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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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x2fst
1272 Posts
On May 15 2012 14:38 Ace wrote: prob more likely he's 5th, but after wade the value of kobe/manu/harden/gordon is probably fairly closeEric Gordon will be the third best SG in the league next year gordon is probably the worst defender, and def a bad rebounder (which matters some) of that group by a pretty solid margin and i don't think he's really better than any of them on offense this reminds me what a shame it was that roy couldn't stay healthy | ||
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icystorage
Jollibee19350 Posts
On May 15 2012 17:04 x2fst wrote: prob more likely he's 5th, but after wade the value of kobe/manu/harden/gordon is probably fairly close gordon is probably the worst defender, and def a bad rebounder (which matters some) of that group by a pretty solid margin and i don't think he's really better than any of them on offense this reminds me what a shame it was that roy couldn't stay healthy brandon roy  | ||
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x2fst
1272 Posts
![[image loading]](https://twimg0-a.akamaihd.net/profile_images/2219815354/Screen_Shot_2012-05-15_at_12.47.44_AM.png) who mad? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On May 15 2012 17:04 x2fst wrote: prob more likely he's 5th, but after wade the value of kobe/manu/harden/gordon is probably fairly close gordon is probably the worst defender, and def a bad rebounder (which matters some) of that group by a pretty solid margin and i don't think he's really better than any of them on offense this reminds me what a shame it was that roy couldn't stay healthy Gordon is a bad rebounder but offensively he's better than Harden and maybe Manu. Harden is the worst defender of all of them though. Only problem with EJ is sample size since he's shown potential stud status in only flashes outside of the Clippers. | ||
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x2fst
1272 Posts
also think harden has a higher peak on offense, i don't see a valid reason why he can't capable of what manu did at his peak (ie: clearly better than gordon), perhaps harden lacks some of manu's flair. manu is 34 so whatever, wouldn't be too hard to leapfrog him, especially when minutes are taken into account | ||
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
On May 15 2012 16:48 Ace wrote: Size doesn't matter much in the NBA and hasn't for a long, long time. With perimeter superstars tearing the league apart the last 30 years perimeter defense is much more important than having bigs. Shaq and Timmy dominated the 2000s tho. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
That aside why has no other big man dominated besides them with the exception of KG? | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13536 Posts
and Hakeem (last 30 years right?). | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
There's gotta be something goin down in Portland. Them injuries. | ||
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
On May 15 2012 19:30 Ace wrote: Both of them had top tier perimeter teammates. That aside why has no other big man dominated besides them with the exception of KG? Maybe they had, but they were still the number one player on their team. And timmy in his early years was a beast. Nobody even knew about TP and Manu when he started to dominate. Hakeem in the mid 90s was also a pretty decent player if i may say so. I mean which perimeter player would you say dominated the scene? (Magic) MJ, Kobe, and now Lebron and Durant. And personally I wouldn't call Durant dominating yet. We'll see after these playoffs. That's only 4.5 names. If you widen the circle for perimeter players then you also have to talk about Barkley, Malone, Garnett, MChale. I think overall the "dominance" has been pretty balanced. If there's an exceptional player on any position then he's gonna do well. MJ and all the MJ-comparisons of lesser players after that kinda contorted the whole perception. | ||
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Chunhyang
Bangladesh1389 Posts
Article that proposes that the reason why there has been a dearth of great bigs recently is because of the legalization of the zone defense ten years ago. Once teams got good at the zone, making the entry pass has become really difficult. Spreading the floor doesn't work as well as it used to either. Lakers NEED game 2 or this OKC team will steamroll them. Maybe if they can get Perkins in foul trouble early. Steve Nash was a pretty good perimeter player, Jason Kidd too if you can look beyond scoring. | ||
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Chunhyang
Bangladesh1389 Posts
On May 15 2012 19:34 Roffles wrote: There's gotta be something goin down in Portland. Them injuries. Trade Roy and Oden to the Suns and watch their careers and bodies get resurrected like...well, phoenixes | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On May 15 2012 17:08 x2fst wrote: who mad? dafuq ... lol | ||
XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
However, since it's easier to flood the paint against "true" bigs like Bynum and the biggest threat to the paint these days is perimeter players driving to the basket, it's better to have bigs who are mobile a la Tyson Chandler. Bigs need to be able to guard the pick-and-roll effectively and be able to rotate and cover the perimeter against all the "stretch 4's" in the league. Guys like Bynum are just going to be taken advantage of by putting them in pick-and-roll situations and are not quick enough to rotate and recover. The Lakers were much better defensively when they had Odom playing PF alongside Gasol, which is why Bynum was never in late game situations back then no matter how well he could score in the post. | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
On May 16 2012 00:19 Chunhyang wrote: Trade Roy and Oden to the Suns and watch their careers and bodies get resurrected like...well, phoenixes if only it were possible to trade assets you don't own. in all seriousness, oden to pheonix isnt out of the question. pretty sure he still wants to try balling. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On May 15 2012 19:30 Ace wrote: Both of them had top tier perimeter teammates. That aside why has no other big man dominated besides them with the exception of KG? Hakeem, I am only naming guys that play close to the basket btw but I get your point def. ( Too bad Sabonis didn't come at a younger age or he might be up there.) | ||
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Bonzinator
Slovenia862 Posts
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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