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Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-20 22:32:09
October 20 2015 22:26 GMT
#48461
On October 21 2015 07:21 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Well, money aside, Trump is probably much more like the people of New Hampshire than Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, or Carly Fiorina. Unless having your own SuperPAC is a common thing there.

Trump is his own SuperPAC, lol. He also sounds like a complete megalomaniac most of the time. People can't honestly believe that he's a "man of the people" because he rants against 'the establishment' and political correctness on Twitter.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
October 20 2015 22:42 GMT
#48462
On October 21 2015 07:26 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2015 07:21 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Well, money aside, Trump is probably much more like the people of New Hampshire than Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, or Carly Fiorina. Unless having your own SuperPAC is a common thing there.

Trump is his own SuperPAC, lol. He also sounds like a complete megalomaniac most of the time. People can't honestly believe that he's a "man of the people" because he rants against 'the establishment' and political correctness on Twitter.


I think it's more that they believe he's a man of the people because he rants on twitter at all.
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-20 23:14:55
October 20 2015 22:51 GMT
#48463
On October 21 2015 03:55 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2015 03:46 Plansix wrote:
On October 21 2015 03:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
On October 21 2015 01:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The moderate wing of the GOP is concerned that if the House cannot coalesce behind Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) or someone like him as speaker, some of the more pragmatic members of the caucus will retire, the National Journal reported Monday.

“De­pend­ing on how this shakes out, you may see some Main Street mem­bers re­tire,” Sarah Cham­ber­lain -- chief op­er­at­ing and fin­an­cial of­ficer for the Republic­an Main Street Part­ner­ship, which supports moderate GOP lawmakers -- told the National Journal. "They’re hop­ing for a Ry­an-type can­did­ate. But if it’s not and it be­comes a huge mess, why be sit­ting here?”

Two of the most vocal GOP critics of the conservative hardliners who have been roiling House leadership suggested to National Journal that the thought of retirement was weighing on members' minds, even if they themselves weren't currently considering stepping down.


“A lot has been put on hold in both ways—people de­cid­ing to run again, or not run again,” Rep. Pete King (R-NY) told National Journal, while saying he personally is not considering retiring "be­cause you can’t give in."

Likewise, Rep. Charlie Dent (R-PA) said he was "pre­par­ing as if I’m run­ning for reelec­tion right now."

"But we’ll see what hap­pens. The next two months are go­ing to be pretty intense,” Dent said.


Source



Well the establishment Republican party is in it's death throws...


Mission accomplished?

I'm not going to lie about the fact that the leading nominee for the republican party saying he doesn't buy the standby Republican line about Bush keeping us safe, thinks going to Iraq was a downright stupid idea, thinks everyone should have access to healthcare (regardless of income), and and says he's basically against citizens united makes me laugh.

Is Canada a preview for the "liberal" sweep coming down here? Ryan was the house's go to guy, now it sounds even if they got him to say yes he wouldn't have the votes.

Republicans literally can't lead themselves and they think people are going to hand them the country!?

Its hard to lead when the base they created wouldn’t understand what it was if they did. The simple fact is that the people who like Trump and think he “Will make America Great Again” don’t know what they want. What they do know is that they blame the government, Obama and politicians for all of their problems and they wanted it torn down.

And people are idiots and think Trump will serve the people. Bucking the “establishment’ means you don’t want to listen to people who are in power. Its also means you might not listen to the voters either. But the idea the Trump is in it for just Trump never crosses their minds. Or they truly believe that voting for a self serving bigot will somehow improve their life.


Show nested quote +
Or they truly believe that voting for a self serving bigot will somehow improve their life.


"He's like one of us" (actual quote from a NH focus group in reference to Trump)


people in NH threaten to sue everyone, declare bankruptcy to take advantage of the laws and get in fights with people in panama over buildings? I didn't know that.

here's the paname thing btw. its a pretty good read. Its 10 days old so not necessarily new but someone might have missed it. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/panama-development-saga-offers-insight-trump-business-practices/
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23244 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-20 23:13:01
October 20 2015 22:58 GMT
#48464
On October 21 2015 07:51 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2015 03:55 GreenHorizons wrote:
On October 21 2015 03:46 Plansix wrote:
On October 21 2015 03:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
On October 21 2015 01:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The moderate wing of the GOP is concerned that if the House cannot coalesce behind Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) or someone like him as speaker, some of the more pragmatic members of the caucus will retire, the National Journal reported Monday.

“De­pend­ing on how this shakes out, you may see some Main Street mem­bers re­tire,” Sarah Cham­ber­lain -- chief op­er­at­ing and fin­an­cial of­ficer for the Republic­an Main Street Part­ner­ship, which supports moderate GOP lawmakers -- told the National Journal. "They’re hop­ing for a Ry­an-type can­did­ate. But if it’s not and it be­comes a huge mess, why be sit­ting here?”

Two of the most vocal GOP critics of the conservative hardliners who have been roiling House leadership suggested to National Journal that the thought of retirement was weighing on members' minds, even if they themselves weren't currently considering stepping down.


“A lot has been put on hold in both ways—people de­cid­ing to run again, or not run again,” Rep. Pete King (R-NY) told National Journal, while saying he personally is not considering retiring "be­cause you can’t give in."

Likewise, Rep. Charlie Dent (R-PA) said he was "pre­par­ing as if I’m run­ning for reelec­tion right now."

"But we’ll see what hap­pens. The next two months are go­ing to be pretty intense,” Dent said.


Source



Well the establishment Republican party is in it's death throws...


Mission accomplished?

I'm not going to lie about the fact that the leading nominee for the republican party saying he doesn't buy the standby Republican line about Bush keeping us safe, thinks going to Iraq was a downright stupid idea, thinks everyone should have access to healthcare (regardless of income), and and says he's basically against citizens united makes me laugh.

Is Canada a preview for the "liberal" sweep coming down here? Ryan was the house's go to guy, now it sounds even if they got him to say yes he wouldn't have the votes.

Republicans literally can't lead themselves and they think people are going to hand them the country!?

Its hard to lead when the base they created wouldn’t understand what it was if they did. The simple fact is that the people who like Trump and think he “Will make America Great Again” don’t know what they want. What they do know is that they blame the government, Obama and politicians for all of their problems and they wanted it torn down.

And people are idiots and think Trump will serve the people. Bucking the “establishment’ means you don’t want to listen to people who are in power. Its also means you might not listen to the voters either. But the idea the Trump is in it for just Trump never crosses their minds. Or they truly believe that voting for a self serving bigot will somehow improve their life.


Or they truly believe that voting for a self serving bigot will somehow improve their life.


"He's like one of us" (actual quote from a NH focus group in reference to Trump)


people in NH threaten to sue everyone, declare bankruptcy to take advantage of the laws and get in fights with people in panama over buildings? I didn't know that.

here's the paname thing btw. its a pretty good read. Its 10 days old so not necessarily new but httsomeone might have missed it. p://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/panama-development-saga-offers-insight-trump-business-practices/


This is just a snippit



Well now GWB is going after Cruz lol

“I just don’t like the guy,” Bush said Sunday night, according to conversations with more than half a dozen donors who attended the event.

One donor in the room said the former president had been offering mostly anodyne accounts of how the Bush family network views the current campaign and charming off-the-cuff jokes, until he launched into Cruz.

“I was like, ‘Holy sh-t, did he just say that?’” the donor said. “I remember looking around and seeing that other people were also looking around surprised.”

“The tenor of what he said about the other candidates was really pretty pleasant,” another donor said. “Until he got to Cruz.”

Bush took a harsh view of Cruz’s apparent alliance with Trump, who stood with the senator at a Capitol Hill rally last month in opposition to the Iran deal. While Trump, the current GOP poll leader, has attacked most of his competitors in the 2016 field, he has avoided criticizing Cruz.

One donor, paraphrasing the former president’s comment in response to a broad question about how he viewed the primary race and the other Republican candidates, said: “He said he found it ‘opportunistic’ that Cruz was sucking up to Trump and just expecting all of his support to come to him in the end,” that donor added.


Source

On the bright side, the Creationist is in a comfy second place and kicking all of their butts in grassroots fundraising.

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
October 20 2015 23:08 GMT
#48465
Holy shit that video is disturbing.
Never Knows Best.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
October 20 2015 23:19 GMT
#48466
"He talked about building a wall on the southern border, when you talk about common sense, that's a common sense thing to do!"

TIL that Erich Honecker is part of New Hampshire focus groups
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
October 20 2015 23:24 GMT
#48467
re: the video
Some people are idiots, that's not surprising at all. Imo one of the chief purposes of government is to filter out the stupid.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 21 2015 00:30 GMT
#48468
On October 21 2015 00:37 ticklishmusic wrote:
EDIT: Also, Jim Webb is out.

he might run as an independent but prob not monied enough to gain traction.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23244 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-21 00:31:10
October 21 2015 00:30 GMT
#48469
So will the Freedom caucus accept Paul Ryan's "conditions" in order to take the Speaker role?

I'm guessing not, if he had to come out to the public with them.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
October 21 2015 03:59 GMT
#48470
Paul Ryan actually made a pretty good play here, he becomes Speaker and subjugates the rogue Freedom Caucus, or avoids the entire toxic shitstorm and can tinker with his imaginary budget and hone his alleged policy wonkiness.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 21 2015 12:59 GMT
#48471
On October 21 2015 08:08 Slaughter wrote:
Holy shit that video is disturbing.

As someone who lives next to New Hampshire, the state has a number of “free staters” and “sovereign citizens” that love to talk to the camera. You don’t need to look far to find these people. They don’t represent the state as a whole. They just love New Hampshire because of its very sparse legal system(attorneys call it the land that law forgot) and strong property rights. Its easy to find some knuckle dragger to talk about defending a boarder he doesn’t live near.

We will see how Trump does over time and if he can keep things going when the reality show ends.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 21 2015 15:20 GMT
#48472
One hundred twenty of the nation's top police chiefs and prosecutors are joining forces today to launch a new effort to cut the number of people in prison. The new coalition of heavyweights, called Law Enforcement Leaders to Reduce Crime & Incarceration, is based on one big idea: putting too many people behind bars doesn't keep the public safe.

"Our experience has been, and in some ways it's counter-intuitive, that you really can reduce crime and incarceration at the same time," said Ronal Serpas, co-chair of the group.

Serpas spent about 35 years in law enforcement, in jobs that took him from New Orleans to Washington state to Nashville. He told NPR he's come to believe the justice system should conserve resources to handle the most serious and violent offenders. But, Serpas said, in too many cases, that doesn't happen now.

"Our officers are losing all day long on arrest reports and at lockups dropping off prisoners — it's for low level offenders who pose no threat to the community, are posing very little to no threat for recidivism and overwhelmingly are just folks who have mental health or drug addiction problems that there's no place else for them to go," he said.

Serpas said he and other members of the group will be speaking out and trying to change state and federal laws. Their goals include cutting tough mandatory minimum prison terms, opening up more alternatives to incarceration like mental health and sobriety centers, and fostering better relationships with communities of color.

Experts in criminal justice policy said the new group marks a big turnaround from the lock 'em up practices of 20 years ago.


Source
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18828 Posts
October 21 2015 16:19 GMT
#48473
Biden is officially not running for president. Bless your soul, Joe, you've earned the rest.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 21 2015 16:21 GMT
#48474
Clinton and Sanders: Hope you like one of them.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 21 2015 16:22 GMT
#48475
He wants a spot on the SCOTUS ala Taft reincarnate

PRINCETON, N.J. -- A majority of Americans continue to say marijuana use should be legal in the United States, with 58% holding that view, tying the high point in Gallup's 46-year trend.

Americans' support for legal marijuana has steadily grown over time. When Gallup first asked the question, in 1969, 12% of Americans thought marijuana use should be legal, with little change in two early 1970s polls. By the late 1970s, support had increased to about 25%, and held there through the mid-1990s. The percentage of Americans who favored making use of the drug legal exceeded 30% by 2000 and was higher than 40% by 2009.

Over the past six years, support has vacillated a bit, but averaged 48% from 2010 through 2012 and has averaged above the majority level, 56%, since 2013.

The higher level of support comes as many states and localities are changing, or considering changing, their laws on marijuana. So far, four states and the District of Columbia have made recreational use of marijuana legal, and Ohio voters are set to decide a ballot initiative that would do the same this coming Election Day. The topic has been an issue on the 2016 presidential campaign trail, and several candidates have expressed a willingness to let states set their own marijuana laws even though federal law prohibits marijuana use.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 21 2015 16:23 GMT
#48476
On October 22 2015 01:21 Danglars wrote:
Clinton and Sanders: Hope you like one of them.

Not that Biden is a prize, either.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 21 2015 16:24 GMT
#48477
On October 22 2015 01:23 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 01:21 Danglars wrote:
Clinton and Sanders: Hope you like one of them.

Not that Biden is a prize, either.

He is preferable to the clown show the Republicans are putting forward for us.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15690 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-21 16:28:50
October 21 2015 16:25 GMT
#48478
If Iraq ends up receiving assistance from Russia, Obama has officially failed in his Middle Eastern policy.

On October 22 2015 01:23 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 01:21 Danglars wrote:
Clinton and Sanders: Hope you like one of them.

Not that Biden is a prize, either.


What are your criticisms of Biden?

Edit: Link for Biden choosing not to run:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/22/us/politics/joe-biden-will-not-run-for-president.html?module=Notification&version=BreakingNews&region=FixedTop&action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=52957366&pgtype=Homepage
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15690 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-21 16:26:22
October 21 2015 16:26 GMT
#48479
Double post, sorry.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 21 2015 16:32 GMT
#48480
On October 22 2015 01:25 Mohdoo wrote:
If Iraq ends up receiving assistance from Russia, Obama has officially failed in his Middle Eastern policy.

Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 01:23 xDaunt wrote:
On October 22 2015 01:21 Danglars wrote:
Clinton and Sanders: Hope you like one of them.

Not that Biden is a prize, either.


What are your criticisms of Biden?

Edit: Link for Biden choosing not to run:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/22/us/politics/joe-biden-will-not-run-for-president.html?module=Notification&version=BreakingNews&region=FixedTop&action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=52957366&pgtype=Homepage

Biden is a walking gaffe machine and already a multi-time, failed presidential candidate. Policy and position considerations aside, Biden simply is not a good democratic candidate and never was going to be one, which is why so many on the right found it hilarious that so many democrats were looking at Biden as a potential savior (you may recall snarky posts from me and others on this point).
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