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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
June 29 2015 21:13 GMT
#41421
quick question about the supreme court. anyone know what happens if a justice recuses themselves and the remaining justices end up in a 4-4 split?
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Mercy13
Profile Joined January 2011
United States718 Posts
June 29 2015 21:14 GMT
#41422
I don't think they would let that happen, but I'm not an expert on the Court's history. There have been a couple times they haven't had a majority opinion, just multiple concurring opinions, and had to go with the plurality decision, however.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18820 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-29 21:26:34
June 29 2015 21:24 GMT
#41423
On June 30 2015 05:56 LuckyFool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2015 05:34 farvacola wrote:
Yeah, like when Walker signed a bill into law that weakened Wisconsin's gun laws.......on the day of the Charleston Massacre. Does that count as a carry-on or should Walker just go ahead and check that?


I don't really follow this. What should he have done? wait a day before signing the bill? gun laws had nothing to do with the Charleston Massacre.

This is a national election, dawg. Whether or not gun laws have anything to do with an act of mass violence is not the primary question.

Also, lol at "nothing to do." Your expertise on America's problem with gun violence speaks for itself.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
June 29 2015 21:45 GMT
#41424
On June 30 2015 06:24 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2015 05:56 LuckyFool wrote:
On June 30 2015 05:34 farvacola wrote:
Yeah, like when Walker signed a bill into law that weakened Wisconsin's gun laws.......on the day of the Charleston Massacre. Does that count as a carry-on or should Walker just go ahead and check that?


I don't really follow this. What should he have done? wait a day before signing the bill? gun laws had nothing to do with the Charleston Massacre.

This is a national election, dawg. Whether or not gun laws have anything to do with an act of mass violence is not the primary question.

Also, lol at "nothing to do." Your expertise on America's problem with gun violence speaks for itself.

Didn't he get the gun illegally?
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13822 Posts
June 29 2015 21:52 GMT
#41425
On June 30 2015 06:45 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2015 06:24 farvacola wrote:
On June 30 2015 05:56 LuckyFool wrote:
On June 30 2015 05:34 farvacola wrote:
Yeah, like when Walker signed a bill into law that weakened Wisconsin's gun laws.......on the day of the Charleston Massacre. Does that count as a carry-on or should Walker just go ahead and check that?


I don't really follow this. What should he have done? wait a day before signing the bill? gun laws had nothing to do with the Charleston Massacre.

This is a national election, dawg. Whether or not gun laws have anything to do with an act of mass violence is not the primary question.

Also, lol at "nothing to do." Your expertise on America's problem with gun violence speaks for itself.

Didn't he get the gun illegally?

But even if he did or didn't that would still have to do with gun laws having something to do with it.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7222 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-29 21:53:56
June 29 2015 21:52 GMT
#41426
On June 30 2015 06:13 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
quick question about the supreme court. anyone know what happens if a justice recuses themselves and the remaining justices end up in a 4-4 split?


If there is a tie, the lower court ruling stands. It doesn't create nationwide legal precedent though.
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Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
June 29 2015 21:54 GMT
#41427
On June 30 2015 06:13 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
quick question about the supreme court. anyone know what happens if a justice recuses themselves and the remaining justices end up in a 4-4 split?


The ruling of a lower court is upheld (i.e. state). I also believe a joint decision is written rather than a majority/minority.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
June 29 2015 22:22 GMT
#41428
One of many fixes I'd like to put in: have a 10th justice who only rules if there would otherwise be an even number of justices (i.e. an odd number of justices recused themselves or something).
Then the problem of 4-4 rulings would be incredibly rare.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
June 29 2015 22:23 GMT
#41429
On June 30 2015 05:34 farvacola wrote:
Yeah, like when Walker signed a bill into law that weakened Wisconsin's gun laws.......on the day of the Charleston Massacre. Does that count as a carry-on or should Walker just go ahead and check that?


Anyone who thinks that Scott Walker has legitimate appeal and has some kind of shot at winning is off their rocker. The man has put his state on the fast track to being a complete economic wreck by working solely for the interests of businesses. When you compare it to Minnesota right next door, which has a fantastic economy while working under a DFL governor and (until recently) a DFL Senate and House, then he just looks even worse.

If, by some miracle, he won the Republican nomination, he would get destroyed in the general election.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23019 Posts
June 29 2015 22:43 GMT
#41430
WASHINGTON -- It only took five months before the top donor to candidates, political party committees and political action committees in 2015 surpassed the giving of all top donors from the previous election cycle. This radical change in the amounts a single donor can give is all thanks to new contribution limits Congress slipped into the end-of-year omnibus budget legislation passed in December.

Warren Stephens, the owner of the Arkansas-based investment firm Stephens Inc., has given at least $800,000 in limited contributions to candidates, party committees and PACs through the end of May, according to a review of Federal Election Commission records. This total only includes contributions to committees accepting limited contributions (known as “hard money”) and excludes unlimited super PAC donations (known as “soft money”).

A perennial top donor to Republican Party politicians and political committees, Stephens gave $265,400 to politicians, party committees and PACs in 2014, which made him among the top 100 donors that year, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. His $800,000 tops the more than $570,000 that hedge fund billionaire Paul Singer gave over the entire 2014 election cycle. (These totals don't even include giving to candidates after March, as the next disclosure date for candidates is July 15.)

This dramatic rise in individuals' limited contributions is a consequence of the creation of new party fundraising accounts for the six national party committees included in the spending bill.

The omnibus spending bill created a new account for building expenses within all six committees, and another for expenses related to a party nominating convention for the Democratic National Committee and Republican National Committee. It also expanded the limits to the recount accounts held by all six. While donors are limited to giving $33,400 per year to a national party committee, the limits for these new or expanded accounts were set at $100,200. In total, a single donor can now give $801,600 per year to the party of their choice.

Donor giving has also increased thanks to the 2013 McCutcheon v. FEC ruling that invalidated aggregate campaign contributions limits. Previously, donors were capped from giving more than $123,300 in one election cycle to candidates, party committees and PACs. (These limits did not apply to super PAC giving.)


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Freeeeeedooooooooommmm!!
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
June 29 2015 22:46 GMT
#41431
Somebody remind me why the GOP is suddenly accountable for this clown? http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-donation-history-shows-democratic-favoritism/2011/04/25/AFDUddtE_story.html

Also, reminder, the birther conspiracy was started by Democrat supporters of Hillary.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23019 Posts
June 29 2015 22:56 GMT
#41432
On June 30 2015 07:46 Jerubaal wrote:
Somebody remind me why the GOP is suddenly accountable for this clown? http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-donation-history-shows-democratic-favoritism/2011/04/25/AFDUddtE_story.html

Also, reminder, the birther conspiracy was started by Democrat supporters of Hillary.


He's in second place for the GOP nomination in New Hampshire?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
lastpuritan
Profile Joined December 2014
United States540 Posts
June 30 2015 00:39 GMT
#41433
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-kkk-propaganda-whittier-20150628-story.html

The distribution of white supremacist propaganda in Whittier follows similar incidents in Orange County. Last week, about 100 homes in Fullerton received KKK fliers – also inside plastic bags with a rock and a piece of candy – criticizing blacks, Latinos and Jewish people, according to Fullerton police Sgt. Kathryn Hamel.


zf
Profile Joined April 2011
231 Posts
June 30 2015 01:48 GMT
#41434
On June 30 2015 06:13 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
quick question about the supreme court. anyone know what happens if a justice recuses themselves and the remaining justices end up in a 4-4 split?


The lower court decision is affirmed, and the opinion with the "narrowest" holding controls. Good luck determining which one that is.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 30 2015 03:49 GMT
#41435
On June 30 2015 06:13 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
quick question about the supreme court. anyone know what happens if a justice recuses themselves and the remaining justices end up in a 4-4 split?

These days the supremes are acting like a legislature, so I would presume that'd be the Vice President in his Article 1 role.
Kidding...

On June 30 2015 05:56 LuckyFool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2015 05:34 farvacola wrote:
Yeah, like when Walker signed a bill into law that weakened Wisconsin's gun laws.......on the day of the Charleston Massacre. Does that count as a carry-on or should Walker just go ahead and check that?


I don't really follow this. What should he have done? wait a day before signing the bill? gun laws had nothing to do with the Charleston Massacre.

Pretty much this. His supporters aren't fazed by psychological connections between weapons used peacefully and those used unlawfully.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23019 Posts
June 30 2015 03:54 GMT
#41436
I'm going to call it now that if Trump lasts at least until the first debate stage then Jeb Bush 100% gets the Republican Nomination.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 30 2015 04:59 GMT
#41437
The Supreme Court's decision on Monday to uphold the constitutionality of Arizona's independent redistricting commission has some hoping their model could now pave the way for other states to adopt a less partisan way of drawing congressional lines.

"There are a lot of efforts around the country to try and get commissions enacted, and now I think those efforts are going to go full-steam ahead," said Nicholas Stephanopoulos, a law professor at the University of Chicago who studies elections and redistricting. "Now that the Constitution has been cleaned up, the green light is definitely visible through this."


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Notorious RBG strikes again for justice and democracy.
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bookwyrm
Profile Joined March 2014
United States722 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-30 06:40:33
June 30 2015 06:39 GMT
#41438
On June 29 2015 10:12 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2015 09:45 KwarK wrote:
On June 29 2015 07:25 Nyxisto wrote:
On June 29 2015 07:00 KwarK wrote:
On June 29 2015 04:43 Yoav wrote:
On June 29 2015 03:57 KwarK wrote:
On June 28 2015 08:12 Paljas wrote:
On June 28 2015 08:00 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On June 28 2015 07:52 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 28 2015 07:43 killa_robot wrote:
[quote]

Doesn't change the fact that people are overacting here. I agree the flag should be removed from government properties (not sure why it was allowed to begin with), but people are blowing things way out of proportion.

Some crazy guy spouts racist crap and shoots up a church, and suddenly the confederate flag is too racist to fly anymore? It shouldn't have been flying to begin with, but that's the sort of connection that was made?

How was the flag even brought up? Did the crazy guy have some connection with one?


Not sure if it can be simply explained to someone from another country?

Yes he did have a connection.

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There's more if you look.

It's not "suddenly too racist", suddenly the racists aren't powerful enough to keep flying it.

Not everyone who likes the flag is racist though. Yes racists do adhere to it as a symbol, and therefore it is a problem, but a lot of people also identify with that flag and the Confederacy because that's the side that their ancestors fought for.

My ancestors fought for Hitler.
Maybe some peole shouldn't admire their ancestors

I dunno, vast majority of Germans fought for Germany. Also most soldiers in that war were colossal racists. You can still honour the dead although there is a cutoff when you're Japanese and honouring war criminals.


There's a difference between "honoring dead" (or empathizing with soldiers in a shitty situation) and flying the flag of a wicked cause that decent people may have gotten caught up in though family or national loyalty. Would it honor the German war dead to fly the Nazi flag? No, it would dishonor them by celebrating the evil that caused their suffering and death. The same is true of the Confederates. And let's be real, if the Confederacy had lasted to the 1940s, it wouldn't have been on the right side of that war.

I don't disagree. I was just arguing that Germans weren't necessarily fighting for Nazism and Nazism didn't have a monopoly on distasteful racial views. You can honour your WW2 German veterans without invoking Nazism and the Nazi flag.

Not really. Almost all people here who had grand- or great-grandparents fighting in the war either don't talk about it or condemn it. The war shrine stuff that Japan has would be completely unthinkable. If you're honouring ww2 war veterans here there's a 99% chance that you're a far-right history revisionist.

That sucks. Your average German soldier was, I suspect, motivated by the exact same things as the Russian, British and American soldiers. If anything as members of the military they were more removed from Nazi society and politics than civilians.


Idk, I'm not comfortable with shifting the guilt onto the leadership. I mean there will always be fanatic racists or rabid segregationists. To be guilty you need to be actually conscious about what is wrong, and I assume the average Nazi leader was about as aware of his wrongdoings as a rabid dog.

It's pretty much only the 'moderates' who can make a difference. If you're 'just doing your duty' but you're aware that what you're doing is wrong at that moment you become guilty. So I don't really think you can grant the average soldier or civilian an absolution.


How about the bankers and industrialists who bankrolled the nazis and got off with slaps on the wrist while their wehrmacht puppets took the fall at nuremberg? They took over all the jewish owned wealth and kept it after the war. You know, the guys who still own germany and the eu

damn right the bad guys won. Their names are standard oil and IG Farben
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23019 Posts
June 30 2015 19:23 GMT
#41439
Anyone looking for a laugh should check out #AskBobby lmao.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 30 2015 19:38 GMT
#41440
It's really sad that Bobby Jindal is basically on the same level as Trump.
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