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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8181 Posts
June 18 2012 04:30 GMT
#21
the article itself even says there are other churches around the world that claim to have the real remains of him lol
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Motiva
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1774 Posts
June 18 2012 04:31 GMT
#22
Lol sensationalist indeed

On June 18 2012 13:28 Archas wrote:
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On June 18 2012 13:24 Atheist wrote:
So what? They can discover every bone of everyone in that cute little fairy tale book you christians call the bible, but it changes nothing about the fact that there is no way to prove your god exists.

I'm praying for you.


LOL
GreenManalishi
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada834 Posts
June 18 2012 04:31 GMT
#23
On June 18 2012 13:19 fYlddnaHturtDyaWdmAi wrote:
John the Baptist, the character in the Christian Bible who baptized Jesus Christ, is found, according to scientists. They found relics in a small marble sarcophagus two years ago on a Bulgarian island called Sveti Ivan, which translates as Saint John. Bulgarian archaeologists had found a small box made of hardened volcanic ash close to the sarcophagus. A research team from Oxford University dated the right-handed knuckle bone to the first century AD. And scientists from the University of Copenhagen analysed the DNA of the bones, finding they came from a single individual, probably a man, from a family in the modern-day Middle East, where John would have lived.

This is an interesting and important find as science and human technology are unpacking and reinforcing the story of man and of the historical accounts in the Bible. It is yet another proof of the story of Jesus and his teachings. We still have much to learn, and hopefully science and religion will corroborate to bring humanity to discover its history and the greater purpose of life as described in its historical accounts.

The findings are to be presented in a documentary to be aired on The National Geographic channel in Britain on Sunday.

Source: http://news.discovery.com/history/john-baptist-bones-120615.html
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Scientists have found new evidence they say supports the theory that a knuckle bone and other human remains found under a church floor in Bulgaria may be of John the Baptist.

The relics found in a small marble sarcophagus two years ago on a Bulgarian island called Sveti Ivan, which translates as Saint John, also included a human tooth, part of a skull and three animal bones. A research team from Oxford University dated the right-handed knuckle bone to the first century AD, when John is believed to have lived until his beheading ordered by king Herod, the university said in a statement.

And scientists from the University of Copenhagen analysed the DNA of the bones, finding they came from a single individual, probably a man, from a family in the modern-day Middle East, where John would have lived. While these findings do not definitively prove anything, they also don't refute the theory first proffered by the Bulgarian archaeologists who found the remains while excavating under an ancient church on the island.

Many sites around the world claim to hold relics of the saint, including the Grand Mosque in Damascus which says it has his head. The right hand with which the prophet allegedly baptised Jesus in the River Jordan is also claimed to be held by several entities, including a Serbian Orthodox monastery in Montenegro. "The result from the metacarpal hand bone is clearly consistent with someone who lived in the early first century AD," Oxford University professor Tom Higham said of the new study.

"Whether that person is John the Baptist is a question that we cannot yet definitely answer and probably never will." Bulgarian archaeologists had found a small box made of hardened volcanic ash close to the sarcophagus. The box bore inscriptions in ancient Greek that referred to John the Baptist and the date that Christians celebrate his birth, June 24. The findings of another Oxford researcher, using historical documents, suggest that the monastery of Sveti Ivan may have received a portion of John the Baptist's relics in the fifth or early sixth centuries.

The findings are to be presented in a documentary to be aired on The National Geographic channel in Britain on Sunday.

I've seen the head of John the Bapist twice. Pardon me for being skeptical of another claim on his remains.
HorsemasterK
Profile Joined August 2010
United States606 Posts
June 18 2012 04:31 GMT
#24
I think the more relevant question is: was he an alien?
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
June 18 2012 04:32 GMT
#25
Fully expect this thread to be closed due to religion bashing but yeah..

hard to take this finding seriously. Reminds me of many of the other Bible History hoaxes such as
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 18 2012 04:33 GMT
#26
how'd they find teeth if his head was served up on a silver platter?
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NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 04:36:45
June 18 2012 04:34 GMT
#27
They only found a hand. They need a head that clearly shows signs of disembowelment before they can even imply it was John the Baptist, and well good luck with that.
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Suende
Profile Joined July 2011
United States43 Posts
June 18 2012 04:34 GMT
#28
Hmm also how many hands of "John the Baptist" are around now? 8 maybe?
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Tatari
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1179 Posts
June 18 2012 04:34 GMT
#29
I was expecting a severed head to be found next to a skeleton... Not some wild theory that a bunch of bones could be John the Baptist.

People are so bored these days that they just have the desire to spout random bullshit eh?
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Atheist
Profile Joined December 2011
186 Posts
June 18 2012 04:34 GMT
#30
On June 18 2012 13:27 PH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 13:24 Atheist wrote:
So what? They can discover every bone of everyone in that cute little fairy tale book you christians call the bible, but it changes nothing about the fact that there is no way to prove your god exists.

OP is a little overeager, but you're an asshole.

What is "asshole" about pointing a logical and scientific truth about the non-existence of god based on empirical evidence? Like I said, that little bible book might be the most accurate and comprehensive historical encyclopedia in the entire universe, but there is NO WAY to prove god's existence. I really pray to god that he appears before me in a crowd of a million people, and right then and there I will be the first one to kiss his feet and declare myself the first pope of his churce in that new era of faith. Until then, no thanks.
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
June 18 2012 04:35 GMT
#31
On June 18 2012 13:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
OP's name is "fYlddnaHturtDyaWdmAi"

Backwards is: I am the way, the truth, and the life... something religious, I assume?

I think you sent him back to his home in the 5th dimension where he will be for a minimum of 90 days.
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
June 18 2012 04:36 GMT
#32
On June 18 2012 13:34 Atheist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 13:27 PH wrote:
On June 18 2012 13:24 Atheist wrote:
So what? They can discover every bone of everyone in that cute little fairy tale book you christians call the bible, but it changes nothing about the fact that there is no way to prove your god exists.

OP is a little overeager, but you're an asshole.

What is "asshole" about pointing a logical and scientific truth about the non-existence of god based on empirical evidence? Like I said, that little bible book might be the most accurate and comprehensive historical encyclopedia in the entire universe, but there is NO WAY to prove god's existence. I really pray to god that he appears before me in a crowd of a million people, and right then and there I will be the first one to kiss his feet and declare myself the first pope of his churce in that new era of faith. Until then, no thanks.


You are right, of course. Religious claims are factual claims like any other, and should be responded to as such.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46540 Posts
June 18 2012 04:37 GMT
#33
On June 18 2012 13:34 Atheist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 13:27 PH wrote:
On June 18 2012 13:24 Atheist wrote:
So what? They can discover every bone of everyone in that cute little fairy tale book you christians call the bible, but it changes nothing about the fact that there is no way to prove your god exists.

OP is a little overeager, but you're an asshole.

What is "asshole" about pointing a logical and scientific truth about the non-existence of god based on empirical evidence? Like I said, that little bible book might be the most accurate and comprehensive historical encyclopedia in the entire universe, but there is NO WAY to prove god's existence. I really pray to god that he appears before me in a crowd of a million people, and right then and there I will be the first one to kiss his feet and declare myself the first pope of his churce in that new era of faith. Until then, no thanks.


We're not talking about whether or not God exists though, so relax.

Plenty of us are atheists, but there's no reason to jump down the OP's throat when he's not talking about the remains of a dead guy validating the entire religion and his personal deity. Complete non sequitur, as you yourself pointed out.
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synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 04:37:38
June 18 2012 04:37 GMT
#34
On June 18 2012 13:30 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 13:24 Atheist wrote:
So what? They can discover every bone of everyone in that cute little fairy tale book you christians call the bible, but it changes nothing about the fact that there is no way to prove your god exists.


Shit like this is exactly why I don't talk about religion. There's always an aggressive atheist who not only disagrees, but feels the need to insult anybody who is. Congrats bro, go post this to r/atheism along with some facebook pictures of you insulting somebody for saying they'll be praying for somebody else. It'll be a hoot.

That said... this article is rubbish. They found almost nothing. A part of a finger that they can't prove is in any way John the Baptist's.

Yeah, exactly. I think OP is getting a little too eager for his personal truth to be proven.
:)
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
June 18 2012 04:38 GMT
#35
On June 18 2012 13:27 PH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 13:24 Atheist wrote:
So what? They can discover every bone of everyone in that cute little fairy tale book you christians call the bible, but it changes nothing about the fact that there is no way to prove your god exists.

OP is a little overeager, but you're an asshole.

its the internet..?
Motiva
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1774 Posts
June 18 2012 04:38 GMT
#36
On June 18 2012 13:34 Atheist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 13:27 PH wrote:
On June 18 2012 13:24 Atheist wrote:
So what? They can discover every bone of everyone in that cute little fairy tale book you christians call the bible, but it changes nothing about the fact that there is no way to prove your god exists.

OP is a little overeager, but you're an asshole.

What is "asshole" about pointing a logical and scientific truth about the non-existence of god based on empirical evidence? Like I said, that little bible book might be the most accurate and comprehensive historical encyclopedia in the entire universe, but there is NO WAY to prove god's existence. I really pray to god that he appears before me in a crowd of a million people, and right then and there I will be the first one to kiss his feet and declare myself the first pope of his churce in that new era of faith. Until then, no thanks.


It's actually pretty normal to call people who go around "pointing out logical and scientific truth" an asshole. Particularly with all the hate baiting ^^
fYlddnaHturtDyaWdmAi
Profile Joined February 2012
Israel157 Posts
June 18 2012 04:38 GMT
#37
On June 18 2012 13:35 Roe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 13:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
OP's name is "fYlddnaHturtDyaWdmAi"

Backwards is: I am the way, the truth, and the life... something religious, I assume?

I think you sent him back to his home in the 5th dimension where he will be for a minimum of 90 days.

What is wrong about being a Catholic? I have never used it to provoke anyone nor spread dogma. And I have never insulted anyone who has a different faith from me. You are being very rude.
"Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy. "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God. "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
OptimusYale
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)1005 Posts
June 18 2012 04:39 GMT
#38
On June 18 2012 13:34 Atheist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 13:27 PH wrote:
On June 18 2012 13:24 Atheist wrote:
So what? They can discover every bone of everyone in that cute little fairy tale book you christians call the bible, but it changes nothing about the fact that there is no way to prove your god exists.

OP is a little overeager, but you're an asshole.

What is "asshole" about pointing a logical and scientific truth about the non-existence of god based on empirical evidence? Like I said, that little bible book might be the most accurate and comprehensive historical encyclopedia in the entire universe, but there is NO WAY to prove god's existence. I really pray to god that he appears before me in a crowd of a million people, and right then and there I will be the first one to kiss his feet and declare myself the first pope of his churce in that new era of faith. Until then, no thanks.



Well to be honest, you just cited a way to prove God's existence by him coming up to you and saying 'Bitch I'm god'. Don't try and use logic if you yourself don't understand the logical assertions of your statements
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46540 Posts
June 18 2012 04:39 GMT
#39
On June 18 2012 13:35 Roe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 13:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
OP's name is "fYlddnaHturtDyaWdmAi"

Backwards is: I am the way, the truth, and the life... something religious, I assume?

I think you sent him back to his home in the 5th dimension where he will be for a minimum of 90 days.


Love the reference :D

I have heard many stories of these kinds of things in the past though... so this doesn't seem to be any more likely.

The Maury Show will surely just do another DNA test, and then we'll hear the usual " As for the question of whether you are the holy priest, Mr. Skeleton, you are not the Father!"
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
MetalPanda
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1152 Posts
June 18 2012 04:39 GMT
#40
The sarcophagus could be anyone's. The dude was christian and asked for that name to be on it.
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