US Politics Mega-thread - Page 2524

On November 14 2015 00:17 Mohdoo wrote:
I think it is interesting how this thread has turned out very personal as it is the same 10-15 people posting with the occasional chiming in by someone else.

On November 14 2015 00:17 Mohdoo wrote:
I think it is interesting how this thread has turned out very personal as it is the same 10-15 people posting with the occasional chiming in by someone else.

On November 14 2015 00:17 Mohdoo wrote:
I think it is interesting how this thread has turned out very personal as it is the same 10-15 people posting with the occasional chiming in by someone else.

On November 14 2015 01:15 xDaunt wrote:

Well, it certainly shouldn't be surprising. The PC crowd has so badly polarized the debate that it is impossible to keep impersonal.

On November 14 2015 01:41 Plansix wrote:

I could make the same statements about the conservatives being super thin skinned and dismissive about systematic racism.

On November 14 2015 01:48 xDaunt wrote:

Yes, taking the position of "everyone who disagrees with us is a racist" is a great way to have a civilized debate. You might as well take the position of "everyone who disagrees with us is a fucking asshole." That might actually be more civil.

On November 14 2015 01:50 Plansix wrote:

You are referencing a single poster, not every person with liberal leanings in the thread.

On November 14 2015 01:15 xDaunt wrote:

Well, it certainly shouldn't be surprising. The PC crowd has so badly polarized the debate

On November 14 2015 01:51 xDaunt wrote:

No, I'm referencing everyone in this radical PC movement, yourself included.

Senate Republicans are finally having their long-awaited "come to Jesus" moment on Obamacare.

After years of promising to repeal the President's crowning health care achievement, even doomed efforts that are essentially political shows are being thrown in to turmoil by the political and policy realities that surround the law. Republicans took over Senate nearly a year ago, and now their first meaningful attempt to get a repeal measure on Obama's desk is being thwarted by the desire of some Republicans to protect the law's expanded Medicaid program -- a major target of conservative scorn.

The resistance of at least a handful of Republicans to a repeal measure that would dismantle the expansion reflects a growing realization -- even in red states -- that Obamacare is here to stay and attacking one of its most popular provisions is politically damaging. No longer are Republicans just coming up short when it comes to how to replace Obamacare. Some are now openly admitting that fully repealing it isn't really feasible.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) promised in December that the chamber, under his control, "will go at that law — which in my view is the single worst piece of legislation passed in the last half century — in every way that we can."

After numerous tantrums by conservatives, McConnell is moving forward with that promise 11 months after the GOP assumed control of the Senate. He has chosen a procedural maneuver known as budget reconciliation because it only requires 51 and thus is free from the threat of Democratic filibuster. As President Obama would undoubtably veto the bill, the effort is a symbolic measure to assure conservatives that lawmakers will be ready and waiting to do it again if a Republican wins back the White House.

Ironically, however, the complexities of the process -- which requires that any reconciliation bill decrease the deficit -- has only confirmed what policymakers and Democrats have been saying: that pulling out Obamacare by the root would adversely affect health care consumers and would add to the country's budget woes. It also highlights the lack of GOP consensus on how to replace it, as Republicans run into the same underlying economics that the law itself grapples with.

Republican leaders may be short of even the 51 votes required due to the GOPers publicly balking at attacking the Medicaid expansion.

“I am very concerned about the 160,000 people who had Medicaid expansion in my state. I have difficulty with that being included,” Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R-WV) told The Hill, as the Senate weighs a plan to move forward a repeal effort that would reverse the expansion.

Sens. John Hoeven (R-ND) and Sen. Steve Daines (R-MT) also hedged on supporting anything that attacked Medicaid expansion, according to The Hill report, as did another unnamed Republican senator, who called it “problematic.”

Meanwhile an anonymous GOP aide speaking to The Hill earlier this week acknowledged repealing Medicaid expansion would be “complicated” for some Republicans.

On November 14 2015 02:00 zlefin wrote:
This kind of rude nonsense that is occurring is the reason I don't post more, I prefer to debate actual issues, but too many here are too rude for my pansy tastes. please tone it down xdaunt.

On November 14 2015 02:16 xDaunt wrote:

I find it hilarious that so many people have zero clue why the debate is what it is despite the fact that I've explained (as have others) in painstaking detail over the past several pages. And it's even funnier how people taking the opposite side are completely oblivious as to their role all in all of this. But given that it apparently is lost on so many of you still, let me reiterate:

When the charge of racism is so casually thrown around, things are bound to get ugly, and the semantics of the debate are bound to become the debate itself.

And again, it's not my side that brought out the R-word.

On November 14 2015 02:24 Nyxisto wrote:
It's not that the charge is casually thrown around it's just that you think that everybody who stands politically left of the Westboro Baptist church is a politically correct communist. Kind of like all ways from the north-pole lead south.