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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 13 2015 05:46 GMT
#34501
But most serious scientists realize that global warming is a thing, and instead of putting a couple years banging their heads against a brick wall, they'll do a nice paper on how, Idunno, insects on a volcanic island in the Pacific are now bigger than they used to be because of the warmer temperature. Ecology is kinda boring.
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Sandvich
Profile Joined September 2011
United States57 Posts
March 13 2015 06:29 GMT
#34502
On March 13 2015 12:40 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 11:52 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 13 2015 11:46 Sandvich wrote:
On March 13 2015 11:00 hannahbelle wrote:
On March 13 2015 10:54 Reaper9 wrote:
In a way. The old generation may learn, but a new one will rise. Although the new generation can learn to be tolerant too. I'm just glad I can type like this, devoid of civil wars and massive loss of life unlike what is happening in other countries. There will always be someone who dislikes someone because of their physical attributes or affiliations in life. That's just how I see it as. Lessening racism is something I would love to see everyone strive towards, and we have made progress. But to wipe it out is impossible.

I'll keep an eye on this thread as I usually do, but this is the last time I will post in a while, good luck to you all. See you all in another 100 pages or so XD.

It will be impossible to eradicate as long as there are people on the left pushing the idea that racism is a one way street. Until people can have a conversation about racism in all colors of people you will just continue to see one side or the other polarize and dig in their heels on the issue.

Employment quotas, preferential college quotas, etc. do nothing to advance the idea of a color blind society devoid of racism. You can't solve discrimination with discrimination, no matter how justified or equitable you view that solution.

In order to have a color blind society we have to have a society in which every race has an equal opportunity to succeed. AA/ "preferential treatments" are a valid way to offer opportunities to help balance out life long discrimination, and move towards said color blind society.


Gotta remember that some republicans see academia as entirely corrupted by liberal agendas. They can't trust the scientific method, because it is being used by corrupted researchers. Instead, gut instinct is obviously going to be a lot more accurate than statistics.

Hold up on the hopping from conclusion to conclusion. One can accuse modern academia/intellectuals of pressing their political agendas first, and pursue scientific research second (bending and twisting to suit the agenda). The scientific method, on the other hand, is all about honest inquiry--so sliding that in is just dishonest arguing. I remember one of the more recent topics was the manipulation of 20th century historical climate data (just google if you want to read the allegations). That's all about starting with conclusions and fitting the data to support, not starting with hypotheses and testing them with the statistics.

If you find quotes for those Republicans talking about gut instinct over science, go put a face to them in an article. Both sides use caricatures of their opposition, and yours are particularly more witty or penetrating.


Do you mean the adjustment of temperatures from the 20th century to have a uniform measuring time? Climate data is taken in the morning now, whereas in years past it was recorded in the afternoon, causing earlier readings to appear warmer than their modern day counterparts. Unless your vague manipulation allegations were referring to something else?
"Stop Whining"
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-13 06:53:50
March 13 2015 06:49 GMT
#34503
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-13 07:25:48
March 13 2015 07:17 GMT
#34504
You certainly have to be careful with the data when doing temperature stuff. My adviser recently wrote a paper cautioning about the variation in recorded temperatures between closely located national weather stations when calculating accumulated degree days for estimating postmortem interval. So when doing such a large scale study ofc you want all the observations to be taken as similarly as possible.
Never Knows Best.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
March 13 2015 08:25 GMT
#34505
On March 13 2015 14:23 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 12:40 Danglars wrote:
On March 13 2015 11:52 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 13 2015 11:46 Sandvich wrote:
On March 13 2015 11:00 hannahbelle wrote:
On March 13 2015 10:54 Reaper9 wrote:
In a way. The old generation may learn, but a new one will rise. Although the new generation can learn to be tolerant too. I'm just glad I can type like this, devoid of civil wars and massive loss of life unlike what is happening in other countries. There will always be someone who dislikes someone because of their physical attributes or affiliations in life. That's just how I see it as. Lessening racism is something I would love to see everyone strive towards, and we have made progress. But to wipe it out is impossible.

I'll keep an eye on this thread as I usually do, but this is the last time I will post in a while, good luck to you all. See you all in another 100 pages or so XD.

It will be impossible to eradicate as long as there are people on the left pushing the idea that racism is a one way street. Until people can have a conversation about racism in all colors of people you will just continue to see one side or the other polarize and dig in their heels on the issue.

Employment quotas, preferential college quotas, etc. do nothing to advance the idea of a color blind society devoid of racism. You can't solve discrimination with discrimination, no matter how justified or equitable you view that solution.

In order to have a color blind society we have to have a society in which every race has an equal opportunity to succeed. AA/ "preferential treatments" are a valid way to offer opportunities to help balance out life long discrimination, and move towards said color blind society.


Gotta remember that some republicans see academia as entirely corrupted by liberal agendas. They can't trust the scientific method, because it is being used by corrupted researchers. Instead, gut instinct is obviously going to be a lot more accurate than statistics.

Hold up on the hopping from conclusion to conclusion. One can accuse modern academia/intellectuals of pressing their political agendas first, and pursue scientific research second (bending and twisting to suit the agenda). The scientific method, on the other hand, is all about honest inquiry--so sliding that in is just dishonest arguing. I remember one of the more recent topics was the manipulation of 20th century historical climate data (just google if you want to read the allegations). That's all about starting with conclusions and fitting the data to support, not starting with hypotheses and testing them with the statistics.

If you find quotes for those Republicans talking about gut instinct over science, go put a face to them in an article. Both sides use caricatures of their opposition, and yours are particularly more witty or penetrating.


It's not dishonest arguing. An overwhelming majority of climate scientists agree with human-created climate change. Disagreeing with that is disagreeing with science. If there were bias being applied, others would drool at the prospect of publishing contrary papers to gain citation count and notoriety. Proving popular opinion also helps when trying to publish in prestigious papers like nature. The idea that the scientific community is biased in favor of climate change is silly for many reasons, but the most pronounced is what a poor understanding of academia and the ruthlessly cannibalistic nature it expresses. Many scientists would have no problem going bankrupt if it meant fame and glory for proving a widely held view wrong. It just isn't wrong. If it was, we'd be past that by now. The statistics and atmospheric models have become quite good and have really clear conclusions.

I'm afraid disagreeing with a majority, even when somebody calls it an overwhelming majority, doesn't make it a disagreement with the scientific method or whatever definition of "science" you bring to the table. That's an opinion poll. You even suggest how foolish it is to believe that there's overriding conflicts of interest in impartial analysis. I mean seeing how you feel impelled to defend the peer review process, and proclaim the likelihood of contrarian jubilee, suggests how flimsy the census-science postulate really is. Slide from accusations anti-science (itself! And anti-scientific method!) to disbelief in current-day bias checking apparatus and self-critique.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
March 13 2015 08:34 GMT
#34506
On March 13 2015 15:29 Sandvich wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 12:40 Danglars wrote:
On March 13 2015 11:52 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 13 2015 11:46 Sandvich wrote:
On March 13 2015 11:00 hannahbelle wrote:
On March 13 2015 10:54 Reaper9 wrote:
In a way. The old generation may learn, but a new one will rise. Although the new generation can learn to be tolerant too. I'm just glad I can type like this, devoid of civil wars and massive loss of life unlike what is happening in other countries. There will always be someone who dislikes someone because of their physical attributes or affiliations in life. That's just how I see it as. Lessening racism is something I would love to see everyone strive towards, and we have made progress. But to wipe it out is impossible.

I'll keep an eye on this thread as I usually do, but this is the last time I will post in a while, good luck to you all. See you all in another 100 pages or so XD.

It will be impossible to eradicate as long as there are people on the left pushing the idea that racism is a one way street. Until people can have a conversation about racism in all colors of people you will just continue to see one side or the other polarize and dig in their heels on the issue.

Employment quotas, preferential college quotas, etc. do nothing to advance the idea of a color blind society devoid of racism. You can't solve discrimination with discrimination, no matter how justified or equitable you view that solution.

In order to have a color blind society we have to have a society in which every race has an equal opportunity to succeed. AA/ "preferential treatments" are a valid way to offer opportunities to help balance out life long discrimination, and move towards said color blind society.


Gotta remember that some republicans see academia as entirely corrupted by liberal agendas. They can't trust the scientific method, because it is being used by corrupted researchers. Instead, gut instinct is obviously going to be a lot more accurate than statistics.

Hold up on the hopping from conclusion to conclusion. One can accuse modern academia/intellectuals of pressing their political agendas first, and pursue scientific research second (bending and twisting to suit the agenda). The scientific method, on the other hand, is all about honest inquiry--so sliding that in is just dishonest arguing. I remember one of the more recent topics was the manipulation of 20th century historical climate data (just google if you want to read the allegations). That's all about starting with conclusions and fitting the data to support, not starting with hypotheses and testing them with the statistics.

If you find quotes for those Republicans talking about gut instinct over science, go put a face to them in an article. Both sides use caricatures of their opposition, and yours are particularly more witty or penetrating.


Do you mean the adjustment of temperatures from the 20th century to have a uniform measuring time? Climate data is taken in the morning now, whereas in years past it was recorded in the afternoon, causing earlier readings to appear warmer than their modern day counterparts. Unless your vague manipulation allegations were referring to something else?

I meant the massaging of data to fit a proposal. The article appeared in the telegraph, amongst others, but if you're having trouble finding and reading it, I can google once again and find it for you. As I said, I read about others investigating changed data, and I'm sorry you thought I personally was making such claims.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
March 13 2015 08:40 GMT
#34507
Its not like these figures are coming from polls of scientists. Reviewing the literature shows that something like 97% of surveyed scientific papers published that took a position on climate change supported the idea that humans are contributing to it. Now that doesn't tell you anything about the degree of the contribution, but it does tell you that scientific research has supported this notion.
Never Knows Best.
always_winter
Profile Joined February 2015
United States195 Posts
March 13 2015 12:38 GMT
#34508
I'd venture to guess more rational people would throw their hat in the ring with scientific evidence than some old guy holding a snowball in front of the Senate. If you're going to bet against science, then you'd better bring your own evidence to the table.

Shifting from this embarrassing discussion is a nice piece of political posturing:


The ability of the U.S. and Canadian military to defend North America could be jeopardized by stepped up Russian military activity, according to the commander of the North American Aerospace Defense Command.

Adm. William Gortney told the Senate Armed Services Committee on Thursday that Russia is continuing to work on its program to deploy "long-range conventionally armed cruise missiles," that can be launched from its bomber aircraft, submarines and warships. This is giving the Kremlin "deterrent" options "short of the nuclear threshold," Gortney said.


source

As someone with far less experience than him (but also less far less political motivation), I fully disagree with his appraisal of Russian projection, particularly in regard to North America's own deterrent capability, but it's clear many high-ranking military officials disagree with Obama's approach to Russia and the war in Ukraine, which is certainly the larger picture and the Russian posturing in allied airspace argument is nothing more than framing for the sake of American national security. The image in the article is a British Typhoon (state-of-the-art) escorting a Russian Tu-95 (state-of-.....WW2).
coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
March 13 2015 14:03 GMT
#34509
Not a contradiction per se, but every time we take a close look at America's nuclear preparedness and its defense to external attack, it is a series of embarrassments.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 13 2015 14:06 GMT
#34510
yea it's pretty bad, but they've recently been trying to wake up.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17965 Posts
March 13 2015 14:40 GMT
#34511
Isn't mutually assured destruction still a thing? If Russia truly launches a missile into US or other NATO territory then all hell will break loose. If, in addition, it is impossible to discern between nuclear and non-nuclear weapons until they explode, then retaliatory nukes will already be in the air before it lands, and the whole world will be completely fucked. I hope you all played a lot of Wasteland or Fallout, because that will be the world from then onwards (assuming you are one of the "lucky" survivors).

So yeah, sure, Russia has the ability to strike US territory, but they have had that ability since early in the 1950s. Why is them getting even better rockets a big deal? What is a big deal is obviously Russia's newly belligerent tone and general assertiveness, which I guess we have gotten used to not having to deal with over the last 20+ years.
coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
March 13 2015 15:29 GMT
#34512
I recommend reading Zaloga's book the Kremlin's Nuclear Sword. It gets into the details of Russian nuclear strategy.

Mutually assured destruction is still a thing. In fact, for Russia it is the only thing because they are hopelessly outclassed in jets and bombers against NATO. It is pretty much impossible for the Russians to achieve air superiority against the US, and they've always shuddered in fear when watching what US air superiority has enabled it to do to Germany, Japan, North Korea, Vietnam, Serbia, and Iraq.

Russia's superiority has since the 80s been in rocket forces and its strategy of destroying Allied cities faster than the Allies would be willing to mobilize and retaliate. Improving their rockets signals that they are thinking about this strategy again, which only leads to totally unacceptable results.
hannahbelle
Profile Joined April 2014
United States0 Posts
March 13 2015 15:41 GMT
#34513
On March 13 2015 17:40 Slaughter wrote:
Its not like these figures are coming from polls of scientists. Reviewing the literature shows that something like 97% of surveyed scientific papers published that took a position on climate change supported the idea that humans are contributing to it. Now that doesn't tell you anything about the degree of the contribution, but it does tell you that scientific research has supported this notion.

Or more accurately, just tells you about publishing rates.
always_winter
Profile Joined February 2015
United States195 Posts
March 13 2015 15:45 GMT
#34514
Very good points being raised here.

The GMD missile-defense system is largely still in development, but currently only boasts a 53% kill ratio (9 of 17 missiles intercepted). This is a stationary ground-based weapons system (i.e., missiles pop out of silos on air force bases, typically in California or Alaska) and is heavily-scrutinized for going operational prior to adequate testing. There's not a lot of literature surrounding it, however, so it's hard to get a good read of the efficacy of this program as it remains at least partially concealed.

The United States still possesses immense anti-missile capability, however, primarily in the form of the Aegis Combat System attached to an incredible armada of missile guided destroyers currently deployed around the world. The Patriot missile systems are an additional mobile deterrent and work in conjunction with other ABM systems. Together these systems create a quite formidable missile defense, however it is not 100% accurate and the world has already seen what a single atomic bomb made in the 1940's can do to an entire city.

This raises the concept of MAD, mutually-assured destruction, which posits any two nations with second-strike capability (i.e., the ability to absorb a strategic nuclear attack and still possess enough nuclear warheads to respond in kind), will not engage in atomic warfare with one another for fear of self-survival.

The real kicker, however, and what actually makes the succession of these comments quite interesting, is that the entire premise of MAD is based upon Cold War-era capabilities, which did not include the existence of ABM systems. The premise, of course, remains, and still applies widely to a 21st-century context, but as the ABM systems develop more and become more effective, a state actor may consider a nuclear attack upon a nation with second-strike capability with the assurance that the retaliatory strike would be nullified by advanced weapons systems.
Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
March 13 2015 15:48 GMT
#34515
On March 14 2015 00:41 hannahbelle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 17:40 Slaughter wrote:
Its not like these figures are coming from polls of scientists. Reviewing the literature shows that something like 97% of surveyed scientific papers published that took a position on climate change supported the idea that humans are contributing to it. Now that doesn't tell you anything about the degree of the contribution, but it does tell you that scientific research has supported this notion.

Or more accurately, just tells you about publishing rates.

No, a collection of data measuring the length of time for each part of the research and publishing processes and an accompanying analysis of the differences or similarities between them would tell you about publishing rates. But hey, maybe I'm giving you too much credit.
Capitalism is beneficial for people who work harder than other people. Under capitalism the only way to make more money is to work harder then your competitors whether they be other companies or workers. ~ Vegetarian
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 13 2015 15:52 GMT
#34516
the use of nuclear weapons even as a first strike option is just so destructive it will constitute a vast expansion of war aim. geopolitical wrangling is more about limited objectives than blowing up the opposite 'nation' and i just don't see it happening unless we revert to the glorious 18th century.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 13 2015 16:05 GMT
#34517
Federal health officials were advised in 2009 that a formula used to pay private Medicare plans triggered widespread billing errors and overcharges that have since wasted billions of tax dollars, newly released government records show.

Privately run Medicare Advantage plans offer an alternative to standard Medicare, which pays doctors for each service they render. Under Medicare Advantage, the federal government pays the private health plans a set monthly fee for each patient based on a formula known as a risk score, which is supposed to measure the state of their health. Sicker patients merit higher rates than those in good health.

The program is a good fit for many seniors. Some 16 million people have signed up—about a third of people eligible for Medicare—and more are expected to follow. Supporters argue that Medicare Advantage improves care while costing members less out of pocket than standard Medicare. The Medicare Advantage industry is lobbying hard to block budget cuts sought by the Obama administration.

Medicare Advantage plans are "clearly an important force to be reckoned with when it comes to making public policy," said Dr. Robert Berenson, a former government health official, who is now at The Urban Institute.

But overspending tied to rising risk scores has cost taxpayers billions of dollars in recent years, as the Center for Public Integrity reported in a series of articles published last year. Earlier this week, the Government Accountability Office estimated "improper payments" to Medicare Advantage plans at more than $12 billion in 2014.

Concerns that some health plans overstate how sick their patients are date back years, according to records recently released to the Center for Public Integrity under the Freedom of Information Act.

The documents include an unpublished study commissioned by the agency that runs Medicare, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, and dated Sept. 29, 2009; the study tracked growth in risk scores starting in 2004, the year after Congress created the billing tool.

The study found that risk scores for Medicare Advantage enrollees grew twice as fast between 2004 and 2008 as they would have had the same person remained in standard Medicare. The study said it was "extremely unlikely" that people who enrolled in the plans actually got sicker and noted that coding inflation "results in inappropriate payment levels."

The lead author was Richard Kronick, then a researcher at the University of California, San Diego. Kronick now heads the federal Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, a research arm of the Department of Health and Human Services. He had no comment. Other authors listed included three CMS employees.

A CMS spokesman said on Thursday that the agency sought to publish the findings on a government run research site, but was told it needed to be "substantially shortened" to be considered. "Given competing workload demands we were not able to revise and resubmit the article," the official said in a statement.

The study cited diabetes as an example of the billing problem.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
hannahbelle
Profile Joined April 2014
United States0 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-13 16:37:31
March 13 2015 16:32 GMT
#34518
On March 14 2015 00:48 Jormundr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2015 00:41 hannahbelle wrote:
On March 13 2015 17:40 Slaughter wrote:
Its not like these figures are coming from polls of scientists. Reviewing the literature shows that something like 97% of surveyed scientific papers published that took a position on climate change supported the idea that humans are contributing to it. Now that doesn't tell you anything about the degree of the contribution, but it does tell you that scientific research has supported this notion.

Or more accurately, just tells you about publishing rates.

No, a collection of data measuring the length of time for each part of the research and publishing processes and an accompanying analysis of the differences or similarities between them would tell you about publishing rates. But hey, maybe I'm giving you too much credit.

No, I'm not sure what you are doing. Equating the amount of published reports with the amount of aggregate scientific research is false. All it tells you is the rate of publishing a type of research is skewed in that direction.


MIAMI (AP) — Talk show host Rodner Figueroa was fired from Univision after saying that Michelle Obama looks like someone from the cast of "Planet of the Apes."

Figueroa, who's known for his biting fashion commentary, made his remarks during a live segment of the show "El Gordo y la Flaca" in which the hosts were commenting on a viral video that shows a makeup artist transforming himself into different celebrities, including Michelle Obama.

"Well, watch out, you know that Michelle Obama looks like she's from the cast of 'Planet of the Apes,' the movie," Figueroa, 42, said with a giggle.

When hostess Lili Estefan countered with "What are you saying?" and host Raul de Molina said Obama was very attractive, Figueroa defended his remark, saying "but it is true."

In a statement, Univision called Figueroa's comments "completely reprehensible" and said they "in no way reflect the values or opinions of Univision."

Figueroa, who in 2014 won a Daytime Emmy Award, did not respond to requests for comment Thursday. He worked for Univision for 17 years and had been on "El Gordo y la Flaca" since 2000.


Source

I demand an immediate investigation by the DoJ into the racism present at Univision.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17965 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-13 16:44:57
March 13 2015 16:43 GMT
#34519
On March 14 2015 00:45 always_winter wrote:
Very good points being raised here.

The GMD missile-defense system is largely still in development, but currently only boasts a 53% kill ratio (9 of 17 missiles intercepted). This is a stationary ground-based weapons system (i.e., missiles pop out of silos on air force bases, typically in California or Alaska) and is heavily-scrutinized for going operational prior to adequate testing. There's not a lot of literature surrounding it, however, so it's hard to get a good read of the efficacy of this program as it remains at least partially concealed.

The United States still possesses immense anti-missile capability, however, primarily in the form of the Aegis Combat System attached to an incredible armada of missile guided destroyers currently deployed around the world. The Patriot missile systems are an additional mobile deterrent and work in conjunction with other ABM systems. Together these systems create a quite formidable missile defense, however it is not 100% accurate and the world has already seen what a single atomic bomb made in the 1940's can do to an entire city.

This raises the concept of MAD, mutually-assured destruction, which posits any two nations with second-strike capability (i.e., the ability to absorb a strategic nuclear attack and still possess enough nuclear warheads to respond in kind), will not engage in atomic warfare with one another for fear of self-survival.

The real kicker, however, and what actually makes the succession of these comments quite interesting, is that the entire premise of MAD is based upon Cold War-era capabilities, which did not include the existence of ABM systems. The premise, of course, remains, and still applies widely to a 21st-century context, but as the ABM systems develop more and become more effective, a state actor may consider a nuclear attack upon a nation with second-strike capability with the assurance that the retaliatory strike would be nullified by advanced weapons systems.


Well, I am still assuming that the US has moved past the idea of first-strike using nukes and will be the country retaliating after a nuclear attack by Russia (the scenario we were discussing). While Russia does have ABM, their system is nowhere near as advanced as Star Wars, and even that system is only partially functional. So from a policy point of view, ABM can be pretty much disregarded.

And even Putin is not a sufficently power crazy madman that he would accept being carpet bombed by nukes as an acceptable collateral for having wiped out the imperial Americans.
hannahbelle
Profile Joined April 2014
United States0 Posts
March 13 2015 17:49 GMT
#34520
On March 14 2015 01:43 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2015 00:45 always_winter wrote:
Very good points being raised here.

The GMD missile-defense system is largely still in development, but currently only boasts a 53% kill ratio (9 of 17 missiles intercepted). This is a stationary ground-based weapons system (i.e., missiles pop out of silos on air force bases, typically in California or Alaska) and is heavily-scrutinized for going operational prior to adequate testing. There's not a lot of literature surrounding it, however, so it's hard to get a good read of the efficacy of this program as it remains at least partially concealed.

The United States still possesses immense anti-missile capability, however, primarily in the form of the Aegis Combat System attached to an incredible armada of missile guided destroyers currently deployed around the world. The Patriot missile systems are an additional mobile deterrent and work in conjunction with other ABM systems. Together these systems create a quite formidable missile defense, however it is not 100% accurate and the world has already seen what a single atomic bomb made in the 1940's can do to an entire city.

This raises the concept of MAD, mutually-assured destruction, which posits any two nations with second-strike capability (i.e., the ability to absorb a strategic nuclear attack and still possess enough nuclear warheads to respond in kind), will not engage in atomic warfare with one another for fear of self-survival.

The real kicker, however, and what actually makes the succession of these comments quite interesting, is that the entire premise of MAD is based upon Cold War-era capabilities, which did not include the existence of ABM systems. The premise, of course, remains, and still applies widely to a 21st-century context, but as the ABM systems develop more and become more effective, a state actor may consider a nuclear attack upon a nation with second-strike capability with the assurance that the retaliatory strike would be nullified by advanced weapons systems.


Well, I am still assuming that the US has moved past the idea of first-strike using nukes and will be the country retaliating after a nuclear attack by Russia (the scenario we were discussing). While Russia does have ABM, their system is nowhere near as advanced as Star Wars, and even that system is only partially functional. So from a policy point of view, ABM can be pretty much disregarded.

And even Putin is not a sufficently power crazy madman that he would accept being carpet bombed by nukes as an acceptable collateral for having wiped out the imperial Americans.

Does the Ayatholla feel the same way? I'm not sure if bet my kids my lives on it.
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