EPTThat's not gonna happen in a while though. In the meantime, It makes me sad that civilians need to suffer
Israel Bombs Palestine; Kills Hamas Leader - Page 52
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KungKras
Sweden484 Posts
That's not gonna happen in a while though. In the meantime, It makes me sad that civilians need to suffer | ||
Noam
Israel2209 Posts
Hamas still trying to get some victory out of this debacle by sending another rocket at Tel Aviv. However, a battery of Iron Dome which was just commissioned this morning in Tel Aviv took down that rocket down. "Experts" on TV are saying that looking at the mid-air interception explosion video, the rocket is most likely a pathetic attempt at assembling something that can reach Tel Aviv, as it had no munition on it and only a lot of fuel. Good thing our air force destroyed all the Fajr5 missiles they had and we spent years and millions developing a purely defensive weapon system that allows us to suffer minimal actual losses while hundreds of rockets are sent at us each day. And of course, good thing that Hamas is such a failure. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5913 Posts
On November 17 2012 19:24 Perscienter wrote: Democratic, savage and usually governed by criminals. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Katsav http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehud_Olmert The Israeli government gave asylum to numerous Polish Jews accused of crimes against humanity and refused to extradite them to Poland after the fall of the Communism in Poland. It says a lot about that country (same goes for the US, which gave asylum to many German and Japanese war criminals when it benefited them). | ||
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yosisoy
Israel202 Posts
On November 18 2012 00:14 Noam wrote: So getting back to the current events, instead of the useless back and forth about "Israel and Palestine" Hamas still trying to get some victory out of this debacle by sending another rocket at Tel Aviv. However, a battery of Iron Dome which was just commissioned this morning in Tel Aviv took down that rocket down. "Experts" on TV are saying that looking at the mid-air interception explosion video, the rocket is most likely a pathetic attempt at assembling something that can reach Tel Aviv, as it had no munition on it and only a lot of fuel. Good thing our air force destroyed all the Fajr5 missiles they had and we spent years and millions developing a purely defensive weapon system that allows us to suffer minimal actual losses while hundreds of rockets are sent at us each day. And of course, good thing that Hamas is such a failure. But Noam, how does this sit with us being a bunch of blood thirsty murderers? | ||
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NesquiKGG
100 Posts
 .. these people who are tryin to defend what Israel did to Palastine the few years are the best example of brainwashed brats who got manipluated .... You can turn your head away and stop looking at the facts but Israel and America did kill Millions of People for "defending" theirselfs ... good example 9/11 and Alqaida ... they used this to kill Millions of Iraqis and Afghans.. Israel uses hamas to keep on their projects getting their "land" back (LOLZ) by killing more and more innocent people .. and dont ever EVER EVER try to tell me they are not innocent or hamas is to blame for their death.... i cant run arround and kill every single American just because their Soldiers (i call them Terrorists) messed up my Country... | ||
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Enchanted
United States1609 Posts
On November 18 2012 00:41 NesquiKGG wrote: just as i mentioned before... Israel is good at telling lies and manipulating people .. these people who are tryin to defend what Israel did to Palastine the few years are the best example of brainwashed brats who got manipluated .... You can turn your head away and stop looking at the facts but Israel and America did kill Millions of People for "defending" theirselfs ... good example 9/11 and Alqaida ... they used this to kill Millions of Iraqis and Afghans.. Israel uses hamas to keep on their projects getting their "land" back (LOLZ) by killing more and more innocent people .. and dont ever EVER EVER try to tell me they are not innocent or hamas is to blame for their death.... i cant run arround and kill every single American just because their Soldiers (i call them Terrorists) messed up my Country...I think your figures are a little wrong and you might be biased. Just maybe. | ||
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NesquiKGG
100 Posts
On November 18 2012 00:43 Enchanted wrote: I think your figures are a little wrong and you might be biased. Just maybe. or maybe i lived a life where i saw things you didnt and can judge a lil bit about that | ||
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MVega
763 Posts
On November 18 2012 00:08 KungKras wrote: I think reaching a conclusion to the conflict could be easier if religion dissapeared from the region. That's not gonna happen in a while though. In the meantime, It makes me sad that civilians need to suffer I doubt it. Religion isn't the problem, it's just, unfortunately, used as a motivator for hate because it's something people feel passionately about. That's like blaming a hammer because someone struck their neighbor with it. If it wasn't religion it would be something else. It'll be several dozen lifetimes if ever before that could happen though, even the most secular European country has a majority that's religious. The vast majority of the world is and gets along fine-ish and doesn't mix it's religion with it's politics. It's just a few regions that seem to have issues separating the two. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
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Goozen
Israel701 Posts
Opening both borders (to Israel and Egypt) and allowing all goods through And international guaranties that no offensive action of any sort take place in gaza (includes any bombing, be it militants or munitions). Basically something that stands 0 chance of happening. Edit: thought this was worth adding to demonstrate part of the problem the IDF face: Rocket launch now from downtown #Gaza city, neighborhood erupts in cheers and whistles, "takbeer" and "allahu akbar," they shout. #Israel Source: | ||
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
Media is mostly reporting that Israel is being attacked by Palestine and they are just defending themselves. However, Palestine has suffered many more loses than Israel, has a much smaller army than Israel and has less technology than Israel. I am not taking sides, but it seems clear that Israel is the one attacking Palestine now and Palestine is in defensive mode attempting to retaliate Israel's actions. | ||
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sgfightmaster
38 Posts
On November 18 2012 00:41 NesquiKGG wrote: just as i mentioned before... Israel is good at telling lies and manipulating people .. these people who are tryin to defend what Israel did to Palastine the few years are the best example of brainwashed brats who got manipluated .... You can turn your head away and stop looking at the facts but Israel and America did kill Millions of People for "defending" theirselfs ... good example 9/11 and Alqaida ... they used this to kill Millions of Iraqis and Afghans.. Israel uses hamas to keep on their projects getting their "land" back (LOLZ) by killing more and more innocent people .. and dont ever EVER EVER try to tell me they are not innocent or hamas is to blame for their death.... i cant run arround and kill every single American just because their Soldiers (i call them Terrorists) messed up my Country...a cursory search on google/wiki reveals your figures of "millions of people" are off the mark by orders of magnitudes. this is literally a fact. also, many of the civilian casualties are caused by explosive devices of the insurgents themselves. would you stop hurting the discussion with these mistaken claims? unless of course, you've "seen things", in which case do go right ahead and quote your sources | ||
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hooahah
3752 Posts
On November 18 2012 01:18 carloselcoco wrote: Just to put things into perspective a bit: Media is mostly reporting that Israel is being attacked by Palestine and they are just defending themselves. However, Palestine has suffered many more loses than Israel, has a much smaller army than Israel and has less technology than Israel. I am not taking sides, but it seems clear that Israel is the one attacking Palestine now and Palestine is in defensive mode attempting to retaliate Israel's actions. no shit, Gaza has been bombarding Southern Israel for a while now, it was only a matter of time until Israel decided to push their shit in. It's up to Hamas now as for when the fighting will cease. It was always up to Hamas. | ||
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Goozen
Israel701 Posts
On November 18 2012 01:18 carloselcoco wrote: Just to put things into perspective a bit: Media is mostly reporting that Israel is being attacked by Palestine and they are just defending themselves. However, Palestine has suffered many more loses than Israel, has a much smaller army than Israel and has less technology than Israel. I am not taking sides, but it seems clear that Israel is the one attacking Palestine now and Palestine is in defensive mode attempting to retaliate Israel's actions. This is not a numbers game, the fact remains that had the rockets not been fired in to Israel none of this would have happened. Hamas are not dumb, and they nothing gets the worlds sympathy faster then dead civilians. They fire from civilian ares, hide munitions in civilian buildings. Just as you said, the have less technology and a smaller army, these rockets would have achieved nothing then pissing Israel off, and yet they did it. Also if they were to commit to a cease fire, stop launching rockets, stop massing munitions and stop terror this could all end right now. | ||
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Noam
Israel2209 Posts
On November 18 2012 00:14 Noam wrote: Hamas still trying to get some victory out of this debacle by sending another rocket at Tel Aviv. However, a battery of Iron Dome which was just commissioned this morning in Tel Aviv took down that rocket down The live footage: | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
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silynxer
Germany439 Posts
On November 18 2012 01:21 hooahah wrote: no shit, Gaza has been bombarding Southern Israel for a while now, it was only a matter of time until Israel decided to push their shit in. It's up to Hamas now as for when the fighting will cease. It was always up to Hamas. Nonono, Israel regularly breaks ceasefire agreements as well. Yes I realize the problems with the sources, but the first one uses different news outlets it directly sources and you are free to show disagreeing sources. For the second one it's unfortunate that they used "enemy got killed" as a signifier for breaking a truce since obviously Hamas regularly attacks Israel without killing anyone and I accept that critique but in light of the 2008 events I have no problem believing that Israel does a fair amount of aggression that is not in retaliation. At least this should let you question whether it's in the control of Hamas to stop the fighting... Actually if Israel would offer a truce right now it's pretty sure that Hamas would take it... Israel has more or less complete control over how this all plays out. [EDIT]: I doubt even if no further rocket is fired by Hamas the incoming operation will stop now. Of course there is no way to see whether this is true but I think it's highly likely that Hamas thinks the same. | ||
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Enchanted
United States1609 Posts
On November 18 2012 00:53 NesquiKGG wrote: or maybe i lived a life where i saw things you didnt and can judge a lil bit about that You may be able to judge based on what you've seen, but that doesn't give you the right to make up your own facts. | ||
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Goozen
Israel701 Posts
On November 18 2012 01:35 silynxer wrote: Nonono, Israel regularly breaks ceasefire agreements as well. Yes I realize the problems with the sources, but the first one uses different news outlets it directly sources and you are free to show disagreeing sources. For the second one it's unfortunate that they used "enemy got killed" as a signifier for breaking a truce since obviously Hamas regularly attacks Israel without killing anyone and I accept that critique but in light of the 2008 events I have no problem believing that Israel does a fair amount of aggression that is not in retaliation. At least this should let you question whether it's in the control of Hamas to stop the fighting... Actually if Israel would offer a truce right now it's pretty sure that Hamas would take it... Israel has more or less complete control over how this all plays out. [EDIT]: I doubt even if no further rocket is fired by Hamas the incoming operation will stop now. Of course there is no way to see whether this is true but I think it's highly likely that Hamas thinks the same. read what i posted about a truce, right now Hamas have no interest as they know that if the fighting goes own long enough public opinion will change with more civilian deaths. Also, electronic intifada is not a reliable source in the least its a propaganda site. The only times when Israel will do bombings is or in response or when there is Intel presented about a incoming attack (such as the ones from Sinai). These "breaking of the ceasefire" in the huffing post fail to mention the IED the hurt a soldier (source) or that those who were hit were preparing to launch rockets or planting explosives in order to hit patrols. | ||
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silynxer
Germany439 Posts
And the Huffington post article is from 2009. Like I said at least try to read what I wrote. I'm not here to fight anybody or to win, I would just love if I could help you to understand the other side better. | ||
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