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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On March 14 2018 00:23 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: The new CIA director is a torturer btw https://www.propublica.org/article/cia-cables-detail-its-new-deputy-directors-role-in-torture Well, it's a good match for the pro-torture President. He's on record supporting waterboarding on more than one occasion. | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2655 Posts
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/13/russian-exile-nikolai-glushkov-found-dead-at-his-london-home | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22148 Posts
On March 14 2018 00:28 Introvert wrote: Yes, I'm sure we all remember her from over a decade ago. Maybe some. Anyways it seems like given all the concerns about experienced people in the Cabinet this isn't so bad. But maybe that's just my conservative/gop disposition showing  I don't have a hate on for the CIA generally.Because it can't be that people feel that certain branches of the government should work to keep each other in check and not have one be run by the other, like the departments responsible for diplomacy and foreign espionage. Or that people feel a certain way about those who are willing to oversee and coordinate torture. Nah, has to be the left hating on the CIA. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On March 14 2018 01:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Tuesday morning massacre. https://twitter.com/AP/status/973592726787756032 Dude.... not all of us can see twitter on our work comps... Don't use massacre like that! I was so worried that Muller had been fired for a second | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2655 Posts
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/03/13/ice-spokesman-resigns-over-false-statements-by-top-officials-about-calif-immigrant-arrests/ People are dropping like flies today. Tillerson, his aide, ICE spokesman, and one of Trump's aides all in this morning, wow. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On March 14 2018 01:20 IyMoon wrote: Dude.... not all of us can see twitter on our work comps... Don't use massacre like that! I was so worried that Muller had been fired for a second BREAKING: Officials: White House fires top Tillerson aide who contradicted account of secretary of state's dismissal. Also the Presidential aide had to resign due to being invested for serious financial crimes but was hired for Trump's reelection campaign. | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On March 14 2018 01:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Also the Presidential aide had to resign due to being invested for serious financial crimes but was hired for Trump's reelection campaign. I go on my phone to read all the tweets  But I appreciate you posting it in thread as well | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23743 Posts
I don't watch homeland too closely but I think they cover a bit of why that is beyond problematic. It would be one thing if it was just your run of the mill CIA warmonger taking over State, but someone like Pompeo with this pro-torture lackey taking over the CIA and someone as obliviously stupid as Trump at the head is probably the single worst thing to come out of the Trump administration to date. It basically indicates a shifting of focus away from more traditional corporate interests to a focus on the Military-industrial complex. Which is probably how he's carving out room for his 'anti-gun' domestic rhetoric. Sure some smaller domestic AR-15 manufactures may suffer, but the massive arms manufacturers will see profits soar. It's worth noting it's not just ceding control of State to the CIA, it's ceding it to the worst possible faction within the CIA. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9188 Posts
On March 14 2018 00:01 Doodsmack wrote: To be fair, 3 months isn't soon for this administration, that tweet was a deca-mooch ago | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
I'm just wondering because about 30% of the time I hear news about Trump it's him firing someone else. And is it just me, or is it that whenever he sends out a tweet along the lines of 'FAKE NEWS SAYS I WANT TO FIRE X BUT ITS ALL FAKE THEY'RE MY BESTIE' said person gets fired a little while later almost without exception? | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On March 14 2018 01:23 GreenHorizons wrote: I mean the state department and the CIA are basically the same group going forward from here. Presumably there some longtime folks still hanging around but the presumption about any future people placed into State by Pompeo is they are basically in line with CIA goals and methods. I don't watch homeland too closely but I think they cover a bit of why that is beyond problematic. It would be one thing if it was just your run of the mill CIA warmonger taking over State, but someone like Pompeo with this pro-torture lackey taking over the CIA and someone as obliviously stupid as Trump at the head is probably the single worst thing to come out of the Trump administration to date. It basically indicates a shifting of focus away from more traditional corporate interests to a focus on the Military-industrial complex. Which is probably how he's carving out room for his 'anti-gun' domestic rhetoric. Sure some smaller domestic AR-15 manufactures may suffer, but the massive arms manufacturers will see profits soar. It's worth noting it's not just ceding control of State to the CIA, it's ceding it to the worst possible faction within the CIA. Trump when asked about Tillerson firing specifically mentioned the Iran Deal and how Tillerson was ok with it, while Pompeo was 'always on the same wavelength'. So I expect more Iran warmongering soon. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On March 14 2018 01:39 iamthedave wrote: How many of the 'we have the best people' crowd have been fired now? This is an unusual body count for a Presidency, isn't it? It's not just foreign media focusing on the firings? I'm just wondering because about 30% of the time I hear news about Trump it's him firing someone else. And is it just me, or is it that whenever he sends out a tweet along the lines of 'FAKE NEWS SAYS I WANT TO FIRE X BUT ITS ALL FAKE THEY'RE MY BESTIE' said person gets fired a little while later almost without exception? yes, it's an unusual body count for a president, and one of the many signs of the massive dumpster fire. it's not just you that's noticed that, it's a noticed pattern many have remarked upon before. | ||
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Introvert
United States4921 Posts
On March 14 2018 01:44 ShoCkeyy wrote: So Tillerson blasted Russia yesterday for using a nerve agent on an ex Russian spy. Today Tillerson fired while WH still hasn't said anything about it. Not nothing. It just sounds like Trump is, amazingly, being cautious. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On March 13 2018 22:51 Plansix wrote: The only good thing about the CIA director running State is that he might know how our of his field he is and rely on the long time employees of State. But that is the only way I can see a bright side. It’s mostly just terrifying. Edit: Never mind, I forgot about this aspect of Pompeo. I hate to tell you, the State Dept has been pretty much gutted so that institutional knowledge and experience is pretty thin now. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23743 Posts
On March 14 2018 02:06 xDaunt wrote: Y'all are missing the point on what's going on with Trump. He's cleaning house because he's ready to go full Trump and put in people who are ready to help him realize his vision. He's had a year to figure out how the presidency and politics work. He's learned what works and what doesn't work. Whom he needs and doesn't need. Now he's ready to act based on what he's learned. lol. You really think Trump has a 'vision', or that this vision isn't idiotic? | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2655 Posts
On March 14 2018 02:06 xDaunt wrote: Y'all are missing the point on what's going on with Trump. He's cleaning house because he's ready to go full Trump and put in people who are ready to help him realize his vision. He's had a year to figure out how the presidency and politics work. He's learned what works and what doesn't work. Whom he needs and doesn't need. Now he's ready to act based on what he's learned. Everything about this post is amazing. Quoting for future reference. What is "full Trump" going to look like, do you imagine? Can I get some specifics? | ||
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