On June 27 2012 21:57 Tippecanoe wrote: After watching violet just beat taeja even though he made a million mistakes had 2k 2k with 160 supply while taejas macro was perfect and was up 20 supply, and still win the game. I can honestly say this mu is a joke.
Yeah those Queens man, amazing difference they made to that game, can really see it.
You do realize the queens had nothing to do with it right? Its the fact that because the queens were buffed zergs can actually spread creep which is the problem. I wouldn't expect you to realize that though.
You do realise that this is a discussion thread centred around the Queen buff right?
Creep spread wasn't particularly good in that game either.
Yeah. Like i said the queen buff correlates to more creep spread which is the real problem. Last time i checked queens made creep tumors.
Not going to continue this with you because you obviously don't know anything.
On June 27 2012 22:38 ELA wrote: OK, so in the last 48 hours, this has happened for Liquid:
HerO qualifies for MLG through Korean Online MLG Qualifier
Taeja qualifies for MLG through Korean Online MLG Qualifier
HerO 2-0's his Code A ro16 match
Ret wins TSL4 Qualifier
Liquid beats Prime in IPLTAC3 5-3
Taeja advances to Code S ro8, beating MVP and Violet in the process
- In 48 hours! What in the fuck
Year of Liquid?
It's not bad, but that's more like the 48 hours of Liquid. :p
GSTL... can't shake those demons myself quite yet
This is really good news for Liquid. They started off by being a completely fail team and getting owned in GSTL, but now after buying all the korean talent, they're actually starting to show some seriously good results. Nice!!!
Ignorance overwhelming.
This also caused me to look at your posting history, and this is far from the only time you've been overly antagonistic regarding our team. I don't mind if they aren't your favorite, but to constantly bash on the players is not necessary.
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On June 27 2012 21:37 Amlitzer wrote: Yep, that's it for me. I'm not doing anything sc2 related in till blizzard gets off their asses and patches this shit. These games are literally disgusting, they aren't even entertaining to watch anymore. Not as disgusting as how much better MVP played better than his opponent, especially in game one, and yet still lost because of circumstances outside of his control. When this game stop being about individual player skill vs skill then it ceases to be a legitimate esport.
1. only applies when the expansion is already here. Until then, it's a no point. SC2 might have new ideas coming in, but the scene is established, the best players are established and the metagame is established, and we can use history and experience to be able to analyze current situations and changes better. Back then none of these factors were present.
2. I'm sure you enjoy the matchup, and I might as well if I played zerg. However I don't think it's unfair to say that the matchup is worse off because of the change, and considering what we gained with the change (zergs have to try less hard to defend against hellions I guess?) to a previously balanced matchup and what we had to give up to get it. I didn't mind all the trillion bunker nerfs that terrans got even though Blizzard might have gone overboard in combination with larger maps, because they made the matchup better overall. This change? No positive change whatsoever. I don't think I'm the only one feeling this way, since there hasn't been this much of an uproar over a change since ever, and the uproar is cross race.
3. Whether it was wrong or not, it was generally considered that zergs had the super lategame going for them even back then due to the larva mechanics. They did have something to look forward too when they worked at surviving. At the moment as a terran, your thought process is basically "oh, I didn't cripple him the first ten minutes, it's time to slowly die unless he goes full retard."
1. This makes no sense to me. That's like saying in the early days that we can't hope for new improvements until they actually release them? Lol. We already know 2 expansions are coming out, simple as that. You know 100% that there will be massive metagame shifts and unit composition changes, what is there to argue? My point is that it's NOT THAT BAD. Now you just enter into mid and lategame without easily being able to gain an advantage unless you do something clever, you can't simply do the exact same cookie-cutter build every game and have a very high chance of crippling your opponent...back in the early days Zergs had to worry about simply dying in the first 10 minutes of every single game...just let that sink in for a moment as you reflect upon how bad you guys have it now, lawl. Also, I'm still not convinced that Terrans simply don't require more build changes and strategy improvement, Terrans have been crying about this change since the day it came out and I really think that 90% of the people complaining have done hardly a thing to try and change their own play up in compensation. The only reason you see a difference between Terran complaints now and past Zerg complaints is because you are very, very biased.
2. Maybe you think there is no positives but I see plenty. For one, Zergs typically aren't dying nearly as often because one of their Queens was out of position by a quarter of an inch allowing Hellions to run by a gap the Zerg thought was covered. Secondly, ZvZ is greatly improved and a hell of a lot more fun now as well.
3. Actually Zergs still died all the time in the super late game vs Protoss and Terrans...so, your opinion is simply that, your opinion. Also, you seem to still think that Zerg has an advantage over Zerg in the late game but I really doubt that, Terrans can play late game just fine if they utilize their units properly and play it out right. I still almost never see Terrans build Ghosts, yet the few that do always make me happy to play against because their late game is 3x as hard to fight as a scrub Terran who refuses to build them even once.
Beenu, You are obviously "very, very biased" yourself. Simply saying "Terran's need to evolve" and "use their units properly" does not get rid of the pink elephant in the room. Want to talk about bias? Morrow (Pro Zerg and Terran) player, believes they are too powerful and the buff was unnecessary. As a former GM, I would hope you take some advice when i say there is only so much you can do mechanically when a zerg queens up to 5-7 queens, turtles then takes a substantial eco advantage. It becomes a all-in coin flip for Terran. I suggest you watch some of these interviews and read some legitmate Pro threads before you throw your, less experienced, two sense in.
Watch around 5:30
Kawaii rice interview
blah blah blah, yawn. I'm not really biased much at all really, I understand Terrans are having a tough time and for some players that may be a legitimate concern, no argument here. Whether or not the buff was "necessary" or not is still irrelevant, it exists simple as that so you need to learn to deal with it until either the problem goes away with metagame changes or blizzard makes changes. But no, most Terrans seem to prefer to just weep and cry about Queens and then use that opportunity to start crying about Infestors all over again [rooooooofl] and quite frankly, when people keep crying about Infestors they just lose all credibility with me. It's hard not to generalize, but this thread makes me think Terrans just wanna cry for the sake of crying when they can't even stay on-topic for what they want to cry about in the first place.
A lot of Terran's are not whining...they're just switching to zerg LOL. Why not, its arguably the most powerful race. I was just watching the ogs4gg stream. He just lost to DeMuslim who is offracing as zerg! DeMuslim, like he mentions in his interview criticizing the riduclous buff, just started playing zerg and made mass queendralisks on 3base...GG to 4GG helions and banshee push! Awesome. So to answer your question, we dont whine, I just hope Blizzard is satisfied when they have a notoriously low level of Terran players on ladder.
Ya, Terrans are just spoiled. For once they get the shaft an they act more butthurt than I could have imagined possible, it's cute. The sense of entitlement Terrans have is quite stunning, but typical.
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On June 28 2012 19:28 IshinShishi wrote: I can't blame MC for using this though, it's kinda like a 1-1-1, very easy to execute, extremely hard to defend, even though what MKP did was more like wonky shit that never works instead of a proper 1-1-1.
hell yeah, everyone learns to execute that level of blink micro in kindergarden.
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