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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18846 Posts
October 19 2015 19:07 GMT
#48421
I think slavery and/or Vietnam were slightly bigger disgraces all things considered, but yeah, the WMD fiasco definitely ranks up there.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15736 Posts
October 19 2015 19:08 GMT
#48422
On October 20 2015 04:03 Leporello wrote:
Anyone who knows about Codename Curveball and thinks the WMDs were a mistake and not a brazen, disgusting lie has the thickest blinders on. The "WMD" lies are probably the biggest disgrace in our nation's history, and I'm just thankful the world didn't completely turn its back on us as a result.


But anyways, lots of sources are saying Biden is going to announce his candidacy for Pres in the next 24-48 hours.

Personally, I think a Biden ticket siphons most of its votes from the Hillary camp. Sander's supporters are more cemented in their support, I feel. So, Biden running could be the thing that really sets up a victory for Sanders.


I will immediately jump ship from both Clinton and Sanders if Biden runs. I might even make my first actual political donation!
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 19 2015 19:08 GMT
#48423
There were all those people that lived here before us that we killed and took their land over like 200 years. That wasn't super great either. But Iraq is pretty bad.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43542 Posts
October 19 2015 19:12 GMT
#48424
At least your leader didn't do it because he thought it'd make him look cool.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
October 19 2015 19:14 GMT
#48425
On October 20 2015 04:07 farvacola wrote:
I think slavery and/or Vietnam were slightly bigger disgraces all things considered, but yeah, the WMD fiasco definitely ranks up there.

Fair enough.
Big water
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 19:51:40
October 19 2015 19:43 GMT
#48426
On October 20 2015 04:03 Leporello wrote:
Anyone who knows about Codename Curveball and thinks the WMDs were a mistake and not a brazen, disgusting lie has the thickest blinders on. The "WMD" lies are probably the biggest disgrace in our nation's history, and I'm just thankful the world didn't completely turn its back on us as a result.


But anyways, lots of sources are saying Biden is going to announce his candidacy for Pres in the next 24-48 hours.

Personally, I think a Biden ticket siphons most of its votes from the Hillary camp. Sander's supporters are more cemented in their support, I feel. So, Biden running could be the thing that really sets up a victory for Sanders.


I think I read something that Biden would take supporters roughly 50/50 from Bernie/Hillary, although I'm not sure on how accurate that source was or where it got that information from.
(edit - can't find it at the moment)

While I will still support Bernie, I would prefer Biden over Hillary. Crazy Uncle Joe seems well liked in a lot of places, and he's done quite a bit of good as VP. If/when he announces his candidacy, I'll be a bit surprised though, even if I've been told it's coming. He's gone through so much personal shit, I didn't actually expect him to commit to him.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 20:15:39
October 19 2015 20:15 GMT
#48427
Bernie supporters are a lot less sticky than they appear... I'd wager a good chunk are millennials who don't know too much about politics but are just bandwagoning a candidate that says some things that they like and is making the rounds on social media. I mean, Bernie is much more than that (I've reiterated that even though I support Hillary over him I have the utmost respect for him), but a good chunk of his support knows him more as a meme than a candidate. When he crashes (if he crashes) it'll be hard I think.
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
October 19 2015 20:23 GMT
#48428
I wish Biden would run. I'm skeptical of sanders in terms of ability to win/get anything done and I'm meh on Hilary. right now I'm probably not going to vote in the primary. If Biden went in I'd vote for him in a second
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23619 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 20:33:43
October 19 2015 20:31 GMT
#48429
But anyways, lots of sources are saying Biden is going to announce his candidacy for Pres in the next 24-48 hours.

Personally, I think a Biden ticket siphons most of its votes from the Hillary camp. Sander's supporters are more cemented in their support, I feel. So, Biden running could be the thing that really sets up a victory for Sanders.


Every poll indicates the majority of Biden's support comes from what would otherwise be Clinton supporters. It's somewhere between 2:1 and 4:1 nationally as far as pulling from Clinton vs Sanders.

The big thing Biden entering would do is jump up those numbers of Democrats watching the debate and possibly turn a 50-30-10-10 race into a 30-30-30-10 race.

Personally I don't see how Joe gets the next 10-15 points (at least beyond an announcement bump) but I see people online (never in person) claim he's got untapped support out there so if they are right that's where it heads. Anyone supporting Bernie beyond something like "He's the candidate I hate least" isn't going anywhere. so I don't see Bernie slipping more than a few points no matter how well Biden does, whereas I could see Biden eating up ~1/2 of Clinton's supporters.

I have to say Biden getting in despite how it looks makes me think there's going to be something reasonably scandalous for Clinton coming out timed with Biden's announcement.

Electorally speaking the big thing about Biden if he got in is he could split up the black democrat vote enough in SC for Bernie's coalition to be enough to win putting a giant hole in Hillary's "firewall".

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
October 19 2015 22:21 GMT
#48430
lomo CIA and DHS director email hacked.
Shoulda used a private server /s
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11409 Posts
October 19 2015 22:43 GMT
#48431
I liked Biden in the 08 campaign, and was happy he got picked for VP. I would personally would see Biden over Hillary or Bernie. He's gaffe prone, but he's also a keep it real guy... which works quite well if you are up against a Trump in the end. Just two guys, keep'n it real. I'm being a little facetious, but as the zeitgeist of this year's election is for the unfiltered, you have that in Biden, but I think in a classier way.

Mind you, the strange thing with about the unfiltered part, is up in Canada you are seeing candidates dropping left, right, and centre due to one or two misteps on social media, etc. I do not envy the life of a politician.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22078 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 22:46:09
October 19 2015 22:45 GMT
#48432
On October 20 2015 07:43 Falling wrote:
I liked Biden in the 08 campaign, and was happy he got picked for VP. I would personally would see Biden over Hillary or Bernie. He's gaffe prone, but he's also a keep it real guy... which works quite well if you are up against a Trump in the end. Just two guys, keep'n it real. I'm being a little facetious, but as the zeitgeist of this year's election is for the unfiltered, you have that in Biden, but I think in a classier way.

Mind you, the strange thing with about the unfiltered part, is up in Canada you are seeing candidates dropping left, right, and centre due to one or two misteps on social media, etc. I do not envy the life of a politician.

If your in a position where missteps in social media are bad for your career, maybe you should not be on social media.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
October 19 2015 23:47 GMT
#48433
On October 20 2015 07:45 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2015 07:43 Falling wrote:
I liked Biden in the 08 campaign, and was happy he got picked for VP. I would personally would see Biden over Hillary or Bernie. He's gaffe prone, but he's also a keep it real guy... which works quite well if you are up against a Trump in the end. Just two guys, keep'n it real. I'm being a little facetious, but as the zeitgeist of this year's election is for the unfiltered, you have that in Biden, but I think in a classier way.

Mind you, the strange thing with about the unfiltered part, is up in Canada you are seeing candidates dropping left, right, and centre due to one or two misteps on social media, etc. I do not envy the life of a politician.

If your in a position where missteps in social media are bad for your career, maybe you should not be on social media.


Yeahhh except in this day and age you cant not have a social media presence either in this specific position.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
October 19 2015 23:50 GMT
#48434
I don't know, is social media this relevant for American politicians?
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 20 2015 00:19 GMT
#48435
for irrelevant a year before election fluff sure
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23619 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-20 00:40:05
October 20 2015 00:39 GMT
#48436
Realistically, a popular tweet probably gets more eyeballs than anything on cspan ever. So it's like the head-on commercial in that it's something that shouldn't work but #merica

This is a legit American commercial (That's how it aired, that's not a spoof or anything)



+ Show Spoiler +
HeadOn is logging some heady growth rates -- 234% from 2005 to 2006. And for the first half of 2007, the brand looks to be on track to double sales. HeadOn ranks No. 9 in the external-analgesics-rubs category and logged $6.5 million in sales last year, up from just $1.9 million in 2005, according to Information Resources Inc. That's not including Wal-Mart, who is "one of our biggest customers" Mr. Charron said.


Source

As of September 2000, there were two versions of HeadOn available in makets/stores: "ExtraStrength and Migraine". Chemical analysis of the Migraine formulation has shown that the product consists almost entirely of wax. The three "active ingredients" are iris versicolor 12× (a toxic flower), white bryony 12× (a type of toxic vine), and potassium dichromate 6× (a known carcinogen). The "×" notation indicates that the three chemicals have been diluted to 1 part per trillion, 1 part per trillion, and 1 part per million respectively.[10] This amount of dilution is so great that the product has been described as a placebo;[11] with skeptic James Randi calling it a "major medical swindle".[10] The formula for the Extra Strength version of the product is the same as the Migraine except that it excludes the iris versicolor.


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"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 20 2015 00:48 GMT
#48437
it appears that biden and webb are the only democrat candidates who might support the TPP. quite sad
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
October 20 2015 01:29 GMT
#48438
The TPP should be burnt in the public square.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Fighter
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1531 Posts
October 20 2015 02:38 GMT
#48439
On October 20 2015 07:43 Falling wrote:
Just two guys, keep'n it real. .


Sounds like a great sit com. I admit it would be pretty fun to see those two debate. Probably more entertaining than Trump vs. Hillary.
For Aiur???
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 20 2015 02:45 GMT
#48440
On October 20 2015 10:29 IgnE wrote:
The TPP should be burnt in the public square.

you'll be enjoying the bric version of the tpp then
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
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