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There is this weird idea of good/bad manners in the microcosm of Starcraft, not complying to someone saying 'glhf' is considered rude, why? not saying 'gg' after losing is rude too, why? Surely if one does not feel a statement applies to them, they can not honestly say it. Absence of 'politeness' does not equate to being rude unless you assume it to. This whole 'not saying gg is rude' thing is nonsense.
Let me explain how flawed this assumption is;
It's like this situation for example. You say 'hello' to someone online for instance, and after 3 mins you get no response from them. An illogical assumption would be that this person is rude or hates the person saying hello. A logical assumption is that this person is neither polite or rude, but simply can not/does not respond. It doesen't mean anything significant. This same principle applies to expecting others to be obligated into saying 'gg'. If they dont think it was a good game, that's fine.
Whenever I question people on how unnecessary it is to pretend a game was good I get met with insults and anger. Not only is it untruthful but it is mathmatically impossible for every game to be 'good'. Since positivity is relative to a standard, in theory no more than 50% of games can be considered good regardless of how much you enjoy the average game, it is a relative statement and can not apply 100%. So atleast half the time someone is liying if they say 'gg' every game.
So what does it mean?
We are narcissistic and want appraisal for our skill on a regular basis, not recieving it leads us to insulting the other person and discomfort for not complimenting. The problem is not with the person that does not say 'gg', but it is with you making a big deal out of it! You can not reasonably be upset at someone not saying something nice, however it's another story when it's an insult, but not not talking...
GG would be more interesting if it had value.
-Source: basic understanding of psychology.
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It's accepted social convention, so it's a bit rude if you refuse it. Sort of like refusing a handshake or high 5
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On April 03 2012 15:09 opterown wrote:
It's accepted social convention, so it's a bit rude if you refuse it. Sort of like refusing a handshake or high 5
First reply often best reply trend continues on TL.
I think the game of golf would surprise a lot of people. This shit has stood for centuries.
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This just in, Sheth is the most narcissistic player in StarCraft 2, more after the break.
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lol is this a troll? face-palm
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GG doesn't literally mean good game anymore its a formality, a deep rooted one at this point. Just like how lol doesn't literally mean laughing out loud anymore.
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A+ for effort, but you missed the mark a little bit...
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On April 03 2012 15:09 opterown wrote:
It's accepted social convention, so it's a bit rude if you refuse it. Sort of like refusing a handshake or high 5
handshakes are not made every 10 minutes.
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I would also say this if I were an asshole
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Agree 100% with OP. I dont say GG at the end of a game but not b/c i am mad that I lost but because it doesn't matter and and 99% of the time I am out of the game before I even see a response from him. If the game was actually good (that one in 50 game) then I toss out a GG WP but I dont think I am responsible to praise common, average play. I am not 7 anymore.
Its not rude to not GG and idk why so many people get so crazy about SC players not being the best person in the world.
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On April 03 2012 15:13 FrayzZeUsher wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 15:09 opterown wrote:
It's accepted social convention, so it's a bit rude if you refuse it. Sort of like refusing a handshake or high 5 handshakes are not made every 10 minutes.
They probably would be if you met someone new every 10 minutes. I don't gg when I play with my friends, for example.
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Honestly, I agree with what you're saying; If it's not a good game, then there's no reason to lie, just leave/take your win and move on to the next game. The criteria of a good game differs as you go from person to person, so having a convention around something so trite, and so variable, leads to the desensitization towards the phrase altogether, and saying it has no meaning 90% of the time. In the end, it's just useless words~
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On April 03 2012 15:08 FrayzZeUsher wrote:
-Source: basic understand of psychology.
You would think that would include some knowledge of manners and how important they are for society.
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I remember my first Psych 101 class :D
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BMing is rude. Not saying gg isn't.
I'll rarely gg, tbh.
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At this point a GG or a glhf stand for more than they used to. When someone says GG, it is an acknowledgement of the other player, and failing to do so is a direct slight against that person.
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On April 03 2012 15:08 FrayzZeUsher wrote:
-Source: basic understanding of psychology.
You're overthinking it.
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If there were no other people playing the game you would have no opponent and you would never improve. We gg because it's a respect that our opponent took the time to match against us and give us a competition, not because it was a good game. It's a social convention that has been around in sports for handshaking after a match, but since you can't physically do that over the internet we can gg.
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People like you who claim to understand psychology are part of the reason that the field is swamped by wannabes and pseudoscience. I forgot who said it but the quote was something like "people who have never given a thought about nuclear physics are all too happy to offer their own psychological theories". You can't just say well this makes sense in my head its true! Research shows that what we expect and what is true are often different even in the "soft science" fields.
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It's like when you sneeze, and someone says "Bless You" and you turn around and say to them "i'm not religious"
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On April 03 2012 15:19 Nothingtosay wrote:
People like you who claim to understand psychology are part of the reason that the field is swamped by wannabes and pseudoscience. I forgot who said it but the quote was something like "people who have never given a thought about nuclear physics are all too happy to offer their own psychological theories". You can't just say well this makes sense in my head its true! Research shows that what we expect and what is true are often different even in the "soft science" fields.
The mind creates a standard, since we are biologically designed to find patterns, we establish a sense of regularity- what is common, what is not about everything we perceive. It's impossible to be happy more than 50% of the time, since your standard for 'good' is constantly being adapted.
The fact that you target me also shows you have no interest in discussing the focus of my argument.
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SC2 community run by manner nannies. Not much you can do about it TBH, other than just not say GG. It's like a refusing a high five, from a weirdo who wants to high five you every goddamn time you see him, no matter how uncomfortable the situation might be. Then that guy thinking you have bad mannered for refusing his disgusting, sweaty-handed high five for the umpteenth time that day.
That is not what manners are about folks. Forcing your social convention/guilt on people is pretty lame.
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Saying GG and GLHF was a social norm from SCBW (especially ladder players, not the Bnet players). The issue is that there was a large influx of new players who don't understand the norms when SC2 was released. The new population of players is large compared to the old population, Neither side is wrong, it's just a culture clash between new and old. However I believe saying GLHF is far superior than not saying it at all. Why should a game strip away part of its identity that has been around for over a decade just because some youngsters don't understand it? I can understand removing tedious practices that don't make sense, but GLHF and GG make Starcraft look more civilized compared to the multiplayer of a lot of other games.
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Greeting are a social convention that must always illicit a response. If you fail to respond to a greeting it is considered rude, simple as that. If I meet someone and they extend their hand to me and I do not shake their hand I am being rude. It seems ridiculous to claim that I am just being neutral towards them. This same concept applies to the glhf and gg in SC2. If you do not respond to a glhf and or not gg, you are being rude. Although the ladder case is not as bad you are being rude nonetheless.
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Seriously dude, haven't there been plenty of threads with this exact argument? The point isn't to heap praise on someone. It's just a convention where you offer recognition that your opponent has bested you. Why do you shake hands after any irl game? It's just good manners.
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It's the same as shaking hands after a sports game, unless that's now narcissistic too. Also, psychology might be the wrong social science to apply here. Go read some Sociology and some structural-functional analysis might be more enlightening.
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"It's like this situation for example. You say 'hello' to someone online for instance, and after 3 mins you get no response from them. An illogical assumption would be that this person is rude or hates the person saying hello."
How is that illogical? If someone says "hello" to you, you say "hello" back. Not saying anything DOES make you a rude person.
Also, your post is extremely condescending. Might want to restructure your arguments.
I hope you're just trolling.
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Your whole psychological analysis is flawed by the fact that you only take your interpretation of "good game".
I'm not even saying that GG defenitely has established as a handshake. But a lot of people think so and that should be respected.
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OP is totally missing the point of these habits. You don´t say GG necessarily because it was a good game, it belongs to convention and etiquette. It it simply good manners. There is no 'point' in handshaking either left of it, but it is rude to refuse someone a handshake when they approach you and want to shake your hand. Maybe the OP doesn't agree with that but I´m the the rest of the world does.
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I agree with you 100%. Thats why whenever my opponent says "GL HF" or "GG", i respond with a simple "go fuck yourself fucking piece of wet shit".
I dont want them to get the wrong idea, I AM rude.
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I think you're taking the whole thing a bit literally? I always say gg, even when beaten by a god damn cheesing d-banger, but it doesnt mean good-game, its just a formal acknowledgement of the game.
It can mean lots of things.
Like in any sport, you shake hands before the game (gglghf) and also generally after the game too (gg). Even if you get hurt, or lose badly, during the game, the formality at the end is ultimately a mark of civility. The game is over, and it was just a game, now we can relate normally again.
In my country (Australia) it is all pretty important actually, because in-game (whether its football, basketball or SC2) you are always expected to be fierce and do your best, but afterwards you need to go back to being a good bloke.
Also, I would also say this if I were an asshole
Thankyou Bibbit!
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this is rather dumb, now all bm kiddies will come and support this thread rofl...
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I never BM, talk shit or call other people on ladder newbs, but I'll be damned if I say 'gg' after being all-in rushed by someone whose mechanics aren't even very good, but he happened to get off lucky.
Why would I say GG? Clearly, it is not a 'good game'. The other person probably knows it himself too. So I just leave. Of course, if I'm playing practise matches with a friend and a series of games, that is a whole another matter. Obviously if the player succesfully all-ins in a practise game, it was something where he and I learned a lesson, and it's not like he relies on it. He probably wont all-in the next game. In matches if I get all-in'd, it means I was outsmarted. He outthinked me by putting up a build which I had no clue would come. Of course it's gg then.
To be fair, of course there is the miniscule chance that the random person I play a single game against on ladder is just trying to learn a new build and doesn't rely on this build to get occasional wins in his league, in which case saying GG is polite and the correct thing to do, but I have no idea of knowing if this magical person that is clearly only 1/10 of all all-in players is like that, so while I don't, I wont GG all-inners on ladder.
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I honestly don't care who I'm playing, how good or bad they are/were, or what game it is... I always say good game. It's a matter of sportsmanship to me. It's not about praise, it's about respecting your competitor, the game, and yourself. GG is not a sign of submission.
However, we're on the internet where anyone can say anything they want to each other with no risk of ruining their reputation and it's been going on long enough that it doesn't bother me anymore. If you want to be a bad sport and QQ or rage be my guest, I honestly don't care anymore. I'll still say good game like all the other players with some decency.
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On April 03 2012 15:08 FrayzZeUsher wrote:
Whenever I question people on how unnecessary it is to pretend a game was good I get met with insults and anger. Not only is it untruthful but it is mathmatically impossible for every game to be 'good'. Since positivity is relative to a standard, in theory no more than 50% of games can be considered good regardless of how much you enjoy the average game, it is a relative statement and can not apply 100%. So atleast half the time someone is liying if they say 'gg' every game.
Goodness is based off opinion. If I watch a game and it pleased me visually and intellectually (tons of battles and mind games), I would call it good. If every game I watch amazes me by the players' macro and micro, I would call every game I watch good.
You're confusing good, and deontic leveling, with better than the mean, or average. Here's another way you can look at it:
100% of M&M's in a given bag of M&M's can be good, while only 50% of them can be better than the average one.
Saying "gl hf" and "gg" isn't to please the other person or ourselves, it's to begin and end the game courteously. It's the same as shaking hands at the end of an american football game and saying "good game" as you walk by the other team, you don't do it so the other team feels good, you do it to show sportsmanship and respect for the game and its players.
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On April 03 2012 15:08 FrayzZeUsher wrote:
Not only is it untruthful but it is mathmatically impossible for every game to be 'good'. Since positivity is relative to a standard, in theory no more than 50% of games can be considered good regardless of how much you enjoy the average game, it is a relative statement and can not apply 100%. So atleast half the time someone is liying if they say 'gg' every game.
"mathmatically impossible" Seems like you have no clue what mathematic is and what the word stands for.
Seems like your understanding of psychology isn't much better.
" in theory no more than 50% of games can be considered good" These are very wild assumptions and there is no way you can back them up.
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We had a huge topic about this very idea not too long ago. While me and many others tried to make the case that the absense of gg hardly should be taken as an offense as many people simply don't write it unless they considered it a good game, it's just impossible with this community. People have already decided that if your opponent leaves without writing "gg", they did a rage quit and are probably QQing on a forum.
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I don't care if ppl don't gg to me, but I always do because .... honestly? Wtf. It takes less than one second and less than one calorie to gg f10+n.
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On April 03 2012 15:25 Ewic wrote:
"It's like this situation for example. You say 'hello' to someone online for instance, and after 3 mins you get no response from them. An illogical assumption would be that this person is rude or hates the person saying hello."
How is that illogical? If someone says "hello" to you, you say "hello" back. Not saying anything DOES make you a rude person.
Also, your post is extremely condescending. Might want to restructure your arguments.
I hope you're just trolling.
You are in a rush, late to get to work and have no time for idle chit chat, and zoom right past the person saying hello. It's unreasonable to say this is a bad person, it just means he wasn't nice. Opinions are not binary, you can be neutral- not black and white dude.
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GG is not the MEANING of "good game" its like a handshake in soccer or tennis ...
you not understand the sportmanship overall, if you got crushed by someone in tennis you still give him the hand
in the proleagues like korea you would get huge problems not writing gg, even idra do
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On April 03 2012 15:13 Bibbit wrote:
I would also say this if I were an asshole
i agree completely. you wouldnt leave a room without saying "goodbye" to a person after u did some sort of activity with them for 10~ mins unless you're socially akaward or something. typing gg when u lose is pretty much a sign of respect and maturity(like saying goodbye to people) rather than being imature and leaving abruptly (like just walking out after a doctor's apointment or something without saying thanks)
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lol OP you are fucking retarded
User was warned for this post
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It sounds like somebody finally got the permission from their parents to burn some vegatation via pipe..
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Being respectful isn't about feeling good--it's about doing the right thing no matter how you feel. It's called being civil. It's called not being selfish.
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On April 03 2012 15:17 Twistacles wrote:
BMing is rude. Not saying gg isn't.
I'll rarely gg, tbh.
This.
I don't care about glhf / gg (although I prefer to say glhf in hopes that my opponent will be less bm at the end of the game).
But actual bm / insults? Usually at the end of the game? yeah that needs to go plz. every freaking person on ladder does it and it makes laddering such a chore. also makes the sc2 community look like a bunch of immature idra wanna-be's.
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On April 03 2012 15:32 lorkac wrote:Being respectful isn't about feeling good--it's about doing the right thing no matter how you feel. It's called being civil. It's called not being selfish.
Why is it one or the other? it's not selfish, it's neutral, since nothing has been said.
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Neither 'gg' nor 'gl hf' should be something you consider rating the game but rather something that is a given. Do you really want your opponent to have luck or argueably fun? (I would adress fun in Starcraft with winning). It doesn't matter if you think it was a bad game, perhaps it wasn't for your opponent.
Its just something you plainly say because you should. Certainly doesn't affect your play by any means.
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On April 03 2012 15:29 FrayzZeUsher wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 15:25 Ewic wrote:
"It's like this situation for example. You say 'hello' to someone online for instance, and after 3 mins you get no response from them. An illogical assumption would be that this person is rude or hates the person saying hello."
How is that illogical? If someone says "hello" to you, you say "hello" back. Not saying anything DOES make you a rude person.
Also, your post is extremely condescending. Might want to restructure your arguments.
I hope you're just trolling. You are in a rush, late to get to work and have no time for idle chit chat, and zoom right past the person saying hello. It's unreasonable to say this is a bad person, it just means he wasn't nice. Opinions are not binary, you can be neutral- not black and white dude.
If that's the scenario, then your analogy is simply not a good one. Since when is someone in a rush to leave a game? Also, you did say the person waited 3 minutes for a reply lol... Typing "GG" takes 2 seconds. A better comparison would be how in soccer games, it's customary for both teams at the end, to shake the hands of all the players on the team. It's seen as extremely bad manner if you purposely don't shake someone's hand and all that. I'm not saying that not saying "GG" is extremely bad manner, but it is a little rude.
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I only say gg when I think it was a good game. I refuse to conform to the norm of always saying gg, and I refuse to remove the original meaning, and value, of gg. And I get shit for it all the time, even after I explain my position, and tell them that I meant no disrespect, and did not rage, which leads me to conclude that people get pissed at me just for not conforming, even if they know I am not raging, or disrespecting.
I never rage. I have litteraly never insulted my opponent or raged at him after a game. And yet people who have tell me that I am BM. Go fornicate yourselves, you hypocrites.
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When you're watching Code S everyone says gg, 'cause its a rule there. When you're watching MLG, everyone says gg, 'cause they adhere to the "social code" of StarCraft. But the big difference is, that these are guys who are at an equal-ish level of skill, where they know, that they almost always have a worthy opponent (at least in the upper brackets). But do I, Johnny-Diamond-Whatsoever-League "gg" my 7pooling opponent, who's doing that 50 games the whole day, while im trying my best ? -> Nope ! Not rage, but i just have no respect for someone 7pooling on the ladder.
What i want to say: There is no ultimate rule or reason behind the Mannerism in StarCraft. On a high level, its obligatory to be good mannered, because your opponent deserves the respect. But i will not handshake and "gg" my buddy, who is ten times worse than me @ soccer, because of his lucky penalty shot. 
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poor sheth 
lol jk but i guess its up to the person to decide?
there is a degree of professionalism that must be displayed at times though :O
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Its nothing to do with whether the game is good or bad, it's social convention because when you beat someone at a game you don't actually want them to be upset, by saying gg you essentially confirm that theres no hard feelings.
If there are hard feelings, expressing them is rude, its a game that you both play to win. It's called being a good sportsman.
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On April 03 2012 15:34 vOdToasT wrote:
I only say gg when I think it was a good game. I refuse to conform to the norm of always saying gg, and I refuse to remove the original meaning, and value, of gg. And I get shit for it all the time, even after I explain my position, and tell them that I meant no disrespect, and did not rage, which leads me to conclude that people get pissed at me just for not conforming, even if they know I am not raging, or disrespecting.
I never rage. I have litteraly never insulted my opponent or raged at him after a game. And yet people who have tell me that I am BM. Go fornicate yourselves, you hypocrites.
you hipster you
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i understand not gg is not rude, when it comes to ladder, because that just a scrimmage online with a random opponent and no one is obligated to say glhf and/or gg.
however, when it comes to tournament setting, i think that changes a bit, in a same way any sports will start with a hank shake and whatnot. even boxing where they beat each other up, as long as they dont have personal beef, they end up congratulating each other. tournament setting is professional unlike laddering.
gg would mean good game in ladder setting, gg in tournament setting, firstly means "you win".
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On April 03 2012 15:25 Ewic wrote:
"It's like this situation for example. You say 'hello' to someone online for instance, and after 3 mins you get no response from them. An illogical assumption would be that this person is rude or hates the person saying hello."
How is that illogical? If someone says "hello" to you, you say "hello" back. Not saying anything DOES make you a rude person.
This is pretty much exactly what I was going to say.
OP is probably terribly socially inept and unaware of it. Basic courtesies are a part of human interaction, online games included. Get used to it.
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As stated above, you are taking the meaning of gg way to literally. It is for civility, like athletes shaking hands after a game. it can potentially get people to take us seriously as we have our own "code".
Your argument about chatting is ridiculous. too many variables and situations. what if they are in a rush? what if they just ignore you because they don't like you? what about the busy mode button? what if they went to the bathroom?
As a psychology major, I can say that this slight discomfort people feel who take the game a bit more seriously is justified. When you enter the game, you want to be treated as an equal, it is a human right. Not saying gg, not shaking a hand, is like telling them they are not worth it and are beneath you. People can get away with in in starcraft because it is a game. But in real life, if you are like that, you will get walked over by everyone.
Also from a logical perspective, why would anyone get angry at not receiving a gg? I have rarely seen anyone get truly angry at a lack of gg, even at the highest level of play. When someone does not gg, it is most likely due to rage. rage shows you that you have successfully defeated your opponent and that they are too immature to accept it. Players then rationalize that they wouldn't be that childish and stupid from the game. Then a feeling of superiority comes in, even if the players themselves rage.
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On April 03 2012 15:13 Bibbit wrote:
I would also say this if I were an asshole
Hahaha aww yeah, I was hoping I would find you posting here.
IMO, you're playing with someone else. It doesn't have anything to do with the game being "good" or not, it's social, and good etiquette. I say glhf at the beginning of the game to say hi, and be friendly. I gg to say "goodbye" in a sense. It makes the game so much more enjoyable to me when there are good manners. I have had people message me after a game to compliment some aspect of my play, and that makes me feel 10x better about the game. I try to reciprocate that.
glhf and gg are good yo.
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On April 03 2012 15:34 FrayzZeUsher wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 15:32 lorkac wrote:Being respectful isn't about feeling good--it's about doing the right thing no matter how you feel. It's called being civil. It's called not being selfish. Why is it one or the other? it's not selfish, it's neutral, since nothing has been said.
I do not think you understand what the word selfish means....
Selfish does not mean being malicious. It means one doesn't care what the other person thinks or feels. You know, some people call it being neutral. When you don't really care either or. In other words, only thinking of yourself instead of others.
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your logic of "basic knowledge of psychology" is like someone trying to do napkin math of string theory. on acid. with an agenda.
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It's common practice in most sports that you thank your opponent for a good game after it's done. You might not agree but it's the way it is.
Refusing to GG/refusing to thank your opponent(s) for a good game is a much bigger statement than just doing it.
"Basic understanding of psychology", get the f out...
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Starcraft must be a very lonely place for you.
This is not wanting "appraisal for our skills" and being "narcissistic"; it's just simply being friendly, and it's social custom now. Over many years of gaming it's become essentially a handshake. If a player is mute at the start of the game, and leaves silently at the end of a game without a GG, I would consider them to be a bit of a dick, yes. 'Handshaking' is completely standard in sports, and being civil to your opponents is part of being a good sportsman.
At the start of every game I say "have fun! :D". I genuinely mean it. I chat with my opponents after some games, and I now have many people on my friends list that I chat to and practice buddy with. Your argument is essentially "why should I be nice to my opponents?". My argument would be "why NOT be nice to your opponents?".
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'Basic Understanding of Psychology'
Come back when you understand anything about real psychology. Protip: normative social influence.
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You are looking too much into the literal meaning of "GG". Most if not all people will see GG and see its second meaning, which is an acknowledgement of the other person. The literal meaning may not be important anymore, but the second meaning is. So not saying it will mean you are not acknowledging the other person, which would be considered rude.
I'm not a fan of social conventions, I look at their literal meaning and find that they seem too endearing for my purpose. For example, I don't like using "Dear" to start off a message because it feels too affectionate and not professional. But in reality, it is just a general term people use that has an understood meaning but not a literal one, and not doing it is harmful if you want to have any decent social interaction.
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I don't say GG because I think it's a good game, or because I want to be nice to other players. I mean, there are some douchebags that deserves to be bad mouthed, but even to them I still says gg.
I say it because it reminds me to be calm and collected; it reminds me the fact that losing the game is always my fault. Also, if the other player is purposely trying to make you rage, swear at them and rage quit only makes them happy. I know, because I feel great when I make people rage quit. I say gg because I would not grant them that pleasure of being an asshole.
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What's with these posts from guys who try to write what looks like an article but is complete thrash?
Social codes and being respectful is something anyone with a decently serious job learns. Not being polite to someone can still be viewed as something bad. Just because you don't call someone a asshole doesn't mean they won't think badly of you.
GG-ing is something that's been around since BW and it's about respect. I get that people on ladder don't give a shit, i don't either, but in tournaments you expect pros to behave professional. Just like in any sport.
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On April 03 2012 15:17 MLG_Wiggin wrote:
I remember my first Psych 101 class :D
LOL so true
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psychology... *sigh*
go live in Korea or anywhere in APAC and learn about their culture, then revisit your OP. "Westerners" and Asians differ much in the regard of the value of self vs your part of community/family/etc and thus their reasoning for doing the same things as us (such as saying GG) can be completely different. I'm assuming you were applying the OP worldwide
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You play a match of tennis and refuse to shake the hands of your opponent after the game. This isn't rude because you're not doing anything. It's neutral.
You get a gift from your mother. You don't say thanks. Since you said nothing, it's neutral. You're not being rude.
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I don't see "gg" as an appraisal for skill, more as a thing you say at the end of a match, If I do think it was a good game by my opponent I'll say "wp", "gg" is more a sort of polite way to say goodbye in this case.
And yes not responding when someone greets you with a "gl hf" is more like not responding when someone says hi than just not caring.
Edit : And citing "basic understanding of psychology" at the end is Narcissistic, discuss.
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gg -> end of game
wp gg -> good game
We already have this convention
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Whenever I question people on how unnecessary it is to pretend a game was good I get met with insults and anger. Not only is it untruthful but it is mathmatically impossible for every game to be 'good'. Since positivity is relative to a standard, in theory no more than 50% of games can be considered good regardless of how much you enjoy the average game, it is a relative statement and can not apply 100%. So atleast half the time someone is liying if they say 'gg' every game.
Are you a robot? If someone says "Good Morning" to you, do you say "Average Morning" in response, because not every day can be good?
gg is not a declarative sentence, it's an action. Technically it would be an Illocutionary speach act, I think, but I only took one semester of linguistics.
If you grew up playing sports, 'good game' is the american convention. Usually accompanied by a handshak. It doesn't matter if you won 10 goals to 1 because you aren't actually "appraising their skill" when you say this.
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I gg sometimes, sometimes I dont. But to me gg is a sign of submission, that you are bad and that you lost.
Also about the argument that "gg" has gotten a new meaning, yeah you can go around and assign random meanings to words. Like "car" suddenly means "potato" or something..
good game is simply good game. this is why we have words guys. if you want to acknowledge another players existence like you all seem so eager to do, i suggest getting a new acronym more in line with what it means.
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On April 03 2012 15:37 joeyBanana wrote:When you're watching Code S everyone says gg, 'cause its a rule there. When you're watching MLG, everyone says gg, 'cause they adhere to the "social code" of StarCraft. But the big difference is, that these are guys who are at an equal-ish level of skill, where they know, that they almost always have a worthy opponent (at least in the upper brackets). But do I, Johnny-Diamond-Whatsoever-League "gg" my 7pooling opponent, who's doing that 50 games the whole day, while im trying my best ? -> Nope ! Not rage, but i just have no respect for someone 7pooling on the ladder. What i want to say: There is no ultimate rule or reason behind the Mannerism in StarCraft. On a high level, its obligatory to be good mannered, because your opponent deserves the respect. But i will not handshake and "gg" my buddy, who is ten times worse than me @ soccer, because of his lucky penalty shot.
What's wrong with 7 pooling on the ladder? It's part of the game. What game are you playing?
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"pleasdontseemepleasdontseemepleasdontseemepleasdontseeme... SHIT"
"oh hello so nice to see you darling!"
I love "social norms"
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there is a reason why even in sports the handshake is not requested in the same moment you lose but after everyone has calmed down again.
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Disagree. At this point it's more common courtesy than actually expecting the other guy to complement you on a well-played game. If there wasn't this social convention within this subcommunity it may be, but at this point it's just what you do.
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Just use Hello and Bye, instead, YAY.
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On April 03 2012 15:13 FrayzZeUsher wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 15:09 opterown wrote:
It's accepted social convention, so it's a bit rude if you refuse it. Sort of like refusing a handshake or high 5 handshakes are not made every 10 minutes.
You are right, they are done before the start of every match.
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On April 03 2012 15:51 Daimai wrote:
I gg sometimes, sometimes I dont. But to me gg is a sign of submission, that you are bad and that you lost.
Also the fact that "gg" has gotten a new meaning, yeah you can go around and assign random meanings to words. Like "car" suddenly means "potato" or something..
good game is simply good game. this is why we have words guys. if you want to acknowledge a payers existence like you all seem so eager to do, i suggest getting a new acronym more in line with what it means.
I guess we should stop shaking hands too then because the act itself it utterly meaningless. We should just nod to each other, that acknowledges each others existence.
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I say gg to my opponent no matter the circumstance in bw, but in sc2 I don't normally gg unless I feel the game was particularly special in some way. I just find it really hard to give a damn in remembering to gg when the game is so casual, and I feel like just saying gg "just because" like it's a reflex makes the use of the gg lose all real meaning.
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On April 03 2012 15:48 -Switch- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 15:17 MLG_Wiggin wrote:
I remember my first Psych 101 class :D LOL so true
Yeah man, I'm right there with you.
It isn't being narcissistic at all its a social convention. If anything the expectation to hear GG and GLHF back are the result of a social convention. I wouldn't call SC2 a microcosm in which these terms are "good". Instead, I see the SC2 community as being heavily influenced by years of Eastern Asian domination wherein the social niceties and social conventions of being respectful have become heavily ingrained in the StarCraft community as a whole.
TL;DR: It has to do with mutual respect among competitors and sportsmanship. The strong aversion to people not saying GG is simply the result of Eastern Asian cultural influence.
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This supports the whole IdrA is not a douchebag arguement. He refuses to lie if he thinks the game was bullshit.
Appeasement is a slippery slope, I agree with the OP, People put too much weight into two letters.
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I'm just going to walk out of the next tennis match that I think was not a good game. Screw telling the opponent good match. I'll just pack up and walk away.
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On April 03 2012 15:55 Jisall wrote:
This supports the whole IdrA is not a douchebag arguement. He refuses to lie if he thinks the game was bullshit.
Appeasement is a slippery slope, I agree with the OP, People put too much weight into two letters.
It's not about appeasement. It's about sportmanship and conduct, norms formed differently for each sport.
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It's not some unusual social convention. Go to any playground where games are being played -- it's what people do after the game. Here's a bunch of little kids after playing soccer, saying 'good game' to every single player on the other team: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wwworks/3434735884/
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This should be a blog at best.
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