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Crusifics
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada11 Posts
September 04 2012 14:00 GMT
#2241
On September 04 2012 22:58 Asha` wrote:
Why is the warhound driver disproportionally badass when compared to the complete lack of badassitude for the unit itself?

[image loading]

Petition to have the Warhound model just changed to him and his MANstache


nonono We need the Gangnam style guy in the warhound.
johnny123
Profile Joined February 2012
521 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-04 14:26:03
September 04 2012 14:00 GMT
#2242
On September 04 2012 22:44 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 22:40 Evangelist wrote:
On September 04 2012 22:32 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:
On September 04 2012 22:23 johnny123 wrote:
On September 04 2012 22:11 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:
On September 04 2012 21:57 Illiterate wrote:
Is anyone else pissing themselves in excitement?


I am eager to have a play because I'm a bit bored lately.
I'm actually not looking forward to what this will do to the multiplayer game of SC2 as it is. Several of the units show a clear lack of foresight and direction to me in their design. I hope I'm wrong but I suspect not. The simplest way to put it is "gimmicky" even though it's a bit of a catchall word.

I feel like SC2 only just reached a point of stability and interesting gameplay in the last 6 months, it's aobut to be pissed away.



i am not really worried, you cant expect new units to be added without braking the entire foundation . Question is, will the end result be a better one than wings of liberty? i'd say yes, from a design standpoint



That's where we disagree, I see several units being included in this as just cookie cutter idiot units from some kind of dumb B level RTS developed by people new to the genre.
Battle Hellion and Warhound come to mind.


Er.

The Battle Hellion is just a mechanical Firebat. If you're really that stressed about it, shouldn't you be blaming Brood War for it?



Brood war had a completely different setup of unit diversity, this is not apples and oranges when you factor in what other units can do.
Terran has the most ridiculous compelation of units now, between marine, seige tank, marauder, thor, viking, battle hellion, warhound they basically have every goddamn angle covered a little too convieniently.



i dunno about that, they still lack any real unit to deal with Broodlords in tvz, so they can mech all they want, eventually its going to look the same late game as it is now, Depends how much turtle they are able to get off . And now that vipers are in, i dont see mech being that much of a problem for zerg to deal with.. between burrow charge and viper pull, you have no point.


And against P, me and a friend did alot of testing in the arcade hots map to see what actually counters the warhound. What we found was that any protoss air opening is great, but if you are really stubborn and dont want to go air, and you have confirmed terran mech, its perfectly fine to go double robo immortals. Dont bother about getting colosus cause the warhounds can handle them, but double robo immortal with a few charge lots slaughter any amount of battlehellion/warhound combos ez even up to 200 food . If see variations with mass marines/warhounds instead, add templar/psistorm/archon +immortal.
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Evangelist
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
1246 Posts
September 04 2012 14:01 GMT
#2243
I don't understand why people keep ragging on marauders when they have exactly the same speed, control scheme and punch as marines - arguably the best microable unit in the game. Watching a terran play pure bio is one of the most enjoyable things in the whole game and would be utterly impossible without marauders.

I also notice that people keep going on about marauders and not stalkers. Would someone like to tell me the difference between the dragoon and the marauder?
grindC
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany274 Posts
September 04 2012 14:01 GMT
#2244
On September 04 2012 22:51 Existor wrote:
Static portraits of new units
[image loading]



A zealot... with a bicycle helmet?

Chargelots now get bikes to pedal into battle?

no srsly, what unit is that...
Qgelfich
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany90 Posts
September 04 2012 14:03 GMT
#2245

A zealot... with a bicycle helmet?

Chargelots now get bikes to pedal into battle?

no srsly, what unit is that...
#

I call tempest
Eraserhead
Profile Joined October 2011
159 Posts
September 04 2012 14:03 GMT
#2246
On September 04 2012 22:44 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 22:40 Evangelist wrote:
On September 04 2012 22:32 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:
On September 04 2012 22:23 johnny123 wrote:
On September 04 2012 22:11 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:
On September 04 2012 21:57 Illiterate wrote:
Is anyone else pissing themselves in excitement?


I am eager to have a play because I'm a bit bored lately.
I'm actually not looking forward to what this will do to the multiplayer game of SC2 as it is. Several of the units show a clear lack of foresight and direction to me in their design. I hope I'm wrong but I suspect not. The simplest way to put it is "gimmicky" even though it's a bit of a catchall word.

I feel like SC2 only just reached a point of stability and interesting gameplay in the last 6 months, it's aobut to be pissed away.



i am not really worried, you cant expect new units to be added without braking the entire foundation . Question is, will the end result be a better one than wings of liberty? i'd say yes, from a design standpoint



That's where we disagree, I see several units being included in this as just cookie cutter idiot units from some kind of dumb B level RTS developed by people new to the genre.
Battle Hellion and Warhound come to mind.


Er.

The Battle Hellion is just a mechanical Firebat. If you're really that stressed about it, shouldn't you be blaming Brood War for it?



Brood war had a completely different setup of unit diversity, this is not apples and oranges when you factor in what other units can do.
Terran has the most ridiculous compelation of units now, between marine, seige tank, marauder, thor, viking, battle hellion, warhound they basically have every goddamn angle covered a little too convieniently.


yes, and Zerg got every angle covered with infestors, could you also explain to me how battle hellion, warhounds and mines are going to help deal with the zerg lategame army?
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
September 04 2012 14:03 GMT
#2247
On September 04 2012 23:01 grindC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 22:51 Existor wrote:
Static portraits of new units
[image loading]



A zealot... with a bicycle helmet?

Chargelots now get bikes to pedal into battle?

no srsly, what unit is that...

Cannot unsee...
TheSkunk
Profile Joined September 2010
82 Posts
September 04 2012 14:07 GMT
#2248
MavercK (or anyone else able to test the units) do any of the new units have dance animations yet?
HowardRoark
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
1146 Posts
September 04 2012 14:08 GMT
#2249
On September 04 2012 22:53 Wildmoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 22:50 Brahoono wrote:
On September 04 2012 22:46 Lorch wrote:
On September 04 2012 22:43 Brahoono wrote:
On September 04 2012 22:40 Evangelist wrote:
On September 04 2012 22:32 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:
On September 04 2012 22:23 johnny123 wrote:
On September 04 2012 22:11 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:
On September 04 2012 21:57 Illiterate wrote:
Is anyone else pissing themselves in excitement?


I am eager to have a play because I'm a bit bored lately.
I'm actually not looking forward to what this will do to the multiplayer game of SC2 as it is. Several of the units show a clear lack of foresight and direction to me in their design. I hope I'm wrong but I suspect not. The simplest way to put it is "gimmicky" even though it's a bit of a catchall word.

I feel like SC2 only just reached a point of stability and interesting gameplay in the last 6 months, it's aobut to be pissed away.



i am not really worried, you cant expect new units to be added without braking the entire foundation . Question is, will the end result be a better one than wings of liberty? i'd say yes, from a design standpoint



That's where we disagree, I see several units being included in this as just cookie cutter idiot units from some kind of dumb B level RTS developed by people new to the genre.
Battle Hellion and Warhound come to mind.


Er.

The Battle Hellion is just a mechanical Firebat. If you're really that stressed about it, shouldn't you be blaming Brood War for it?


Battle Hellions are acceptable, but the Warhound on the other hand is just stupid...same with the Tempest.


If someone would erase all my memory about wol and show me all the new units they made from bw to star 2 I'd say the exact same thing about roach/marauder/colossi/fungal etc. pp.
This is just the first build of beta it's probably gonna take another year until we can talk about this game being balanced, way too early to call units stupid.



Roach/Marauder/especially Colossi...(i like infestors) are pretty dumb units to begin with. So yeah I'd still call Warhound and Tempest incredibly dumb and very poorly designed. And this has like nothing to do with balancing the game.


Marauders turned out to be great imo. It made terran bio so strong in every MU.

Good as in strong, but not good as in well designed units that will keep Star2 alive as an esport. I have noticed this a lot lately, that some people discuss how strong the units will be and be satisfied if they fill their role and makes the race stronger, while I just look at the unit in an esport spectator POW. What are we spectators/players after? Is is strong units that complete the gaps in the races, or well designed units that Star2 lacks? Warhound is sure to be satisfying those who ask for strong units in Terran, but the unit looks utterly bland and anti-esport.

Pro players using mech in BW made for good show since it lead to covering much terrain while being being immobile, while Vultures were the "Frontiermen" so to speak. What HotS seem to be giving us us just a new kind of bio that looks like giant robots walking around in the same blob that I have learned to despise. Mech was not interesting for spectators because they had steel instead of skin, but because it had to be played completely different than bio and slowly pushing. Now, this is not what we will get in HotS.
"It is really good to get the double observatory if you want to get the speed and sight range for the observer simultaneously. It's a little bit of an advanced tactic, and by advanced, I mean really fucking bad."
Cabinet Sanchez
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia1097 Posts
September 04 2012 14:08 GMT
#2250
On September 04 2012 23:03 Zane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 23:01 grindC wrote:
On September 04 2012 22:51 Existor wrote:
Static portraits of new units
[image loading]



A zealot... with a bicycle helmet?

Chargelots now get bikes to pedal into battle?

no srsly, what unit is that...

Cannot unsee...


No dude, skateboard makes it much funnier.
Vansetsu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1454 Posts
September 04 2012 14:08 GMT
#2251
On September 04 2012 23:03 Zane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 23:01 grindC wrote:
On September 04 2012 22:51 Existor wrote:
Static portraits of new units
[image loading]



A zealot... with a bicycle helmet?

Chargelots now get bikes to pedal into battle?

no srsly, what unit is that...

Cannot unsee...


Rofl. That made me laugh so incredibly hard. Hope some kind of update comes out soon so I don't have to keep peeking at this thread.
Only by overcoming many obstacles does a river become - デイヴィ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ド
Rimak
Profile Joined January 2012
Denmark434 Posts
September 04 2012 14:09 GMT
#2252
On September 04 2012 23:03 Zane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 23:01 grindC wrote:
On September 04 2012 22:51 Existor wrote:
Static portraits of new units
[image loading]



A zealot... with a bicycle helmet?

Chargelots now get bikes to pedal into battle?

no srsly, what unit is that...

Cannot unsee...

Damit, i will now laugh so hard every time i see this in game..
2000 Jungler 66% Hecarim, 63% Volibear, 60% Jarvan IV
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
September 04 2012 14:12 GMT
#2253
As a meching terran I am so so excited for the widow mine. Squeal!
Buchan
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada184 Posts
September 04 2012 14:14 GMT
#2254
On September 04 2012 22:53 Lorch wrote:
So can anyone who got it to work post like a tutorial on how to merge the mpqs and add them in the editor?
This. I'm a complete noob when it comes to the editor. Someone HELPP
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 04 2012 14:15 GMT
#2255
That zealot tron helmet is sick1
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
GunHogz
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada47 Posts
September 04 2012 14:15 GMT
#2256
I can't find any HoTs units in the Beta editor. Or do I look some where else?
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
September 04 2012 14:16 GMT
#2257
On September 04 2012 23:01 grindC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 22:51 Existor wrote:
Static portraits of new units
[image loading]



A zealot... with a bicycle helmet?

Chargelots now get bikes to pedal into battle?

no srsly, what unit is that...

He looks like he drives the Oracle.
wajd
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
240 Posts
September 04 2012 14:17 GMT
#2258
I really wish Blizzard would give us more info about..... everything. Keeping us in the dark always is just mean.
Sroobz
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1377 Posts
September 04 2012 14:17 GMT
#2259
On September 04 2012 23:14 Buchan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 22:53 Lorch wrote:
So can anyone who got it to work post like a tutorial on how to merge the mpqs and add them in the editor?
This. I'm a complete noob when it comes to the editor. Someone HELPP



Explain
Flash---Taeja---Mvp---Byun---DRG
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-04 14:18:24
September 04 2012 14:17 GMT
#2260
On September 04 2012 23:08 HowardRoark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 22:53 Wildmoon wrote:
On September 04 2012 22:50 Brahoono wrote:
On September 04 2012 22:46 Lorch wrote:
On September 04 2012 22:43 Brahoono wrote:
On September 04 2012 22:40 Evangelist wrote:
On September 04 2012 22:32 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:
On September 04 2012 22:23 johnny123 wrote:
On September 04 2012 22:11 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:
On September 04 2012 21:57 Illiterate wrote:
Is anyone else pissing themselves in excitement?


I am eager to have a play because I'm a bit bored lately.
I'm actually not looking forward to what this will do to the multiplayer game of SC2 as it is. Several of the units show a clear lack of foresight and direction to me in their design. I hope I'm wrong but I suspect not. The simplest way to put it is "gimmicky" even though it's a bit of a catchall word.

I feel like SC2 only just reached a point of stability and interesting gameplay in the last 6 months, it's aobut to be pissed away.



i am not really worried, you cant expect new units to be added without braking the entire foundation . Question is, will the end result be a better one than wings of liberty? i'd say yes, from a design standpoint



That's where we disagree, I see several units being included in this as just cookie cutter idiot units from some kind of dumb B level RTS developed by people new to the genre.
Battle Hellion and Warhound come to mind.


Er.

The Battle Hellion is just a mechanical Firebat. If you're really that stressed about it, shouldn't you be blaming Brood War for it?


Battle Hellions are acceptable, but the Warhound on the other hand is just stupid...same with the Tempest.


If someone would erase all my memory about wol and show me all the new units they made from bw to star 2 I'd say the exact same thing about roach/marauder/colossi/fungal etc. pp.
This is just the first build of beta it's probably gonna take another year until we can talk about this game being balanced, way too early to call units stupid.



Roach/Marauder/especially Colossi...(i like infestors) are pretty dumb units to begin with. So yeah I'd still call Warhound and Tempest incredibly dumb and very poorly designed. And this has like nothing to do with balancing the game.


Marauders turned out to be great imo. It made terran bio so strong in every MU.

Good as in strong, but not good as in well designed units that will keep Star2 alive as an esport. I have noticed this a lot lately, that some people discuss how strong the units will be and be satisfied if they fill their role and makes the race stronger, while I just look at the unit in an esport spectator POW. What are we spectators/players after? Is is strong units that complete the gaps in the races, or well designed units that Star2 lacks? Warhound is sure to be satisfying those who ask for strong units in Terran, but the unit looks utterly bland and anti-esport.

Pro players using mech in BW made for good show since it lead to covering much terrain while being being immobile, while Vultures were the "Frontiermen" so to speak. What HotS seem to be giving us us just a new kind of bio that looks like giant robots walking around in the same blob that I have learned to despise. Mech was not interesting for spectators because they had steel instead of skin, but because it had to be played completely different than bio and slowly pushing. Now, this is not what we will get in HotS.


Bio is great towatch in SC2 imo. That's why I said marauders turned out to be great. If Blizzard manages to make both mech and bio great in HotS then that would be amazing.
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