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On November 18 2012 02:53 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 02:45 Goozen wrote:On November 18 2012 02:41 heliusx wrote:
actually israel did start the exchanges this time. they flew a helicopter during an excursion into gaza over a playground and shot a 12 year old playing soccer in the face. then hamas blew up some IED tunnel and fired an RPG at a jeep. that
is when the rockets and bombs started to be exchanged. Yup, no mention of the constant rocket attacks before this at all or the soldier that got his arm blown off (source). Fair enough. We can go back and forth about each side killing each other, you will lose the argument though considering the death tolls. The fact is when you murder someones child for no reason you can expect hostilities to go to the extreme every time. Not only do you make an entire family of enemies you also create a propaganda for hamas to use. But who cares right? It's only a palestinian kid a piece of scum who supports hamas, even though hes not old enough to understand.
Accidental killing isnt the same as murder by any means, and its regrettable. However im done talking to you as you use the death tolls to justify your claims, Read my previous posts and this thread. All the the death tolls will show is Hamas disregard for human life and protection of its civilians and how much Israel protects their citizens. Plenty of info on the web showing how close they place their weapon depots to civilians (source) or how trustworthy all their claims are + Show Spoiler +
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On November 18 2012 02:53 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +you remember the last attack from Israel against Gaza when they killed like hundres of innocent people at the Beach? No, because hundreds of innocent people weren't killed at the Gaza beach. Try 8. By a land mine the Palestinians themselves buried, or an Israeli shell from earlier shelling that did not explode and was touched off by vibrations from shelling farther down the beach. This is conclusive evidence that Israel massacres people on purpose. This is the kind of ridiculous bullshit that people say about Israel all the time, and people actually believe it. Facts aren't necessary, just accuse Israel of a massacre and it's automatically accepted by the sheep.
hahaha and you believe this bullsh*t ? why didnt the president of Israel answer the question like you did know when the Turkish president asked him huh? :D ... i tell you why.. cause its bullsh*t 
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On November 18 2012 02:56 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +Fair enough. We can go back and forth about each side killing each other, you will lose the argument though considering the death tolls. This makes sense... wait no it makes zero sense. Ah yes, Israel murders children for no reason. That is very convincing.
You have a point. The tactical advantages of murdering children are well documented in "The barely human no conscience death loving psychopath's guide to war".
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On November 18 2012 03:00 NesquiKGG wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 02:53 DeepElemBlues wrote:you remember the last attack from Israel against Gaza when they killed like hundres of innocent people at the Beach? No, because hundreds of innocent people weren't killed at the Gaza beach. Try 8. By a land mine the Palestinians themselves buried, or an Israeli shell from earlier shelling that did not explode and was touched off by vibrations from shelling farther down the beach. This is conclusive evidence that Israel massacres people on purpose. This is the kind of ridiculous bullshit that people say about Israel all the time, and people actually believe it. Facts aren't necessary, just accuse Israel of a massacre and it's automatically accepted by the sheep. hahaha and you believe this bullsh*t ? why didnt the president of Israel answer the question like you did know when the Turkish president asked him huh? :D ... i tell you why.. cause its bullsh*t
Look at the wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_beach_explosion_(2006)
First i want you to notice how full of BS you are as you climed "hundreds" and the total dead are 8.
Notice also how the report including Ha'aretz (who are left wing and have no issues criticizing Israel) showed also that is want done by the army.
But sure, believe people who have no issues spouting rubbish (like hamas have claimed to downing a f-16, hitting the Knesset, hitting the stock exchange, wounding people in Tel-aviv etc).
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hahaha and you believe this bullsh*t ? why didnt the president of Israel answer the question like you did know when the Turkish president asked him huh? :D ... i tell you why.. cause its bullsh*t
Let's review: you said hundreds were killed.
The number was 8.
Apparently it was really hundreds because the president of Israel refused to answer the badgering dumbshit questions of the Turkish president.
Your reasoning processes are really impressive.
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hamas, just another turkish funded sunni guerillas. turks dont want to share the syrian oil with israel. wouldnt be suprised if turkey starts having a problem with Iraq or Iran at the sametime seeing Israel also doesnt want Turks in Syria. middle east is just too much messed.
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I am always surprised how much hate Israel receives and how people sympathise with Hamas. How dare Israel defend themselves!
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the disparity in casualties is more a reflection of the amount of defensive training the civilian population in israel undergo. iron dome system, bomb shelters, siren warnings of incoming rockets, security at malls, etc...
just because not enough israelis have died for your liking, does not reflect the number of attempted killings.
a starcraft analogy, bronze player sends waves of units rallied to a line of bunkered marines. obviously the losses will turn out disproportionately.
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On November 18 2012 03:06 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +hahaha and you believe this bullsh*t ? why didnt the president of Israel answer the question like you did know when the Turkish president asked him huh? :D ... i tell you why.. cause its bullsh*t Let's review: you said hundreds were killed. The number was 8. Apparently it was really hundreds because the president of Israel refused to answer the badgering dumbshit questions of the Turkish president. Your reasoning processes are really impressive.
aha ok thank god only 8 died there..... you rly trying to argue about numbers when we are talkin about dead people? and if it was a stupid question .. why didnt mr smart guy from israel answer it then?? There are never stupid question only stupid answers bro keep this in your empty brain ...
@Goozen .. and you say im full of bullshit :D 1st you're the one from israel not me .. 2nd you give me a link from wikipedia (LOLZ) :D.... and 3rd. you too have no idea what people lifes are worth.. just like this moron deepblue whos tryin to argue with me about numbers of deaths... fact is israel is killing 100 for 1 and its not like the people there are trying to kill israel people.. its only hamas... and this is a good reason for Israel to get rid of palastine by sending bombs wich are "targeting" hamas leaders wich is total of bullshit .. they kill one leader and take some innocent lifes with him and call it "accidently" :D :D ... this is not hollywood bro .. israel needs to work on their acting cause its rly bad
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On November 18 2012 03:10 bahunto28 wrote:the disparity in casualties is more a reflection of the amount of defensive training the civilian population in israel undergo. iron dome system, bomb shelters, siren warnings of incoming rockets, security at malls, etc... just because not enough israelis have died for your liking, does not reflect the number of attempted killings. a starcraft analogy, bronze player sends waves of units rallied to a line of bunkered marines. obviously the losses will turn out disproportionately.
An equally appropriate analogy would be a protoss player leaves a group of HTs in a clump with deathball. Terran comes and EMPs the HTs, but the EMP hits the entire deathball also, and then wins the engagement. Protoss player complains that EMP is OP.
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I hope most of you who sympathize with Israel also sympathize with Burmese government as well.
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You are right, this is not hollywood. All the jews who are good at making movies are actually in Hollywood. Us Israelis suck at it.
Hamas on the other hand are experts at staging scenes and faking casualties. Hell... they even take OUR INJURED BABIES and post them as their own
But let me finish this in a smiley, just to make you feel a bit more creeped out dear NesquiKGG
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On November 18 2012 03:16 NesquiKGG wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 03:06 DeepElemBlues wrote:hahaha and you believe this bullsh*t ? why didnt the president of Israel answer the question like you did know when the Turkish president asked him huh? :D ... i tell you why.. cause its bullsh*t Let's review: you said hundreds were killed. The number was 8. Apparently it was really hundreds because the president of Israel refused to answer the badgering dumbshit questions of the Turkish president. Your reasoning processes are really impressive. aha ok thank god only 8 died there..... you rly trying to argue about numbers when we are talkin about dead people? and if it was a stupid question .. why didnt mr smart guy from israel answer it then?? There are never stupid question only stupid answers bro keep this in your empty brain ... @Goozen .. and you say im full of bullshit :D 1st you're the one from israel not me .. 2nd you give me a link from wikipedia (LOLZ) :D.... and 3rd. you too have no idea what people lifes are worth.. just like this moron deepblue whos tryin to argue with me about numbers of deaths... fact is israel is killing 100 for 1 and its not like the people there are trying to kill israel people.. its only hamas... and this is a good reason for Israel to get rid of palastine by sending bombs wich are "targeting" hamas leaders wich is total of bullshit .. they kill one leader and take some innocent lifes with him and call it "accidently" :D :D ... this is not hollywood bro .. israel needs to work on their acting cause its rly bad
Yes, clearly your link is better. you have peen proved lying, and proved wrong and yet you have no problem saying our sources are bad and and ignoring the fact that you claimed "hundreds" are the same as 8. Your points tend to be sob story's that are true to both sides or baseless accusation. im done responding to you, as clearly mere "facts" wont convince you.
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aha ok thank god only 8 died there..... you rly trying to argue about numbers when we are talkin about dead people? and if it was a stupid question .. why didnt mr smart guy from israel answer it then?? There are never stupid question only stupid answers bro keep this in your empty brain ...
Questions from an Arab or Muslim directed at Israelis are almost invariably stupid "WHY ARE YOU SO EVIL WHY DONT YOU ADMIT THAT YOU ARE THE WORST EVAR" style nonsense.
Also, you said hundreds because hundreds sounds much, much worse than 8. Now that you've been shown to be wrong you're bullshitting about the numbers don't matter because it's dead people. If 8 and hundreds are no different, why say hundreds? Because lying about Israel is what people like you do, you don't know how to do anything else on the topic.
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On November 18 2012 03:16 NesquiKGG wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 03:06 DeepElemBlues wrote:hahaha and you believe this bullsh*t ? why didnt the president of Israel answer the question like you did know when the Turkish president asked him huh? :D ... i tell you why.. cause its bullsh*t Let's review: you said hundreds were killed. The number was 8. Apparently it was really hundreds because the president of Israel refused to answer the badgering dumbshit questions of the Turkish president. Your reasoning processes are really impressive. aha ok thank god only 8 died there..... you rly trying to argue about numbers when we are talkin about dead people? and if it was a stupid question .. why didnt mr smart guy from israel answer it then?? There are never stupid question only stupid answers bro keep this in your empty brain ... @Goozen .. and you say im full of bullshit :D 1st you're the one from israel not me .. 2nd you give me a link from wikipedia (LOLZ) :D.... and 3rd. you too have no idea what people lifes are worth.. just like this moron deepblue whos tryin to argue with me about numbers of deaths... fact is israel is killing 100 for 1 and its not like the people there are trying to kill israel people.. its only hamas... and this is a good reason for Israel to get rid of palastine by sending bombs wich are "targeting" hamas leaders wich is total of bullshit .. they kill one leader and take some innocent lifes with him and call it "accidently" :D :D ... this is not hollywood bro .. israel needs to work on their acting cause its rly bad
So would you accept a two-state solution?
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On November 18 2012 03:19 Noam wrote:You are right, this is not hollywood. All the jews who are good at making movies are actually in Hollywood. Us Israelis suck at it. Hamas on the other hand are experts at staging scenes and faking casualties. Hell... they even take OUR INJURED BABIES and post them as their own But let me finish this in a smiley, just to make you feel a bit more creeped out dear NesquiKGG
ehm.. the people in Hollywood might be Jews but who said they are all from Israel? :D .. also who said that im on Hamas side.. i said the people there are getting killed just because hamas is stubborn to give up or try to make peace with israel ... but instead of ignore them and try to kill them WITHOUT BOMBING a whole Place full of people ... they do exact the opposite and try to make it like they are defending theirself.... if you bring up numbers of deaths... then you might consider that palastine lost a looooooooooooooooooooooot more people just because of hamas than Israel... israel loses 4 - 5 people to hamas attacks.. but also hamas is to blame why so many people die in palastine .. still doesnt mean Israel is right .. no way... they are just stupid to defend theirself against hamas without killing innocent lifes ...
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On November 18 2012 03:16 NesquiKGG wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 03:06 DeepElemBlues wrote:hahaha and you believe this bullsh*t ? why didnt the president of Israel answer the question like you did know when the Turkish president asked him huh? :D ... i tell you why.. cause its bullsh*t Let's review: you said hundreds were killed. The number was 8. Apparently it was really hundreds because the president of Israel refused to answer the badgering dumbshit questions of the Turkish president. Your reasoning processes are really impressive. aha ok thank god only 8 died there..... you rly trying to argue about numbers when we are talkin about dead people? and if it was a stupid question .. why didnt mr smart guy from israel answer it then?? There are never stupid question only stupid answers bro keep this in your empty brain ... @Goozen .. and you say im full of bullshit :D 1st you're the one from israel not me .. 2nd you give me a link from wikipedia (LOLZ) :D.... and 3rd. you too have no idea what people lifes are worth.. just like this moron deepblue whos tryin to argue with me about numbers of deaths... fact is israel is killing 100 for 1 and its not like the people there are trying to kill israel people.. its only hamas... and this is a good reason for Israel to get rid of palastine by sending bombs wich are "targeting" hamas leaders wich is total of bullshit .. they kill one leader and take some innocent lifes with him and call it "accidently" :D :D ... this is not hollywood bro .. israel needs to work on their acting cause its rly bad
Listen friend. I do not support Israel, but if everyone on your side went on forums spouting the shit that you are right now i wouldn't really have a choice.
The fact is that from what i have seen Israel does, for the most part at least, make every move it makes in an attempt to actually move the war in its favour. Hamas, however seems to just want to cause any casualties it can, and never really deals any kind of tactical strike to Israel.
I don't support either side. Its the people like you, who have lost family, who i sympathize with. I just wish your reaction would be to want to end the war to stop other families going through what you have been through, not get stuck in a way of thinking that is harmful to other families.
Have some empathy for God's sake. You really want Israeli parents to have to bury their children? And don't give me shit about how 'they have killed children, so they deserve it.' No-one deserves that, and it has to stop sometime. Doesn't it?
As far as i'm concerned, the childish petty approach of both sides is what results in innocent deaths. Israel's constant relentless need to get more 'living space' for its people is harmful, what result did they expect from it? Hamas' policy of just hurting any Israeli civilian they can is uneducated, ineffective and will just lead to more death on their side.
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On November 18 2012 03:32 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 03:16 NesquiKGG wrote:On November 18 2012 03:06 DeepElemBlues wrote:hahaha and you believe this bullsh*t ? why didnt the president of Israel answer the question like you did know when the Turkish president asked him huh? :D ... i tell you why.. cause its bullsh*t Let's review: you said hundreds were killed. The number was 8. Apparently it was really hundreds because the president of Israel refused to answer the badgering dumbshit questions of the Turkish president. Your reasoning processes are really impressive. aha ok thank god only 8 died there..... you rly trying to argue about numbers when we are talkin about dead people? and if it was a stupid question .. why didnt mr smart guy from israel answer it then?? There are never stupid question only stupid answers bro keep this in your empty brain ... @Goozen .. and you say im full of bullshit :D 1st you're the one from israel not me .. 2nd you give me a link from wikipedia (LOLZ) :D.... and 3rd. you too have no idea what people lifes are worth.. just like this moron deepblue whos tryin to argue with me about numbers of deaths... fact is israel is killing 100 for 1 and its not like the people there are trying to kill israel people.. its only hamas... and this is a good reason for Israel to get rid of palastine by sending bombs wich are "targeting" hamas leaders wich is total of bullshit .. they kill one leader and take some innocent lifes with him and call it "accidently" :D :D ... this is not hollywood bro .. israel needs to work on their acting cause its rly bad Listen friend. I do not support Israel, but if everyone on your side went on forums spouting the shit that you are right now i wouldn't really have a choice. The fact is that from what i have seen Israel does, for the most part at least, make every move it makes in an attempt to actually move the war in its favour. Hamas, however seems to just want to cause any casualties it can, and never really deals any kind of tactical strike to Israel. I don't support either side. Its the people like you, who have lost family, who i sympathize with. I just wish your reaction would be to want to end the war to stop other families going through what you have been through, not get stuck in a way of thinking that is harmful to other families. Have some empathy for God's sake. You really want Israeli parents to have to bury their children? And don't give me shit about how 'they have killed children, so they deserve it.' No-one deserves that, and it has to stop sometime. Doesn't it? As far as i'm concerned, the childish petty approach of both sides is what results in innocent deaths. Israel's constant relentless need to get more 'living space' for its people is harmful, what result did they expect from it? Hamas' policy of just hurting any Israeli civilian they can is uneducated, ineffective and will just lead to more death on their side.
read my last post .. im totaly for peace... its just sickeness me when people try to defend "accidents" where people lifes are on the lane... i also despite everyone who trys to kill a jew, christian or whatever .... humans life are not toys... when i lost some family members you think i started to wish death to americans? .. no way... i love america and i would like to live there cause i saw sooooooooooo much sympathy from the americans.. its just their goverment that sucks... so i dont have the right to judge about the americans ... same goes for Israel and palastine .. the leaders of Israel and Hamas are tryin to win the war by wasting soooooooo many lifes... when i say Israel is full of bullshit and that their acting is bad.. i dont mean the people in israel i mean their goverment
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Hey guys, I'm just starting to do some research on this conflict (it's completely irrelevant to my areas of expertise), and I was hoping for some corrections/ feedback on what I've got so far. After following and reading the thread, looking through the posted articles, and watching the videos, this is what I've pretty much come up with at the most superficial level:
Most of the time, Hamas is the aggressor and pokes at Israel, in the same way a child taunts a bear. Then Hamas stupidly wonders why they get obliterated by Israel's superior army and technology. Israel is also really good at disproportionately wrecking Hamas (e.g., recently 1,100 Palestinians vs. 12 Israelis dead) and both sides seem to have no problem occasionally focusing down civilian areas to take out (or not even take out) leaders of the other side. And you'd think that Hamas would stop poking, but the Palestinians have been backed into such a corner, and pushed into such a small area of land (that's now so overpopulated and has such little support) that it's not completely surprising that they hate Israel.
Is this even remotely close? By all means, correct me if I'm completely off-base here. I'm looking for some education on the topic Thanks ^^
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