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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On March 14 2018 02:10 xDaunt wrote: Only an imbecile would think that Trump has no vision. He very clearly does. Whether you agree with that vision is another story. Which is...? | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10966 Posts
On March 14 2018 02:06 xDaunt wrote: Y'all are missing the point on what's going on with Trump. He's cleaning house because he's ready to go full Trump and put in people who are ready to help him realize his vision. He's had a year to figure out how the presidency and politics work. He's learned what works and what doesn't work. Whom he needs and doesn't need. Now he's ready to act based on what he's learned. Or maybe he didn't and you just try to see this in the most positive light. You could be right, but what development mafe you confident enough to utter this a statement? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24387 Posts
On March 14 2018 02:10 xDaunt wrote: Only an imbecile would think that Trump has no vision. He very clearly does. Whether you agree with that vision is another story. Please, do tell us of this | ||
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Introvert
United States5044 Posts
On March 14 2018 02:08 GreenHorizons wrote: Democrats are so bad at this... lol. You really think Trump has a 'vision', or that this vision isn't idiotic? Uh, our policies towards Russia have been tough. I suspect that isn't the root of your criticism though. | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24387 Posts
On March 14 2018 02:15 Introvert wrote: Uh, our policies towards Russia have been tough. I suspect that isn't the root of your criticism though. Your suspicion is correct sir. On March 14 2018 02:15 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote: https://twitter.com/jpodhoretz/status/973603061552832515 also today https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/973574065041608704 this is way worse than those* if anyone is confused. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 14 2018 02:06 xDaunt wrote: Y'all are missing the point on what's going on with Trump. He's cleaning house because he's ready to go full Trump and put in people who are ready to help him realize his vision. He's had a year to figure out how the presidency and politics work. He's learned what works and what doesn't work. Whom he needs and doesn't need. Now he's ready to act based on what he's learned. This line would be more believable if it were actually Trump "cleaning house" but the number of people who have quit or been forced to resign outnumber those who he has an active part in getting rid of. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On March 14 2018 02:15 Introvert wrote: Uh, our policies towards Russia have been tough. I suspect that isn't the root of your criticism though. Did Trump refuse to sign a bunch of new sanctions against Russia recently? | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On March 14 2018 02:22 TheYango wrote: This line would be more believable if it were actually Trump "cleaning house" but the number of people who have quit or been forced to resign outnumber those who he has an active part in getting rid of. There's a difference between the lower level advisers (like a Hope Hicks) and the cabinet level advisers (like a Tillerson or a Cohn). The latter are the ones who really set policy, and those are the ones to watch in the coming months. I expect a lot of turnover. | ||
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Introvert
United States5044 Posts
On March 14 2018 02:24 iamthedave wrote: Did Trump refuse to sign a bunch of new sanctions against Russia recently? In one case recently he refused to take actions certain congressmen were demanding. He has done other things, though, most recent one I saw was more weapon sales to Ukraine. | ||
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Introvert
United States5044 Posts
On March 14 2018 02:32 xDaunt wrote: There's a difference between the lower level advisers (like a Hope Hicks) and the cabinet level advisers (like a Tillerson or a Cohn). The latter are the ones who really set policy, and those are the ones to watch in the coming months. I expect a lot of turnover. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24387 Posts
On March 14 2018 02:36 xDaunt wrote: And for all of the people who are acting shocked that I would dare suggest that Trump has a vision, did none of you actually pay attention to what Trump campaigned on? Perhaps you should finally start taking the man seriously instead of lapping up whatever bullshit MSNBC feeds you. He campaigned on a lot of things, firing people he hired wasn't really one of them. That's why people are wondering which bits and pieces from the campaign you are stringing together to imagine this 'vision' and also why you answered with that instead of the vision and whether you agree with it or not. Plus liberals are scrambling a little bit to make sense of how they can spin their former pro-russian SoS being replaced with an anti-Russia hawk as being orchestrated by the Kremlin. Not that it stopped some from just randomly insinuating it without any clarifying context whatsoever. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22661 Posts
On March 14 2018 02:36 xDaunt wrote: By all means keep pointing at vague things and expecting others to figure it out instead of putting yourself on the spot and actually naming Trumps plan that you think he is acting towards.And for all of the people who are acting shocked that I would dare suggest that Trump has a vision, did none of you actually pay attention to what Trump campaigned on? Perhaps you should finally start taking the man seriously instead of lapping up whatever bullshit MSNBC feeds you. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
I always expected that Tillerson, after having been accused of being Putin's friend and too close of a relationship to run the State Department (by CNN, Politico, Democratic Congressmen/women, the Democratic party, the NYT, MSNBC, WaPo), would be accused of being too tough on Russia for Trump if he ever got fired. I made out pretty good. I bet against people that said he'd be out by August, by Halloween, by Thanksgiving, and by Christmas (2 ppl) so that's some cash money. And there's still Hillary shills that can't find Hillary bad because "but Trump." If Trump's opponents don't up their game by 2020, he'll win re-election. | ||
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Howie_Dewitt
United States1416 Posts
On March 14 2018 02:36 xDaunt wrote: And for all of the people who are acting shocked that I would dare suggest that Trump has a vision, did none of you actually pay attention to what Trump campaigned on? Perhaps you should finally start taking the man seriously instead of lapping up whatever bullshit MSNBC feeds you. I'm finding you saying his incompetence going away because he's been learning how politics works as the part that's hard to believe. I know that he has ideas, even if I disagree; I just doubt him getting better at implementing them. | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
But didn't a ton of trump supporters go during the campaign that you had to take him seriously but not literally? as in he says a bunch of crazy shit but he would not actually do it. Now that he does the crazy shit we are all supposed to not be shocked because he has been saying it this whole time and we should have taking him literally at what he was saying | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
An America with less non-white immigrants. To enrich himself, his family, and friends off the office of the President. To get rid of anyone in his administration who would question him in public and make him look bad. To flail around with idiotic trade wars. To reverse all the Obama things. And so on and so forth. Now blend it all together with wild brazen incompetence and tadaaaa, you have the Trump vision. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On March 14 2018 02:22 TheYango wrote: This line would be more believable if it were actually Trump "cleaning house" but the number of people who have quit or been forced to resign outnumber those who he has an active part in getting rid of. Plus, he just took the swamp and stuck it in his 2020 campaign. IDK, when a guy gets dragged out so fast he can't even collect his jacket b/c of serious financial crimes, wew. If this was any other administration, there'd be a huge uproar/ investigation about how the guy was able to even get temporary clearance. On March 14 2018 02:10 xDaunt wrote: Only an imbecile would think that Trump has no vision. He very clearly does. Whether you agree with that vision is another story. I'll be interested to see how the execution of this vision will go. Based on his business record and his various attempts at an immigration freeze/ ban, not well though he'll certainly continue to do damage to the U.S. | ||
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