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Israel's Gaza rocket problem
'Determined to follow path of jihad'
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9840 Posts
Gaza missiles fired at Tel Aviv Israel's Gaza rocket problem 'Determined to follow path of jihad' 'Hamas targets our children' UK's Hague criticises Hamas Sound like the main page of an Israeli news website? No, its the BBC. link | ||
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mindjames
Israel433 Posts
On November 16 2012 03:49 TheFrankOne wrote: No man, you really did not make yourself clear, something about aggression and how who actually died doesn't matter. I just don't agree with that. Who actually was killed is always going to be relevant. Good on Israel for minimizing civilian casualties against the rocket attacks. This indicator for aggression thing is what doesn't matter. Hamas fired x rockets that killed y people and Israel launched x attacks that killed y people. They attacked each other, we all know that, plenty of aggression to go around. The truth is that since this bombing more people have died in addition to the people killed in the attack, I gave a source and you haven't tried to dispute the numbers, you're just arguing it doesn't matter because of something about aggression indicators. It does matter, it matters to the Palestinians and the Israelis, fortunately one of those groups have fewer dead than they could have, but people have died. That's what matters and that is what will be used in propaganda to get more fighters and find more money to pay for those rockets, some of which will kill civilians. Personally I would think that whole "They killed 4 kids!" line makes for some damn good advertising, gets the young men nice and angry so they can continue to fight in this awful conflict. @Goozen: Ah, good to know they have stayed down but sad that they continue. You completely missed my point, I was merely responding to someone who implied Israel is to blame for the disproportion of casualties between the sides, as if that is somehow indicative of how "fair" Israel is being (and as I said earlier, this notion of war having to be equal is something very new that is really only applied in Israel's case). And we're both trying to shut down the demagoguery, so I don't understand why you're shutting me down exactly. | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
On November 16 2012 03:55 bonse wrote: Palestinian propaganda machine in action: Staging wounded man removal for BBC report: Recycling tragic photos from other parts of the world to make Israel look bad: http://israelisoldiersmother.blogspot.co.il/2012/11/gaza-heartbreak-and-dead-child.html The way this conflict is escalating, they likely won't need to fake these sort of things.  | ||
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TheRealArtemis
687 Posts
On November 16 2012 03:55 bonse wrote: Palestinian propaganda machine in action: Staging wounded man removal for BBC report: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kvaUmIB87-M Recycling tragic photos from other parts of the world to make Israel look bad: http://israelisoldiersmother.blogspot.co.il/2012/11/gaza-heartbreak-and-dead-child.html Classic. doesnt surprise me one bit. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
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Op
73 Posts
On November 16 2012 03:57 Jockmcplop wrote: HEADLINES: Gaza missiles fired at Tel Aviv Israel's Gaza rocket problem 'Determined to follow path of jihad' 'Hamas targets our children' UK's Hague criticises Hamas Sound like the main page of an Israeli news website? No, its the BBC. link Nice find. Surprised it is the BBC, also noticed in a previous post that the Guardian considers Egypt a "semi-democratic" country (although their elections where considered democratic by outside observers). More in general, there is a big propaganda war ongoing between israelies and palestinians. A good book about it is "People Like Us: Misrepresenting the Middle East" from Joris Luyendijk. | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
On November 16 2012 04:20 WhiteDog wrote: Basically it's Israel election soon and bombing Palestinians is good for Netanyahou. I was actually thinking he wants to weaken Hamas before Iran has the power to back them up. Both work, I guess. There's this crazy theory of mine that this is a simply retaliatory operation, but everyone knows Israel just wants to bomb Palestinians, right? | ||
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Goozen
Israel701 Posts
On November 16 2012 04:20 WhiteDog wrote: Basically it's Israel election soon and bombing Palestinians is good for Netanyahou. Almost the whole political spectrum has rallied around him for this, 120 rockets in 2 days dosnt go without response. Its surprising that they did do this with elections coming up. | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
The Associated Press moves a one-sentence update: GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — Israeli forces move toward Gaza border in prelude to possible ground offensive. Barak: 'Other side will have to pay' for firing rocket at Tel Aviv Israeli defense minister Ehud Barak said Hamas has a price to pay for firing rockets at Tel Aviv. "This escalation will exact a price that the other side will have to pay," Reuters quotes Barak as saying. Barak also announced that 30,000 additional reservists had been put on notice "so that we can prepare for any development". It was unclear whether the reservists have already been called to duty. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/15/israel-gaza-militants-deadly-exchanges-live On November 16 2012 04:24 Goozen wrote: Almost the whole political spectrum has rallied around him for this, 120 rockets in 2 days dosnt go without response. Its surprising that they did do this with elections coming up. Like it was surprising how Cast Lead was 2 months before the election too? | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On November 16 2012 04:24 Goozen wrote: Almost the whole political spectrum has rallied around him for this, 120 rockets in 2 days dosnt go without response. Its surprising that they did do this with elections coming up. Yeah 120 shitty rockets that destroys the side walk. Of course all the political spectrum has rallied around him since being against the bombing is political suicide in this war monger country. And don't tell me the rockets goes all over to Tel'Aviv, I know it's a lie. They barely hit the villages near the border. | ||
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mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
On November 16 2012 04:20 WhiteDog wrote: Basically it's Israel election soon and bombing Palestinians is good for Netanyahou. Booooooo Kadima/Labour 2013 | ||
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mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
On November 16 2012 04:27 WhiteDog wrote: Yeah 120 shitty rockets that destroys the side walk. Of course all the political spectrum has rallied around him since being against the bombing is political suicide in this war monger country. Exactly- i hate how people see the word rockests fired and assume they are american military grade missiles- the rockets the militants fire can barely damage the roof of a house... | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
On November 16 2012 04:28 mrRoflpwn wrote: I hate how the Militants fire a couple rockets that kill pretty much no one, and then in response Israel fires off one missile that kills multiple people and injures even more. We don't like it either. | ||
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Goozen
Israel701 Posts
On November 16 2012 04:24 Derez wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/15/israel-gaza-militants-deadly-exchanges-live Like it was surprising how Cast Lead was 2 months before the election too? The leading party actually lost the elections and didnt gain power from it. I have yet to see any reputable source claim this and anyway i dont see it having more then a effect of 1 seat. | ||
Noam
Israel2209 Posts
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TheRealArtemis
687 Posts
On November 16 2012 04:29 mrRoflpwn wrote: Exactly- i hate how people see the word rockests fired and assume they are american military grade missiles- the rockets the militants fire can barely damage the roof of a house... I dont get people like you. their rockets are meant to kill and harm people. doesnt matter if they actually hit anything. its the act itself. | ||
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Goozen
Israel701 Posts
On November 16 2012 04:29 mrRoflpwn wrote: Exactly- i hate how people see the word rockests fired and assume they are american military grade missiles- the rockets the militants fire can barely damage the roof of a house... Read up this thread, the reason the death count of these rockets is low is due to the iron dome missile defense, it dosnt change the fact the each one of these rockets have such a high mental strain on the population living in fear. Seriously the logic of "hes throwing small stones at you the odds it will kill you are low so you cant respond" is dumb. Edit: perhaps we should respond in kind then? would that make it valid if we randomly fired rockets in to gaza? | ||
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bonse
125 Posts
On November 16 2012 04:20 WhiteDog wrote: Basically it's Israel election soon and bombing Palestinians is good for Netanyahou. According to all opinion polls, a center-right coalition led by Netanyahu would have won elections anyway, and a misstep in war can be the only thing that can cause him to lose elections. | ||
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sorvin
Israel14 Posts
I just love this site and the teamliquid community. Thanks for the love guys. Hopefully this will end soon and the only alarms I will hear will be from SC2 about nuclear launch detected.. terran is scary O.o | ||
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