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Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-13 15:34:06
March 13 2018 15:33 GMT
#201041
On March 14 2018 00:23 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
The new CIA director is a torturer btw

https://www.propublica.org/article/cia-cables-detail-its-new-deputy-directors-role-in-torture

Show nested quote +
In August of 2002, interrogators at a secret CIA-run prison in Thailand set out to break a Palestinian man they believed was one of al-Qaida’s top leaders.

As the CIA’s video cameras rolled, security guards shackled Abu Zubaydah to a gurney and interrogators poured water over his mouth and nose until he began to suffocate. They slammed him against a wall, confined him for hours in a coffin-like box, and deprived him of sleep.

The 31-year-old Zubaydah begged for mercy, saying that he knew nothing about the terror group’s future plans. The CIA official in charge, known in agency lingo as the “chief of base,” mocked his complaints, accusing Zubaydah of faking symptoms of psychological breakdown. The torture continued.

When questions began to swirl about the Bush administration’s use of the “black sites,” and program of “enhanced interrogation,” the chief of base began pushing to have the tapes destroyed. She accomplished her mission years later when she rose to a senior position at CIA headquarters and drafted an order to destroy the evidence, which was still locked in a CIA safe at the American embassy in Thailand. Her boss, the head of the agency’s counterterrorism center, signed the order to feed the 92 tapes into a giant shredder.

By then, it was clear that CIA analysts were wrong when they had identified Zubaydah as the number three or four in al-Qaida after Osama bin Laden. The waterboarding failed to elicit valuable intelligence not because he was holding back, but because he was not a member of al-Qaida, and had no knowledge of any plots against the United States.

The chief of base’s role in this tale of pointless brutality and evidence destruction was a footnote to history — until earlier this month, when President Trump named her deputy director of the CIA.

Well, it's a good match for the pro-torture President. He's on record supporting waterboarding on more than one occasion.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2655 Posts
March 13 2018 15:38 GMT
#201042
Another Russian found dead in London. Cause of death is still unclear.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/13/russian-exile-nikolai-glushkov-found-dead-at-his-london-home
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 13 2018 15:41 GMT
#201043
Just wait until Putin decides some politicians in Ukraine need to be dealt with in a similar fashion. It’s only a matter of time.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21945 Posts
March 13 2018 15:57 GMT
#201044
On March 14 2018 00:28 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2018 00:14 Plansix wrote:
On March 14 2018 00:00 Introvert wrote:
We're all experts on this woman now?

But as CC said, and is right for once, Pompeo has been harder on Russia. Remember when Trump picked Tillerson that was also evidence that Trump was a Russian stooge. Now firing him too.

My guy, some of us were adults in 2005-2008 we all started to learn just to far the CIA went and when they ran around covering their tracks. None of the people in change of that time should still be at the CIA, let alone be promoted.



Yes, I'm sure we all remember her from over a decade ago. Maybe some.

Anyways it seems like given all the concerns about experienced people in the Cabinet this isn't so bad. But maybe that's just my conservative/gop disposition showing I don't have a hate on for the CIA generally.

Because it can't be that people feel that certain branches of the government should work to keep each other in check and not have one be run by the other, like the departments responsible for diplomacy and foreign espionage.

Or that people feel a certain way about those who are willing to oversee and coordinate torture.

Nah, has to be the left hating on the CIA.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 13 2018 16:17 GMT
#201045
Tuesday morning massacre.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
March 13 2018 16:20 GMT
#201046
On March 14 2018 01:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Tuesday morning massacre.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/973592726787756032


Dude.... not all of us can see twitter on our work comps...

Don't use massacre like that! I was so worried that Muller had been fired for a second
Something witty
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2655 Posts
March 13 2018 16:20 GMT
#201047
And another resignation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/03/13/ice-spokesman-resigns-over-false-statements-by-top-officials-about-calif-immigrant-arrests/

People are dropping like flies today. Tillerson, his aide, ICE spokesman, and one of Trump's aides all in this morning, wow.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-13 16:21:55
March 13 2018 16:21 GMT
#201048
On March 14 2018 01:20 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2018 01:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Tuesday morning massacre.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/973592726787756032


Dude.... not all of us can see twitter on our work comps...

Don't use massacre like that! I was so worried that Muller had been fired for a second


BREAKING: Officials: White House fires top Tillerson aide who contradicted account of secretary of state's dismissal.


Also the Presidential aide had to resign due to being invested for serious financial crimes but was hired for Trump's reelection campaign.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
March 13 2018 16:22 GMT
#201049
On March 14 2018 01:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2018 01:20 IyMoon wrote:
On March 14 2018 01:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Tuesday morning massacre.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/973592726787756032


Dude.... not all of us can see twitter on our work comps...

Don't use massacre like that! I was so worried that Muller had been fired for a second


Show nested quote +
BREAKING: Officials: White House fires top Tillerson aide who contradicted account of secretary of state's dismissal.


Also the Presidential aide had to resign due to being invested for serious financial crimes but was hired for Trump's reelection campaign.


I go on my phone to read all the tweets But I appreciate you posting it in thread as well
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23450 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-13 16:32:30
March 13 2018 16:23 GMT
#201050
I mean the state department and the CIA are basically the same group going forward from here. Presumably there some longtime folks still hanging around but the presumption about any future people placed into State by Pompeo is they are basically in line with CIA goals and methods.

I don't watch homeland too closely but I think they cover a bit of why that is beyond problematic. It would be one thing if it was just your run of the mill CIA warmonger taking over State, but someone like Pompeo with this pro-torture lackey taking over the CIA and someone as obliviously stupid as Trump at the head is probably the single worst thing to come out of the Trump administration to date.

It basically indicates a shifting of focus away from more traditional corporate interests to a focus on the Military-industrial complex. Which is probably how he's carving out room for his 'anti-gun' domestic rhetoric. Sure some smaller domestic AR-15 manufactures may suffer, but the massive arms manufacturers will see profits soar.

It's worth noting it's not just ceding control of State to the CIA, it's ceding it to the worst possible faction within the CIA.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9135 Posts
March 13 2018 16:35 GMT
#201051
On March 14 2018 00:01 Doodsmack wrote:


To be fair, 3 months isn't soon for this administration, that tweet was a deca-mooch ago
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
March 13 2018 16:39 GMT
#201052
How many of the 'we have the best people' crowd have been fired now? This is an unusual body count for a Presidency, isn't it? It's not just foreign media focusing on the firings?

I'm just wondering because about 30% of the time I hear news about Trump it's him firing someone else.

And is it just me, or is it that whenever he sends out a tweet along the lines of 'FAKE NEWS SAYS I WANT TO FIRE X BUT ITS ALL FAKE THEY'RE MY BESTIE' said person gets fired a little while later almost without exception?
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 13 2018 16:44 GMT
#201053
So Tillerson blasted Russia yesterday for using a nerve agent on an ex Russian spy. Today Tillerson fired while WH still hasn't said anything about it.
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
March 13 2018 16:58 GMT
#201054
On March 14 2018 01:23 GreenHorizons wrote:
I mean the state department and the CIA are basically the same group going forward from here. Presumably there some longtime folks still hanging around but the presumption about any future people placed into State by Pompeo is they are basically in line with CIA goals and methods.

I don't watch homeland too closely but I think they cover a bit of why that is beyond problematic. It would be one thing if it was just your run of the mill CIA warmonger taking over State, but someone like Pompeo with this pro-torture lackey taking over the CIA and someone as obliviously stupid as Trump at the head is probably the single worst thing to come out of the Trump administration to date.

It basically indicates a shifting of focus away from more traditional corporate interests to a focus on the Military-industrial complex. Which is probably how he's carving out room for his 'anti-gun' domestic rhetoric. Sure some smaller domestic AR-15 manufactures may suffer, but the massive arms manufacturers will see profits soar.

It's worth noting it's not just ceding control of State to the CIA, it's ceding it to the worst possible faction within the CIA.

Trump when asked about Tillerson firing specifically mentioned the Iran Deal and how Tillerson was ok with it, while Pompeo was 'always on the same wavelength'. So I expect more Iran warmongering soon.

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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
March 13 2018 16:59 GMT
#201055
On March 14 2018 01:39 iamthedave wrote:
How many of the 'we have the best people' crowd have been fired now? This is an unusual body count for a Presidency, isn't it? It's not just foreign media focusing on the firings?

I'm just wondering because about 30% of the time I hear news about Trump it's him firing someone else.

And is it just me, or is it that whenever he sends out a tweet along the lines of 'FAKE NEWS SAYS I WANT TO FIRE X BUT ITS ALL FAKE THEY'RE MY BESTIE' said person gets fired a little while later almost without exception?

yes, it's an unusual body count for a president, and one of the many signs of the massive dumpster fire.
it's not just you that's noticed that, it's a noticed pattern many have remarked upon before.
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4855 Posts
March 13 2018 17:00 GMT
#201056
On March 14 2018 01:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So Tillerson blasted Russia yesterday for using a nerve agent on an ex Russian spy. Today Tillerson fired while WH still hasn't said anything about it.


Not nothing. It just sounds like Trump is, amazingly, being cautious.

"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 13 2018 17:03 GMT
#201057
On March 13 2018 22:51 Plansix wrote:
The only good thing about the CIA director running State is that he might know how our of his field he is and rely on the long time employees of State. But that is the only way I can see a bright side. It’s mostly just terrifying.

Edit:



Never mind, I forgot about this aspect of Pompeo.


I hate to tell you, the State Dept has been pretty much gutted so that institutional knowledge and experience is pretty thin now.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
March 13 2018 17:06 GMT
#201058
Y'all are missing the point on what's going on with Trump. He's cleaning house because he's ready to go full Trump and put in people who are ready to help him realize his vision. He's had a year to figure out how the presidency and politics work. He's learned what works and what doesn't work. Whom he needs and doesn't need. Now he's ready to act based on what he's learned.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23450 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-13 17:09:37
March 13 2018 17:08 GMT
#201059
Democrats are so bad at this...



On March 14 2018 02:06 xDaunt wrote:
Y'all are missing the point on what's going on with Trump. He's cleaning house because he's ready to go full Trump and put in people who are ready to help him realize his vision. He's had a year to figure out how the presidency and politics work. He's learned what works and what doesn't work. Whom he needs and doesn't need. Now he's ready to act based on what he's learned.


lol. You really think Trump has a 'vision', or that this vision isn't idiotic?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2655 Posts
March 13 2018 17:09 GMT
#201060
On March 14 2018 02:06 xDaunt wrote:
Y'all are missing the point on what's going on with Trump. He's cleaning house because he's ready to go full Trump and put in people who are ready to help him realize his vision. He's had a year to figure out how the presidency and politics work. He's learned what works and what doesn't work. Whom he needs and doesn't need. Now he's ready to act based on what he's learned.

Everything about this post is amazing. Quoting for future reference.

What is "full Trump" going to look like, do you imagine? Can I get some specifics?
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