:08 GMT
#55708
Bloomberg does realize that just because Sanders + Trump are doing well doesn't mean that any random guy can throw his hat in the ring and do well right... oh heck I should become a political consultant to people with huge egos and pocketbooks, advise them to run then take my sweet consulting fee and the kickback from TV ad placements.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 24 2016 22:09 GMT
#55709
On January 25 2016 06:45 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Bloomberg is a Republican.

His 2 policies of note are a soda ban and gun control. Good luck drawing from Republican voters.
Freeeeeeedom
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 24 2016 22:13 GMT
#55710
Bloomberg is exactly the wrong type of candidate to make a bid in an anti-establishment election year. He doesn't have a prayer.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18232 Posts
January 24 2016 23:13 GMT
#55711
On January 25 2016 07:13 xDaunt wrote:
Bloomberg is exactly the wrong type of candidate to make a bid in an anti-establishment election year. He doesn't have a prayer.

But he would probably get enough support to draw non-negligible votes away from the other candidates; especially the democrat one.
Livelovedie
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States492 Posts
January 25 2016 01:53 GMT
#55712
Yeah I think he is thinking he can run as the establishment candidate if there was one. Hope he doesn't.
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
January 25 2016 02:03 GMT
#55713
No one is exactly clamoring for a Bloomberg run lol...
rip passion
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 25 2016 02:03 GMT
#55714
Jeb Bush on Sunday praised Rick Snyder, the beleaguered governor of Michigan, for “stepping up” in response to the crisis over lead-poisoned drinking water in the city of Flint.

Emails show that Snyder, a Republican, ignored and dismissed the problem more than a year ago, even as children began showing signs of irreparable lead poisoning. A federal state of emergency has been declared.

Calls for Snyder’s impeachment or resignation have come from many quarters, including the Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders.

Appearing on CNN’s State of the Union, former Florida governor Bush, a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination in 2016, said big government was most likely to blame for the crisis, which occurred after state emergency managers switched the city’s water supply from Lake Huron to the Flint river in a cost-cutting measure.

“I admire Rick Snyder for stepping up right now,” Bush said. “He’s going through the challenge. And he’s fired people and accepted responsibility to fix this. This is going to be a long-term challenge.”

Bush said he had criticized Snyder on the issue, but now applauded the governor for his actions. This week, Snyder apologized. Flint began drawing from the contaminated river in April 2014, as part of a cost-cutting decision by state emergency managers.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
January 25 2016 02:21 GMT
#55715
On January 25 2016 11:03 Deathstar wrote:
No one is exactly clamoring for a Bloomberg run lol...


Bloomberg isn't a serious candidate.

He is a dream.

He is the dream of a world of data-based governance guided by thought rather than emotion, information rather than instinct. He is the dream of a world where we actually thought about the impact of our policies and considered them based on the numbers of people they affect and how they affect them.

Bloomberg wasn't right about everything. In the better world he is the vision of, others would also be looking at data and saying "soft drink size rules and stop and frisk have direct benefits, but indirectly cause problems down the road." There would be discussion, not rhetoric, and problem solving, not grandstanding. If only he lived in a world where he didn't seem to be the only one trying to sort though the clouds of information, unaided, utterly alone.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45342 Posts
January 25 2016 02:24 GMT
#55716
If Bloomberg ran against Bernie (supposing he wins) and the Republican candidate (Trump or Cruz or ???), would Bloomberg be more likely to take voters away from Bernie or away from the Republican nominee? Because Bloomberg is all over the place in terms of political affiliation.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 25 2016 02:32 GMT
#55717
So apparently the latest disclosed emails show that Hillary (or people from her team) copied materials and information from top secret and secure email servers and then pasted those materials into emails on Hillary's private server. She's toast.

The two systems — the Secret Internet Protocol Router Network (SIPRNet) and Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communications System (JWICS) — are not connected to the unclassified system, known as the Non-Classified Internet Protocol Router Network (NIPRNet). You cannot e-mail from one system to the other, though you can use NIPRNet to send ­e-mails outside the government.

Somehow, highly classified information from SIPRNet, as well as even the super-secure JWICS, jumped from those closed systems to the open system and turned up in at least 1,340 of Clinton’s home e-mails — including several the CIA earlier this month flagged as containing ultra-secret Sensitive Compartmented Information and Special Access Programs, a subset of SCI.

SAP includes “dark projects,” such as drone operations, while SCI protects intelligence sources and methods.

Fox News reported Friday that at least one of Clinton’s e-mails included sensitive information on spies.

“It takes a very conscious effort to move a classified e-mail or cable from the classified systems over to the unsecured open system and then send it to Hillary Clinton’s personal e-mail account,” said Raymond Fournier, a veteran Diplomatic Security Service special agent. “That’s no less than a two-conscious-step process.”

He says it’s clear from some of the classified e-mails made public that someone on Clinton’s staff essentially “cut and pasted” content from classified cables into the messages sent to her. The classified markings are gone, but the content is classified at the highest levels — and so sensitive in nature that “it would have been obvious to Clinton.” Most likely the information was, in turn, e-mailed to her via NIPRNet.

To work around the closed, classified systems, which are accessible only by secure desktop workstations whose hard drives must be removed and stored overnight in a safe, Clinton’s staff would have simply retyped classified information from the systems into the non-classified system or taken a screen shot of the classified document, Fournier said. “Either way, it’s totally illegal.”


Source.
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
January 25 2016 02:54 GMT
#55718
Old lady wants to use her old FRSTL4DY@aol.com email address because technology is hard. Has emails copy pasta'd to her. Seems pretty easy to walk away from honestly.
LiquidDota Staff
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-25 02:56:42
January 25 2016 02:56 GMT
#55719
That wouldn't work as she is the only one that is supposed to have access to such emails. Either way she copied them herself or she had someone do it for her. She loses either way.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
January 25 2016 04:46 GMT
#55720
On January 25 2016 11:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
If Bloomberg ran against Bernie (supposing he wins) and the Republican candidate (Trump or Cruz or ???), would Bloomberg be more likely to take voters away from Bernie or away from the Republican nominee? Because Bloomberg is all over the place in terms of political affiliation.


I came in this thread to ask this very question haha. Seems like no one really knows. I just looked up his party affiliations because I've always thought of him as a Democrat, but he technically switched to Republican in 2001 and then switched again to independent where he's been since 2007. Probably would equally take votes away from both, maybe he could hurt the Democrat a little more since NYC typically votes hard Democrat, but some would go with their former man.
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