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Plansix
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brian
United States9641 Posts
or eliminating national debt or not taking holidays or not cutting medicare/medicaid/social security. (actually i’m still hopeful we come out well on this one.) | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9208 Posts
On March 14 2018 04:31 xDaunt wrote: This is perplexing to me, because it is painfully obvious that people like Tillerson and Cohn were not Trump people, which is why they were always at odds on policy. If you look back at what Trump did after the election, he very clearly tried to bridge the gap between the establishment GOP and his upstart Trump faction. Many of his appointments (like Cohn and Tillerson) were made to placate the establishment GOP and try to create harmony on the right. This is why Trump made Reince Priebus chief of staff and let Priebus run the show when it came to the selection of cabinet members. It hasn't worked, and Trump is very clearly ready to go rogue and do what he wants to do, such as with the tariffs. The problem with this fanfic is that the replacements of the 'not Trump people' are not particularly more Trumpy than their predecessors. And that's because somewhat qualified people that agree with Trump on economics and foreign affairs may not exist. I'm willing to ban bet that at least one of the two (Pompeo and whoever replaces Cohn, probably Kudlow) will last fewer days in office than the people they are replacing. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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A3th3r
United States319 Posts
https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-jersey-gov-phil-murphy-proposes-raising-sales-tax-back-to-7-in-first-budget-1520965006 | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On March 14 2018 04:06 xDaunt wrote: Why exactly do you expect me to educate you? I have better things to do than educate you on Trump's nationalist/populist agenda that he campaigned on. Besides, I bet that if I looked back at posts from the campaign, I'd find that you weren't listening then, either. You really shouldn't advertise your ignorance like this. Didn't he consistently campaign on 'draining the swamp'? Has he done that yet? Seems to me he hired the swamps biggest denizens directly into the white house. And most of THEM haven't been fired. | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On March 14 2018 02:10 xDaunt wrote: Only an imbecile would think that Trump has no vision. He very clearly does. Whether you agree with that vision is another story. Only an imbecile would think that trump has a vision. He very clearly does not. Whether or not you try to fit his fumbling around into a vision is another story. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14128 Posts
Even in the Dems win PA 18 they don't really win much other then a symbolic victory. It was democratic before the last representative and the dem running (conor lamb) is pro life and anti gun control. Monmouth is leaning blue past the margin so I'd be willing to bet on blue. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On March 14 2018 02:44 Danglars wrote: The real question is if these moves plug leaks coming from within the White House. I always expected that Tillerson, after having been accused of being Putin's friend and too close of a relationship to run the State Department (by CNN, Politico, Democratic Congressmen/women, the Democratic party, the NYT, MSNBC, WaPo), would be accused of being too tough on Russia for Trump if he ever got fired. I made out pretty good. I bet against people that said he'd be out by August, by Halloween, by Thanksgiving, and by Christmas (2 ppl) so that's some cash money. And there's still Hillary shills that can't find Hillary bad because "but Trump." If Trump's opponents don't up their game by 2020, he'll win re-election. Of course it won't. You don't stop leaks by running a dumpster fire of an administration, hiring awful workers, treating them like shit, and then firing them and shit talking them. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8257 Posts
On March 14 2018 07:31 hunts wrote: Only an imbecile would think that trump has a vision. He very clearly does not. Whether or not you try to fit his fumbling around into a vision is another story. Yeah. Trump has literally been on both sides of every topic he's ever talked about. He jojo's depending on who he's talking to, thinking people are stupid enough to believe him. If you believe he has a firm stance on any subject, you just haven't been listening when he turned around and told another crowd the opposite. His only vision is to become a dictator, which he has officially stated while consistently admiring other dictators across the world for the sole reason of being one. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On March 14 2018 07:40 Excludos wrote: Yeah. Trump has literally been on both sides of every topic he's ever talked about. He jojo's depending on who he's talking to, thinking people are stupid enough to believe him. If you believe he has a firm stance on any subject, you just haven't been listening when he turned around and told another crowd the opposite. His only vision is to become a dictator, which he has officially stated while consistently admiring other dictators across the world for the sole reason of being one. 5D SUPER GENIUS CHESS Trump has pushed certain things on his platform forward, in fairness to him. But his nutsack riders are hilarious. It's all part of the plan that he spent a year with complete control of the congress getting exactly nothing done. And if you believe that I have several bridges to sell you. | ||
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Wulfey_LA
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On March 14 2018 07:40 Excludos wrote: Yeah. Trump has literally been on both sides of every topic he's ever talked about. He jojo's depending on who he's talking to, thinking people are stupid enough to believe him. If you believe he has a firm stance on any subject, you just haven't been listening when he turned around and told another crowd the opposite. His only vision is to become a dictator, which he has officially stated while consistently admiring other dictators across the world for the sole reason of being one. There is 1 glaring exception to DJT being on both sides of every issue. Trump will never speak bad of Putin. And anyone around him who does is fired before their plane lands. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23957 Posts
On March 14 2018 08:23 Wulfey_LA wrote: There is 1 glaring exception to DJT being on both sides of every issue. Trump will never speak bad of Putin. And anyone around him who does is fired before their plane lands. Are any of the informed liberals going to tell the people who keep insinuating Tillerson was fired and replaced with Pompeo because he said something about Russia how dumb it is to keep suggesting or just let it linger? | ||
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Wulfey_LA
932 Posts
On March 14 2018 08:27 GreenHorizons wrote: Are any of the informed liberals going to tell the people who keep insinuating Tillerson was fired and replaced with Pompeo because he said something about Russia how dumb it is to keep suggesting or just let it linger? Occam's razor. Tillerson talks shit about Russia's assassination attempts in England. Tillerson is fired before his plane lands. If you have some kind of alternative facts conspiracy that conveniently spins to Russia's benefits, you should share it. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9208 Posts
On March 14 2018 08:30 Wulfey_LA wrote: Occam's razor. Tillerson talks shit about Russia's assassination attempts in England. Tillerson is fired before his plane lands. If you have some kind of alternative facts conspiracy that conveniently spins to Russia's benefits, you should share it. How about the fact that his successor criticized Russia as well? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23957 Posts
On March 14 2018 08:30 Wulfey_LA wrote: Occam's razor. Tillerson talks shit about Russia's assassination attempts in England. Tillerson is fired before his plane lands. If you have some kind of alternative facts conspiracy that conveniently spins to Russia's benefits, you should share it. Okay, I thought it was because people were just repeating something they heard in some neoliberal bubble and not actually utilizing any critical thinking. You remember when Tillerson was evidence of Trump being in Russia's pocket because he got an award? He said something slightly critical of Russia and now you think Trump got rid of him for not being polite to Russia and replaced him with one of the most anti-Russia people available to him... It's totally asinine. Not surprised AT ALL more liberals didn't dogpile on it like they did xDaunt though. EDIT: I really want to know what idiot put this take out there and how it circulated the neoliberal sphere so fast without anyone pointing out how obviously dumb it is? | ||
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Wulfey_LA
932 Posts
(1) Tillerson's previous dealings with Russia make him a poor and suspicious choice for SOS (2) Tillerson was a terrible SOS that should have been fired for incompetence (3) DJT fired Tillerson only after and because he spoke bad of Putin If you insist on a reality where everyone is either PRO or ANTI Russia and anything that isn't pure is evidence of contradiction, sure, live in your fantasy land. In reality, Trump fired Tillerson because he wouldn't suck up to the Putin line hard enough. That liberals in the past said (1), is still true. He was a shit choice and too close to Russia. Too bad (3), he wasn't close enough for DJT's taste and has put Pompeo in instead. EDIT: here is a diagram. [ full-anti-Russia-believe-nothing-from-russophere ....... ..... normal-skepticism ... ...... consider-both-sides ..... ..... too much contact with oligarchs to deal with Russia as SOS ....... tillerson .... ...... believing-nonsense-about-Russia-not-running-assasinations-in-England .... DJT] | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23957 Posts
On March 14 2018 08:45 Wulfey_LA wrote: All of the following statements are true. (1) Tillerson's previous dealings with Russia make him a poor and suspicious choice for SOS (2) Tillerson was a terrible SOS that should have been fired for incompetence (3) DJT fired Tillerson only after and because he spoke bad of Putin If you insist on a reality where everyone is either PRO or ANTI Russia and anything that isn't pure is evidence of contradiction, sure, live in your fantasy land. In reality, Trump fired Tillerson because he wouldn't suck up to the Putin line hard enough. That liberals in the past said (1), is still true. He was a shit choice and too close to Russia. Too bad (3), he wasn't close enough for DJT's taste and has put Pompeo in instead. roflmao. You really have no idea what you're talking about at all do you? You think Trump put Pompeo in carry water for Russia and you think you don't look idiotic saying it. I'm going to let a liberal disabuse you of this nonsense or let you keep believing it and proving my point. | ||
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Wulfey_LA
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Meetings between U.S. and Russian spy chiefs are not unheard of and Pompeo himself met with some Russian intelligence officials when he visited Moscow last May. Current and former U.S. intelligence officials said they could not recall so many heads of Russia’s espionage and security apparatus coming to Washington at once and meeting with a top American official. They worried the Kremlin could conclude the United States is open to forgiving Russia for its actions and was not resolved to forcefully prevent future meddling. A description of the meeting sent to U.S. intelligence officers portrayed Russia as a partner willing to work with the United States and said the countries should look for ways to cooperate on counterterrorism issues. There is now friction between the operational elements of the U.S. intelligence community, who want to step up action to punish and deter what they see as a rising threat from Russia, and the White House, which is looking for ways to repair the U.S.-Russia relationship, according to current and former U.S. officials. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-spy-chiefs-met-in-washington-with-cia-director-to-discuss-counterterrorism/2018/01/31/0b761976-068b-11e8-94e8-e8b8600ade23_story.html?utm_term=.d689fed6f5f0 | ||
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