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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shield#By_Israel
The IDF admittedly used Palestinians as human shields, a practice subsequently banned by Israel's High Court of Justice.[25] The Israeli Defense Ministry appealed this decision.[26] Amnesty International[27] and Human Rights Watch[28] assert the Israel Defense Forces used Palestinian civilians as human shields during the 2002 Battle of Jenin. The Israeli human rights group B'Tselem said that "for a long period of time following the outbreak of the second intifada, particularly during Operation Defensive Shield, in April 2002, the IDF systematically used Palestinian civilians as human shields, forcing them to carry out military actions which threatened their lives".[29][30] The practice was outlawed by the Supreme Court of Israel in 2005 but human rights groups say the IDF continues to use it, although they say the number of instances has dropped sharply.[29][31] In February 2007, Associated Press Television News released footage of an incident involving Sameh Amira, a 24-year-old Palestinian. The video appears to show the West Bank resident serving as a human shield for a group of Israeli soldiers.[31][32] The Israeli Army launched a criminal investigation into the incident.[31] In April 2007, the Israeli army suspended a commander after the unit he was leading was accused of using Palestinians as human shields in a West Bank raid.[33] During the 2008-2009 Gaza War known as Operation Cast Lead, Israeli military forces were accused of continuing to use civilians as human shields by Amnesty International and former Israeli soldiers (see Breaking the Silence). According to testimonies, Israeli forces used unarmed Palestinians including children to protect military positions, walk in front of armed soldiers; go into buildings to check for booby traps or gunmen; and inspect suspicious objects for explosives.[34][35] The UN Human Rights Council also accused Israel of using human shields during 2008-2009 Gaza Conflict[36][37] The Guardian has compiled 3 videos[38] and testimony from civilians of alleged war crimes committed by Israeli soldiers during the Gaza war, including the use of Palestinian children as human shields, the targeting of medics and hospitals, and drone aircraft firing on civilians deliberately.[39] Three teenage brothers from the al-Attar family have claimed that "they were taken from their home at gunpoint, made to kneel in front of tanks to deter Hamas fighters from firing at them and sent by Israeli soldiers into Palestinian houses to clear them".[39] An Israeli military official responded to these allegations: "The IDF operated in accordance with the rules of war and did the utmost to minimise harm to civilians uninvolved in combat. The IDF's use of weapons conforms to international law." An Israeli embassy spokesperson considers these allegations suspect because of Hamas pressure, adding: "Anyone who understands the realities of Gaza will know that these people are not free to speak the truth. Those that wish to speak out cannot for fear of beatings, torture or execution at the hands of Hamas."[39] However, in a report on the Gaza conflict,[40] released July 2, 2009, Amnesty International wrote that Israel did use human shields in Gaza. Amnesty claimed to have found cases in which "Israeli troops forced Palestinians to stay in one room of their home while turning the rest of the house into a base and sniper position, effectively using the families, both adults and children, as human shields and putting them at risk. The report also criticized Hamas for human rights violations, but "found no evidence Palestinian fighters directed civilians to shield military objectives from attacks, forced them to stay in buildings used by militants, or prevented them from leaving commandeered buildings."[41] The Israeli military responded only by calling the report "unbalanced" and saying that it ignored "blatant violations of international law perpetrated by Hamas." On March 12, 2010 the Israel Defense Forces prosecution filed indictments against two staff sergeants of the Givati Brigade for allegedly forcing a 9 year old Palestinian boy to open a number of bags they thought might contain explosives in January 2009. The IDF said it opened the investigation after the incident was brought to its attention by the United Nations.[42] On October 3, 2010 a conviction in this matter was handed down by the military court against both defendants, though neither soldier was jailed.[43][44][45]
I'd just like to note that a lot of people have been claiming that the Hamas are the only one violating human rights (IE human shields) but it's well documented the IDF has done exactly the same thing.
Instead of placing blame on one, they're both rather guilty of said crimes. The question is who is more in the wrong, my opinion leads IDF after things such as this.
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I mean sure, Hamas is a terrorist sect but "Palestinians" are as much Hamas operatives as the KKK or "tea party" equate to the entire US public. It's crazy.
It's one thing to put blame on Hamas, that's clear and no one is defending "Hamas" actions against civilians, it's another thing for people to look at Israel like it's any better than the Hamas in anyway... They're nearly equatable.
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On November 16 2012 04:48 Novalisk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 04:42 WhiteDog wrote:On November 16 2012 04:41 Noam wrote:On November 16 2012 04:28 mrRoflpwn wrote: a couple rockets that kill pretty much no one On November 16 2012 04:36 WhiteDog wrote: 51 casualties due to rockets. Thank you for making my point for me WhiteDog, saved me the trouble to look up the information. Just leave out your commentary next time you post facts please. 51 killed in 11 years, do you even understand ? It's most likely less than murders in Israel during the same period man, do you understand what you are talking about ? Do you know how many Palestinians have been killed because of Israelians bombs ? It's more than just rockets, you know. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks#2000s Suicide attacks stopped in 2008 according for what you linked. God thank you for showing us all how palestinians improved, unlike Israelis.
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On November 16 2012 04:47 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 04:44 DeepElemBlues wrote:On November 16 2012 04:42 WhiteDog wrote:On November 16 2012 04:41 Noam wrote:On November 16 2012 04:28 mrRoflpwn wrote: a couple rockets that kill pretty much no one On November 16 2012 04:36 WhiteDog wrote: 51 casualties due to rockets. Thank you for making my point for me WhiteDog, saved me the trouble to look up the information. Just leave out your commentary next time you post facts please. 51 killed in 11 years, do you even understand ? It's most likely less than murders in Israel during the same period man, do you understand what you are talking about ? It's obvious that you do not. Lack of ability does not wipe out the intent to cause mass casualties. Of course, you are one of the people who happily employs a double standard against Israel, so you simply do not care. It's not a question of intent. The question is : who is the dominant force in this "war", who trade 1 kill for a thousand. It's Israel. They can make peace whenever they want, if actually they accepted to step back in anything.
When did Israel ever achieve a 1000:1 kill ratio?
Of course it is a question of intent, you don't want it to be because then you can go on with your ridiculously contradictory to reality view that "Israel is so strong she can just make peace if she felt like it." Okay buddy, keep living in la-la land.
Suicide attacks stopped in 2008 according for what you linked. God thank you for showing us all how palestinians improved, unlike Israelis.
They stopped because the border wall made it physically much harder for them to infiltrate into Israel. Attempts did not stop; successful suicide attacks did.
Thanks for showing us that your opinions are formed out of hatred for Israel and not anything actually rational.
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Don't you mean GOD THANK YOU FOR BUILDING FENCES AROUND ISRAEL?
WhiteDog I'm gonna have to start quoting everything you post if you keep editing it out
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On November 16 2012 04:49 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 04:48 Novalisk wrote:On November 16 2012 04:42 WhiteDog wrote:On November 16 2012 04:41 Noam wrote:On November 16 2012 04:28 mrRoflpwn wrote: a couple rockets that kill pretty much no one On November 16 2012 04:36 WhiteDog wrote: 51 casualties due to rockets. Thank you for making my point for me WhiteDog, saved me the trouble to look up the information. Just leave out your commentary next time you post facts please. 51 killed in 11 years, do you even understand ? It's most likely less than murders in Israel during the same period man, do you understand what you are talking about ? Do you know how many Palestinians have been killed because of Israelians bombs ? It's more than just rockets, you know. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks#2000s Suicide attacks stopped in 2008, GOD THANK YOU FOR SHOWING US PALESTINIANS ACTUALLY IMPROVED.
Hamas doesn't have nearly the same freedom they used to have.
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On November 16 2012 04:50 Noam wrote: Don't you mean GOD THANK YOU FOR BUILDING FENCES AROUND ISRAEL? I would never thank god for that. stop 8ting. just wipe yourself off the earth.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On November 16 2012 04:44 Noam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 04:42 WhiteDog wrote:On November 16 2012 04:41 Noam wrote:On November 16 2012 04:28 mrRoflpwn wrote: a couple rockets that kill pretty much no one On November 16 2012 04:36 WhiteDog wrote: 51 casualties due to rockets. Thank you for making my point for me WhiteDog, saved me the trouble to look up the information. Just leave out your commentary next time you post facts please. 51 killed in 11 years, do you even understand ? It's most likely less than murders in Israel during the same period man, do you understand what you are talking about ? Of course I understand. 51 killed.FIFTY ONE PEOPLE KILLED! Do you not understand that we do not accept a single death? We trade thousands of MURDERERS in exchange for one solider. Not a single death is accepted. Ever.
Very good point, not a single death is accepted. Now let's try to make it in such a way that this is independent on whether someone is israeli, palestinian or whatever and both sides adhere to your principle also for the other people.
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On November 16 2012 04:50 Noam wrote: Don't you mean GOD THANK YOU FOR BUILDING FENCES AROUND ISRAEL? LOL.
"Following a suicide bombing in Tel Aviv, the route was again revised by a cabinet decision on April 30, 2006." The fence was finished in 2006, 2 years prior to the end of the suicide bombing. Do you really think walling yourself would actually help you when the only way the gaza people have to go other to cisjordania is by going through your own country.
On November 16 2012 04:51 Novalisk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 04:49 WhiteDog wrote:On November 16 2012 04:48 Novalisk wrote:On November 16 2012 04:42 WhiteDog wrote:On November 16 2012 04:41 Noam wrote:On November 16 2012 04:28 mrRoflpwn wrote: a couple rockets that kill pretty much no one On November 16 2012 04:36 WhiteDog wrote: 51 casualties due to rockets. Thank you for making my point for me WhiteDog, saved me the trouble to look up the information. Just leave out your commentary next time you post facts please. 51 killed in 11 years, do you even understand ? It's most likely less than murders in Israel during the same period man, do you understand what you are talking about ? Do you know how many Palestinians have been killed because of Israelians bombs ? It's more than just rockets, you know. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks#2000s Suicide attacks stopped in 2008, GOD THANK YOU FOR SHOWING US PALESTINIANS ACTUALLY IMPROVED. Hamas doesn't have nearly the same freedom they used to have. Are you really Israelis ? Or do you leave in the US and think you know the country. I wonder because even in my country people knows the Hamas have made a huge step toward freedom, even accepting Israel as a state.
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I mean sure, Hamas is a terrorist sect but "Palestinians" are as much Hamas operatives as the KKK or "tea party" equate to the entire US public. It's crazy.
1. Palestinian culture is anti-Semitic and the beliefs of the average Palestinian are nearly identical to that of the official Hamas member.
2. You people really want to keep repeating the Big Lie that the KKK and the Tea Party are pretty much indistinguishable, don't you? Ignorance is bliss...
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On November 16 2012 04:51 empty.bottle wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 04:50 Noam wrote: Don't you mean GOD THANK YOU FOR BUILDING FENCES AROUND ISRAEL? I would never thank god for that. stop 8ting. just wipe yourself off the earth. Thank you for the kind words. I am always happy to see people like you step into a discussion like this, you remind me how important it is for me to just continue living in Israel.
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On November 16 2012 04:54 Noam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 04:51 empty.bottle wrote:On November 16 2012 04:50 Noam wrote: Don't you mean GOD THANK YOU FOR BUILDING FENCES AROUND ISRAEL? I would never thank god for that. stop 8ting. just wipe yourself off the earth. Thank you for the kind words. I am always happy to see people like you step into a discussion like this, you remind me how important it is for me to just continue living in Israel. Good, at least you won't be poisoning other countries with your hate.
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LOL.
"Following a suicide bombing in Tel Aviv, the route was again revised by a cabinet decision on April 30, 2006." The fence was finished in 2006, 2 years prior to the end of the suicide bombing. Do you really think walling yourself would actually help you when the only way the gaza people have to go other to cisjordania is by going through your own country.
"LOL"
The barrier was not finished in 2006, once again you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Your ignorance is amazing.
The barrier actually never finished completion, they stopped it because what they'd already built had reduced successful suicide attacks to zero so completing it wasn't considered necessary.
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On November 16 2012 04:45 Qikz wrote: My step family just moved over from Israel and it's not since listening to them and my Dad who'd worked in Israel for the past 5 years when you realise how pro-palestine the western media actually is.
I don't condone violence in any sense of the word, but firing retaliatory rockets at military targets after they get missiles thrown at civillian areas I have little to no problem with.
Israel and the problems in Palestine wouldn't even be this bad had the Allies after WW2 set up Israel better. The governments back then have killed so many more people, innocent people, than they saved. :/
This is absolutely wrong. I frankly have very little patience remaining for either side in this conflict, but the Western media is absolutely not biased in favor of any part of the Muslim world.
On November 16 2012 04:52 Op wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 04:44 Noam wrote:On November 16 2012 04:42 WhiteDog wrote:On November 16 2012 04:41 Noam wrote:On November 16 2012 04:28 mrRoflpwn wrote: a couple rockets that kill pretty much no one On November 16 2012 04:36 WhiteDog wrote: 51 casualties due to rockets. Thank you for making my point for me WhiteDog, saved me the trouble to look up the information. Just leave out your commentary next time you post facts please. 51 killed in 11 years, do you even understand ? It's most likely less than murders in Israel during the same period man, do you understand what you are talking about ? Of course I understand. 51 killed.FIFTY ONE PEOPLE KILLED! Do you not understand that we do not accept a single death? We trade thousands of MURDERERS in exchange for one solider. Not a single death is accepted. Ever. Very good point, not a single death is accepted. Now let's try to make it in such a way that this is independent on whether someone is israeli, palestinian or whatever and both sides adhere to your principle also for the other people.
Exactly.
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On November 16 2012 04:55 empty.bottle wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 04:54 Noam wrote:On November 16 2012 04:51 empty.bottle wrote:On November 16 2012 04:50 Noam wrote: Don't you mean GOD THANK YOU FOR BUILDING FENCES AROUND ISRAEL? I would never thank god for that. stop 8ting. just wipe yourself off the earth. Thank you for the kind words. I am always happy to see people like you step into a discussion like this, you remind me how important it is for me to just continue living in Israel. Good, at least you won't be poisoning other countries with your hate.
I don't know man, you're looking pretty hateful there.
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On November 16 2012 04:47 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 04:44 DeepElemBlues wrote:On November 16 2012 04:42 WhiteDog wrote:On November 16 2012 04:41 Noam wrote:On November 16 2012 04:28 mrRoflpwn wrote: a couple rockets that kill pretty much no one On November 16 2012 04:36 WhiteDog wrote: 51 casualties due to rockets. Thank you for making my point for me WhiteDog, saved me the trouble to look up the information. Just leave out your commentary next time you post facts please. 51 killed in 11 years, do you even understand ? It's most likely less than murders in Israel during the same period man, do you understand what you are talking about ? It's obvious that you do not. Lack of ability does not wipe out the intent to cause mass casualties. Of course, you are one of the people who happily employs a double standard against Israel, so you simply do not care. It's not a question of intent. The question is : who is the dominant force in this "war", who trade 1 kill for a thousand. It's Israel. They can make peace whenever they want, if actually they accepted to step back in anything.
And surrender to the likes of you? To whom a dead Israel is nothing?
I can understand why they might be reluctant.
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On November 16 2012 04:55 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +LOL.
"Following a suicide bombing in Tel Aviv, the route was again revised by a cabinet decision on April 30, 2006." The fence was finished in 2006, 2 years prior to the end of the suicide bombing. Do you really think walling yourself would actually help you when the only way the gaza people have to go other to cisjordania is by going through your own country. "LOL" The barrier was not finished in 2006, once again you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Your ignorance is amazing. The barrier actually never finished completion, they stopped it because what they'd already built had reduced successful suicide attacks to zero so completing it wasn't considered necessary. Stop kidding yourself really if you think a barrier can actually prevent people from going to the other side. If they wanted, they could.
On November 16 2012 04:56 zalz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 04:47 WhiteDog wrote:On November 16 2012 04:44 DeepElemBlues wrote:On November 16 2012 04:42 WhiteDog wrote:On November 16 2012 04:41 Noam wrote:On November 16 2012 04:28 mrRoflpwn wrote: a couple rockets that kill pretty much no one On November 16 2012 04:36 WhiteDog wrote: 51 casualties due to rockets. Thank you for making my point for me WhiteDog, saved me the trouble to look up the information. Just leave out your commentary next time you post facts please. 51 killed in 11 years, do you even understand ? It's most likely less than murders in Israel during the same period man, do you understand what you are talking about ? It's obvious that you do not. Lack of ability does not wipe out the intent to cause mass casualties. Of course, you are one of the people who happily employs a double standard against Israel, so you simply do not care. It's not a question of intent. The question is : who is the dominant force in this "war", who trade 1 kill for a thousand. It's Israel. They can make peace whenever they want, if actually they accepted to step back in anything. And surrender to the likes of you? To whom a dead Israel is nothing?I can understand why they might be reluctant. Where did I said anything close to this ? The only thing I pointed out is how small the Israelis casualties are, and the fact that political elections are near, which explains the bombing. But the simple fact that I have you (the one who think all muslims are "irrationnals" being lead by their hate for jew) and DeepElemBlues (who just said that Palestinians are all anti semite, lolmao) show me how right I am.
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On November 16 2012 04:53 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +I mean sure, Hamas is a terrorist sect but "Palestinians" are as much Hamas operatives as the KKK or "tea party" equate to the entire US public. It's crazy. 1. Palestinian culture is anti-Semitic and the beliefs of the average Palestinian are nearly identical to that of the official Hamas member. 2. You people really want to keep repeating the Big Lie that the KKK and the Tea Party are pretty much indistinguishable, don't you? Ignorance is bliss...
The average Israelian is anti-Palestenic, so by your argument Hamas killing civilian Iraselians is ok too. Double standards are a bitch.
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On November 16 2012 04:53 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +I mean sure, Hamas is a terrorist sect but "Palestinians" are as much Hamas operatives as the KKK or "tea party" equate to the entire US public. It's crazy. 1. Palestinian culture is anti-Semitic and the beliefs of the average Palestinian are nearly identical to that of the official Hamas member. 2. You people really want to keep repeating the Big Lie that the KKK and the Tea Party are pretty much indistinguishable, don't you? Ignorance is bliss...
Did I infer they were indistinguishable ever in any of my posts? Ever even once? Wouldn't I have placed them "and" or / or perhaps directly stated. I never once insinuated the crazy sect of Republicans are KKK members, that's the point, they're something completely different and generalizing them all together is ridiculous.
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On November 16 2012 04:56 sevencck wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 04:45 Qikz wrote: My step family just moved over from Israel and it's not since listening to them and my Dad who'd worked in Israel for the past 5 years when you realise how pro-palestine the western media actually is.
I don't condone violence in any sense of the word, but firing retaliatory rockets at military targets after they get missiles thrown at civillian areas I have little to no problem with.
Israel and the problems in Palestine wouldn't even be this bad had the Allies after WW2 set up Israel better. The governments back then have killed so many more people, innocent people, than they saved. :/ This is absolutely wrong. I frankly have very little patience remaining for either side in this conflict, but the Western media is absolutely not biased in favor of any part of the Muslim world.
Maybe not in Canada
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On November 16 2012 04:51 empty.bottle wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 04:50 Noam wrote: Don't you mean GOD THANK YOU FOR BUILDING FENCES AROUND ISRAEL? I would never thank god for that. stop 8ting. just wipe yourself off the earth.
Get off this forum man. Comments like this help no-one. Everyone else, regardless of who they are, are trying to have a civil debate. Places like this are where public opinion is formed nowadays, so people are going to argue their case passionately. If you don't like it, get off the internet and talk to some people IRL like that, and see where it gets you.
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