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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
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Velr
Switzerland10939 Posts
On March 14 2018 02:36 xDaunt wrote: And for all of the people who are acting shocked that I would dare suggest that Trump has a vision, did none of you actually pay attention to what Trump campaigned on? Perhaps you should finally start taking the man seriously instead of lapping up whatever bullshit MSNBC feeds you. So.. Draining the swamp means firing people he hired himself? | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On March 14 2018 02:42 Gorsameth wrote: By all means keep pointing at vague things and expecting others to figure it out instead of putting yourself on the spot and actually naming Trumps plan that you think he is acting towards. Why exactly do you expect me to educate you? I have better things to do than educate you on Trump's nationalist/populist agenda that he campaigned on. Besides, I bet that if I looked back at posts from the campaign, I'd find that you weren't listening then, either. You really shouldn't advertise your ignorance like this. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24285 Posts
On March 14 2018 04:06 xDaunt wrote: Why exactly do you expect me to educate you? I have better things to do than educate you on Trump's nationalist/populist agenda that he campaigned on. Besides, I bet that if I looked back at posts from the campaign, I'd find that you weren't listening then, either. You really shouldn't advertise your ignorance like this. I'm not really interested in other people's fight with you on this, I'm just going to say plainly again that he said a lot during the campaign and firing the people he hired wasn't one of them. So you seeing that as him making moves to enact his vision as you imagine it is perplexing. As such, I'm curious what you think his vision is and/or if you agree with it. If you can't answer those questions, that reflects poorly on you, not someone asking. Pointing to the campaign and saying "only an idiot doesn't know what parts of it I'm talking about" isn't a legitimate position here at all. | ||
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pmh
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
These Russian killings in the UK will be pivotal. If Trump wants to brush off accusations against him and Russia -- what a golden opportunity! What better, perfect, more proper way than to strongly condemn Russia's actions and promise our ally whatever help it needs. Maybe even enact some sanctions. Instead he fires Rex Tillerson. He doesn't fire Betsy DeVos for saying outrageously dumb things. He doesn't fire Rex after Rex called him an "idiot" or gutted various State Department offices. Instead, he fires him the day after Rex criticizes Russia in a rare bit of pointed rhetoric. The House GOP declares Trump innocent, despite not having even interviewed people like Paul Manafort, a campaign chairman under indictment. This is all within a couple days. I think it's going to be a crazy week. | ||
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On March 14 2018 04:11 GreenHorizons wrote: I'm not really interested in other people's fight with you on this, I'm just going to say plainly again that he said a lot during the campaign and firing the people he hired wasn't one of them. So you seeing that as him making moves to enact his vision as you imagine it is perplexing. As such, I'm curious what you think his vision is and/or if you agree with it. If you can't answer those questions, that reflects poorly on you, not someone asking. Pointing to the campaign and saying "only an idiot doesn't know what parts of it I'm talking about" isn't a legitimate position here at all. This is perplexing to me, because it is painfully obvious that people like Tillerson and Cohn were not Trump people, which is why they were always at odds on policy. If you look back at what Trump did after the election, he very clearly tried to bridge the gap between the establishment GOP and his upstart Trump faction. Many of his appointments (like Cohn and Tillerson) were made to placate the establishment GOP and try to create harmony on the right. This is why Trump made Reince Priebus chief of staff and let Priebus run the show when it came to the selection of cabinet members. It hasn't worked, and Trump is very clearly ready to go rogue and do what he wants to do, such as with the tariffs. And no, I'm not interested in doing a dissertation on Trumpism right now. I've written extensively about it before, so go dig up those posts if you're too lazy to read his State of the Union address or campaign speeches. And I'm particularly uninterested in explaining things to ignorant people who make thinly veiled insults towards me. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24285 Posts
On March 14 2018 04:29 Leporello wrote: Things are about to break, for sure. For better or worse. This thing with the UK will be pivotal. If Trump wants to brush off accusations against him and Russia -- what a golden opportunity! What better, perfect, more proper way than to strongly condemn Russia's actions and promise our ally whatever help it needs. Maybe even enact some sanctions. Instead he fires Rex Tillerson. He doesn't fire Betsy DeVos for saying outrageously dumb things. He doesn't fire Rex after Rex called him an "idiot" or gutted various State Department offices. Instead, he fires him the day after Rex criticizes Russia in a rare bit of pointed rhetoric. The House GOP declares Trump innocent, despite not having even interviewed people like Paul Manafort, a campaign chairman under indictment. This is all within a couple days. I think it's going to be a crazy week. I'm genuinely curious if you have any idea what you're talking about or if this is coming out of some weird neoliberal bubble? How do people arrive at the conclusion him firing Tillerson is some move to punish him for saying a mean thing about Russia without being fed that idea sans any comprehension of the actual lack of substance behind the claim? On March 14 2018 04:31 xDaunt wrote: This is perplexing to me, because it is painfully obvious that people like Tillerson and Cohn were not Trump people, which is why they were always at odds on policy. If you look back at what Trump did after the election, he very clearly tried to bridge the gap between the establishment GOP and his upstart Trump faction. Many of his appointments (like Cohn and Tillerson) were made to placate the establishment GOP and try to create harmony on the right. This is why Trump made Reince Priebus chief of staff and let Priebus run the show when it came to the selection of cabinet members. It hasn't worked, and Trump is very clearly ready to go rogue and do what he wants to do, such as with the tariffs. And no, I'm not interested in doing a dissertation on Trumpism right now. I've written extensively about it before, so go dig up those posts if you're too lazy to read his State of the Union address or campaign speeches. And I'm particularly uninterested in explaining things to ignorant people who make thinly veiled insults towards me. lol. K. So he didn't hire the best people out of the gate or the first few replacements around the cabinet, but this new incoming set will be the best. Got it Was looking more for a distillation than a dissertation, and whether you support his vision (despite whatever imperfections you may see). Your inability to answer such simple requests says a lot about the value of your view, or lack thereof. I'm not sure if the dodge is supposed to be from me or not, but I do my best not to veil my insults toward your arguments, thinly or otherwise. I think most of them are absolute trash and am not shy to say as much. This being one of them. Confident those answers aren't forthcoming, you can carry on with the several lengthy responses you're going to make about why you're not going to go through the effort of substantiating your apparently absurd claim. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On March 14 2018 04:14 pmh wrote: Cohn and Tillerson gone,it is the beginning of the end for the trump administration. There is like no way the administration will survive this year,but I thought that last year as well at some point so who knows. You're a good self parody. There's no way Trump will survive this year, from the guy that said there was no way Trump would survive last year. It's actually a pretty good microcosm of the majority of reporting on Trump. On March 14 2018 04:31 xDaunt wrote: This is perplexing to me, because it is painfully obvious that people like Tillerson and Cohn were not Trump people, which is why they were always at odds on policy. If you look back at what Trump did after the election, he very clearly tried to bridge the gap between the establishment GOP and his upstart Trump faction. Many of his appointments (like Cohn and Tillerson) were made to placate the establishment GOP and try to create harmony on the right. This is why Trump made Reince Priebus chief of staff and let Priebus run the show when it came to the selection of cabinet members. It hasn't worked, and Trump is very clearly ready to go rogue and do what he wants to do, such as with the tariffs. And no, I'm not interested in doing a dissertation on Trumpism right now. I've written extensively about it before, so go dig up those posts if you're too lazy to read his State of the Union address or campaign speeches. And I'm particularly uninterested in explaining things to ignorant people who make thinly veiled insults towards me. Hell, Reince was incompetent in his former job in my opinion. I expect one google search, "oh yeah, he talked about African American unemployment falling to historic lows. Fuck that guy," and back on message. | ||
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A3th3r
United States319 Posts
On March 14 2018 04:31 xDaunt wrote: This is perplexing to me, because it is painfully obvious that people like Tillerson and Cohn were not Trump people, which is why they were always at odds on policy. If you look back at what Trump did after the election, he very clearly tried to bridge the gap between the establishment GOP and his upstart Trump faction. Many of his appointments (like Cohn and Tillerson) were made to placate the establishment GOP and try to create harmony on the right. This is why Trump made Reince Priebus chief of staff and let Priebus run the show when it came to the selection of cabinet members. It hasn't worked, and Trump is very clearly ready to go rogue and do what he wants to do, such as with the tariffs. And no, I'm not interested in doing a dissertation on Trumpism right now. I've written extensively about it before, so go dig up those posts if you're too lazy to read his State of the Union address or campaign speeches. And I'm particularly uninterested in explaining things to ignorant people who make thinly veiled insults towards me. I guess I'm aware that people pay a lot of attention to the office of the presidency in America, but as far as actual authority goes, things are fairly limited in the executive branch. Your elected representatives in Congress have a lot more say in the specifics as to how things go than the president does. He's supposed to just push the vision that Congress sets. The judicial branch serves as a counterweight that can modify laws that are already in the books and in effect right now. It's a system of checks & balances. I guess what I'm trying to say here is that to really have an impact on national affairs it is better to get involved on a local and state level than on a national level. Also I'm trying to say that the president only has so much power to really change things. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On March 14 2018 04:46 A3th3r wrote: I guess I'm aware that people pay a lot of attention to the office of the presidency in America, but as far as actual authority goes, things are fairly limited in the executive branch. Your elected representatives in Congress have a lot more say in the specifics as to how things go than the president does. He's supposed to just push the vision that Congress sets. The judicial branch serves as a counterweight that can modify laws that are already in the books and in effect right now. It's a system of checks & balances. I guess what I'm trying to say here is that to really have an impact on national affairs it is better to get involved on a local and state level than on a national level. Also I'm trying to say that the president only has so much power to really change things. Yes, in theory, Congress should be driving the boat, but that stopped being the case with the birth of the modern administrative state. Power has been progressively centralized into the executive branch for decades such that the president now has considerable, unchecked authority to greatly influence policy nationally and internationally. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22535 Posts
On March 14 2018 04:06 xDaunt wrote: Why exactly do you expect me to educate you? I have better things to do than educate you on Trump's nationalist/populist agenda that he campaigned on. Besides, I bet that if I looked back at posts from the campaign, I'd find that you weren't listening then, either. You really shouldn't advertise your ignorance like this. Trump repeatedly changes his positions and often contradicts himself within days on where he stands. So yes when you make a statement that 'Trump is following his vision' I expect you to 'educate' me on what you think that vision is. It doesn't help that you have a history of refusing to explain vague mentions so that you can instead turn around and go 'No I didn't mean that thing, I meant something else' when someone tries to argue with you. If you can't be bothered to explain your position then don't proclaim it. | ||
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
On March 14 2018 02:36 xDaunt wrote: And for all of the people who are acting shocked that I would dare suggest that Trump has a vision, did none of you actually pay attention to what Trump campaigned on? Perhaps you should finally start taking the man seriously instead of lapping up whatever bullshit MSNBC feeds you. Wheres Hillary at? Building the wall on day 1? Con artists have a vision too. | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On March 14 2018 05:21 CorsairHero wrote: Wheres Hillary at? Building the wall on day 1? Con artists have a vision too. Don't forget labeling china a currency manipulator | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On March 14 2018 05:25 IyMoon wrote: Don't forget labeling china a currency manipulator And ISIS destroyed in 100 days. | ||
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