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On June 01 2012 15:46 brachester wrote:
It is somewhat a legitimate issues that not only happen in korea, but also in several Asian countries. The girls tend to prefer to have relationship with foreigners (for different purposes). As the guy in the video said, they tend to be quite rush in developing relationship with foreigners so it can lead to several issues such as HIV or scam which is the opposite with having relationship with Korean guys in which they have more time to figure whether the relationship is worth it.
I don't think the purpose of the video is about bashing foreigners, but rather spreading awareness about a legitimate issue.
Anyone who has traveled enough knows that men go to certain foreign countries to meet women and Korea is a hot spot at least for American men. But I disagree with how the video portrays all the Korean women as the victims. No ones forcing anyone into anything, if the woman rushes the relationship and it doesn't work out well then its partially their fault as well. Im not sure exactly what you mean about scam though.
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On June 01 2012 20:13 felisconcolori wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 19:47 arbitrageur wrote:On June 01 2012 19:44 felisconcolori wrote:On June 01 2012 19:09 arbitrageur wrote:On June 01 2012 19:07 felisconcolori wrote:On June 01 2012 18:24 arbitrageur wrote:On June 01 2012 18:21 Crushinator wrote:On June 01 2012 18:17 arbitrageur wrote:On June 01 2012 17:25 PiGStarcraft wrote:On June 01 2012 16:10 arbitrageur wrote:
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So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims.
Can't forget a control sample either... This isn't www.elitistpricks.comYou clearly go to university and are very proud of this fact. I guess anyone that doesn't know how to find or reference academic papers doesn't have an opinion worth hearing anymore? And of course everything in this world that exists outside of quantified and categorised data musn't be worth talking about. Ugh, now I feel bad for adopting the same snotty tone you were using. Just trying to say the tone of your messages is very elitist and you can't just demand everyone who wishes to talk about something needs to reference their claims as if it's a university paper. This isn't an academic forum so hoping for that would be a bit silly. Nothing against you personally just I think you're posts were a little off. Good day! He/she made factual claims without providing evidence for them upon request. His beliefs on this matter were formed from a sample size of 1 individual, and perhaps news reports. This is how racist people think. They draw inference from crappy data. I was just pointing out that he was thinking about this badly. I know you are very proud that you just had your first statistics course or something, but you don't actually have to back up every claim you make in a casual discussion. The fact that Vietnam has problems with foreign sex-tourism is pretty common knowledge. Common knowledge does not have to backed up in an academic setting, let alone an internet message board. The common knowledge defence. lmao. Ahh, yes, the common knowledge defence... just like the one you used to support your statement on the IQ of those who have a high pigment content in their skin. Telling someone that something is "commonly known, just google it" is... EXACTLY THE SAME THING YOU'RE MOCKING HIM FOR USING. Troll. Apologies to the rest of the universe, but I cannot possibly read this without responding or having an aneurysm. Or both. How is pointing him in the direction of scientific, published evidence, an appeal to common knowledge? What are you talking about? You are not pointing him in the direction of scientific, published evidence. You are saying "cbf citing something myself, so you should go search for it because it's commonly known (by me) that it's true." You are making a factual assertion without any reference. When called on it, you are saying "cbf, look it up using this search engine". That is not providing evidence to support your claim - if you believe it is, I invite you to utilize this same statement in an academic setting. Google Scholar does not provide scientific, published evidence. It provides an index of articles which may be published, may be scientific, but may not in any way be evidence or even factual. There is no guarantee that the results provided will be from ONLY peer reviewed, accepted journals. There is no guarantee that the results will not include incorrect information from outdated, disproven, or questionable sources. Pointing someone to a specific series of results or commonly accepted (academicly) book that is hailed as a standard for the subject at hand might be acceptable. Saying "Google scholar it" is one half step up from "wiki it". It is in fact, a way of saying "my common knowledge is better than your common knowledge - I cannot prove this but I can tell you how to search for what makes it so". http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf Ah yes. You are citing the work of a professor most well known for the criticisms of his work. This is not scientific proof. This is a survey of previous research, inheriting all of the flaws present in those other works and only choosing those studies which allow Rushton to agree with his long held belief in the inherent superiority of one group of people chosen on the basis of skin pigmentation. (I will leave off mentioning that this is a psychologist attempting to prove genetics without any of the requisite skills, ability, or any reference to actual biological science.) In short - no, that work is contradicted by many others and the debate is still ongoing. (Ref - http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/Suzuki-Aronson.pdf ) Psychological research is questionable in this regard (conflicting results and debate about what results mean) and any attempt to generalize a result to a wider population than your sample will be difficult.
I was citing it in support of my only claim; Mean black IQ < White IQ. I don't care about his hypotheses regarding the genetic causes of this observation. Thanks for adding to that discussion though, that'll be an interesting paper to have a skim of.
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Because women have no say in what they do and how they act. Blame the men.
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On June 01 2012 20:11 arbitrageur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 20:02 Zahir wrote:On June 01 2012 19:45 arbitrageur wrote:On June 01 2012 19:39 Zahir wrote:
Hilarious. A bunch of people defending the scientific method and holding up as their example a study on intelligent quotient, one of the least objective measurements ever, an inherently flawed attempt to quantify the mind and reduce human potential to a number. Might as well link those old 19th scholarly works about the cranial sizes of the various races.
The fact that you link a bunch of numbers with no coherent interpretation or analysis that takes into account the social and historical factors contributing to results shows just how blinded this obsession with data has made you to the actual truth. In the absence of studies, a condition necessarily imposed the complexity and difficulty in studying this particular issue, a truly wise man would settle for what data he could get, in this case, anecdotes. I make no defense of the video, but let's not dismiss every person who comes in here with first or secondhand knowledge, when scholarship is unlikely to provide anything better.
Demanding academic studies when you KNOW that any that exist, if they even do exist, are likely to be heavily flawed is the opposite of smart. It's rigid thinking at best, disingenuous at worst. What the heck are you talking about? The claim was that white people have a higher IQ than black people. We never stated that we think the things you think that we're thinking. You crayzay. flawed statistic... provides no meaningful analysis You have no idea what you're talking about. http://edit.onetest.com.au/awms/Upload/documents/whitepapers/Schmidt and Hunter Summary - Onetest.pdfYes, I've read the original paper, I can't find the link on the journal search site of my Uni at the moment though.
You digress, discussing the validity of aforementioned research regarding race and IQ does not belong in this thread. Explaining why scientific evidence should be provided is relevant and I think we concluded that discussion already. If you disagree see my previous post and let me know why.
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There are Swedish people who feel resentment against foreigners "stealing" Swedish women as well. It's not impossible that reporting like this would make it into national television in Sweden if our population was more homogeneous.
It's unfortunate that opinions such as these are indoctrinated into such a large audience (I wouldn't be suprised if it caused violence) but it doesn't mean Koreans are very different from citizens of other industrialized countries.
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On June 01 2012 20:20 Mecker wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 20:11 arbitrageur wrote:On June 01 2012 20:02 Zahir wrote:On June 01 2012 19:45 arbitrageur wrote:On June 01 2012 19:39 Zahir wrote:
Hilarious. A bunch of people defending the scientific method and holding up as their example a study on intelligent quotient, one of the least objective measurements ever, an inherently flawed attempt to quantify the mind and reduce human potential to a number. Might as well link those old 19th scholarly works about the cranial sizes of the various races.
The fact that you link a bunch of numbers with no coherent interpretation or analysis that takes into account the social and historical factors contributing to results shows just how blinded this obsession with data has made you to the actual truth. In the absence of studies, a condition necessarily imposed the complexity and difficulty in studying this particular issue, a truly wise man would settle for what data he could get, in this case, anecdotes. I make no defense of the video, but let's not dismiss every person who comes in here with first or secondhand knowledge, when scholarship is unlikely to provide anything better.
Demanding academic studies when you KNOW that any that exist, if they even do exist, are likely to be heavily flawed is the opposite of smart. It's rigid thinking at best, disingenuous at worst. What the heck are you talking about? The claim was that white people have a higher IQ than black people. We never stated that we think the things you think that we're thinking. You crayzay. flawed statistic... provides no meaningful analysis You have no idea what you're talking about. http://edit.onetest.com.au/awms/Upload/documents/whitepapers/Schmidt and Hunter Summary - Onetest.pdfYes, I've read the original paper, I can't find the link on the journal search site of my Uni at the moment though. You digress, discussing the validity of aforementioned research regarding race and IQ does not belong in this thread. Explaining why scientific evidence should be provided is relevant and I think we concluded that discussion already. If you disagree see my previous post and let me know why.
Agree with everything you've said.
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"Mixed couples showing daring intimacy"
What the actual fuck?
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Well, just proves what I have been thinking all along: television is garbage.
Don't know why there is such a hot debate going around here, no nation can claim to have no bad tv shows spouting nonsense.
As long as you don't find signs like this accepted by the broad populace for example, I wouldn't blame a whole Country for what a single tv show says as some of the posters here seem to try:
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No one's blaming the ENTIRE COUNTRY.
That "garbage" gets made for a reason - it has an audience. If there was no xenophobia to pander to, they would sensationalize something else.
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Watched 30 seconds and couldn't take it. It's a pity that bullshit like this is presented as fact =/
To be fair though, it's not just "white foreigners" who are singled out in these kind of PR attacks. I know that Chinese people get owned by the Korean media pretty hard, and there's not much love for SE Asians either.
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Maybe it is true? You don't live in korea, how do you know the state of things?
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On June 01 2012 20:40 sc2guy wrote:
Maybe it is true? You don't live in korea, how do you know the state of things?
Occam's razor.
Don't ascribe something to the completely implausible (many foreigners in South Korea are disease-ridden frauds and rapists) to something entirely plausible (sensationalist media panders to public xenophobia to make a quick buck).
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On June 01 2012 20:40 sc2guy wrote:
Maybe it is true? You don't live in korea, how do you know the state of things?
What state of things? That women are making their own decisions about who to fuck?
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if you think its dumb why get mad..
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On June 01 2012 20:49 everytimee wrote:
if you think its dumb why get mad..
Because it's insulting for this drivel to be acceptable on a major TV network in a first world country that's a close economic partner?
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I dont think we should victimise korean females.
But the desire/demand of girls for white males can be quite singificant in some Asian coutnries...
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On June 01 2012 20:06 arbitrageur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 20:02 Zahir wrote:On June 01 2012 19:45 arbitrageur wrote:On June 01 2012 19:39 Zahir wrote:
Hilarious. A bunch of people defending the scientific method and holding up as their example a study on intelligent quotient, one of the least objective measurements ever, an inherently flawed attempt to quantify the mind and reduce human potential to a number. Might as well link those old 19th scholarly works about the cranial sizes of the various races.
The fact that you link a bunch of numbers with no coherent interpretation or analysis that takes into account the social and historical factors contributing to results shows just how blinded this obsession with data has made you to the actual truth. In the absence of studies, a condition necessarily imposed the complexity and difficulty in studying this particular issue, a truly wise man would settle for what data he could get, in this case, anecdotes. I make no defense of the video, but let's not dismiss every person who comes in here with first or secondhand knowledge, when scholarship is unlikely to provide anything better.
Demanding academic studies when you KNOW that any that exist, if they even do exist, are likely to be heavily flawed is the opposite of smart. It's rigid thinking at best, disingenuous at worst. What the heck are you talking about? The claim was that white people have a higher IQ than black people. We never stated that we think the things you think that we're thinking. You crayzay. I didn't say what you thought, i said what you linked. A study centered on a flawed statistic, the relevance of which has never been proven, and provides no meaningful analysis; indeed, no meaning whatsoever. And this is the type of study youd like to see?! Data that doesnt represent what it claims to with no insight or interpretation attached? Oh sorry about misunderstanding you. I just assumed that humans can't read about 20,000 words in 10 minutes.
To give you the benefit of the doubt, I went back and gave the study a more thorough reading. My point stands. The work develops no models or analysis of its own, it simply provides the data (iq scores), runs through some of the models used to explain the data and then claims that some of them are wrong. No actual explanation of why the iq scores are different. Just tells you "it might be 50/50 genetic, it might be 100% culture, here is why we think 100% of the cultural explanations are wrong." no one was actually dumb enough to come right out and say they think black people are just naturally dumber, so the study had essentially no conclusions, other than to criticize certain models.
This is the type of study you want to see about social issues? "we don't know anything but here's why those guys are wrong". How can anyone possibly support a hypothesis when all the studies are treading around the issue and doing none of the actual work of supporting an interpretation of the data, but rather taking the easy road of criticizing someone else's. Again, some social issues are unlikely to ever be the subject of real studies, by which I mean ones that actually attempt to explain the data rather than tiptoeing around and attempting to disprove explanations the authors do not agree with.
When the data is inherently flawed, as in the case of any complex social issue, it becomes impossible to draw conclusions from, which is why all the studies on it will be attempts to disprove explanations. Better To recognize the limitations of data and typical academic methods in the first place. I would again point to anecdote and public opinion as an important starting point.
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this is one of the funniest things i've ever seen. Korean women like white guys, sleep with them, therefore white guys are bad. Fantastic logic there.
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I had a good laugh at it. I think these kinds of trash "documentaries" occur in all countries.
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