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On March 29 2012 19:54 nymfaw wrote:
what to say? survival of the fittest. maybe her parents were bad, idk, but just killing yourself is pretty weak imo. I guess 13 is the age where girls are probably at their weakest mentally though...
Survival of the fittest huh, so you're fine with me beating you up and taking all your stuff because I have a natural advatage?
A thirteen year old actually considered, pre-meditated and enacted her own death. This is serverely troubling.
Maybe you should dwell on some of the shallow compassion which you seemed to exhibit in the 2nd half of your post. Maybe some people (especially 13 year olds) don't have the same clarity about the future or control over their emotions as an adult. Maybe these kinds of people require our help not our condemntation.
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On March 29 2012 19:21 -Archangel- wrote:
If a 13 year old really did deserve the spot on that list, her parents should have committed suicide instead. .
Suprised the liberals haven't flamed you yet. Why would parents be responsible if their kid is a slut? You can't really control something like that and most girls have sex around 12-13 now days.
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Remember, these are 13 year olds... People do stupid shit at 13....
I guarantee if these girls only contemplated suicide instead of actually suiciding, they will reflect on those thoughts in 10 years time and think that they were lucky they didn't.
Unfortunately, this isn't the case.
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when i was at secondary school (middle/high school equivalent) i had a friend, she was very pretty, and something like that did happen, bunch of guy were spreading the word on how good she was in bed and how easy she was, even if nothing never happened with them, hell she didnt know/met most of them. Making a list or saying someone is a slut by itself is not cool but it isnt much, but in those situation it is always more then that. Bullying and harassment is the main thing, sometime it get ugly, real ugly over time. For my friend it was going on for nearly 2 years, then it pretty much stopped when a guy (over 18) got in jail for his action, she was devastated psychologically but she held on, but i can see the possibility of a suicide over this.
The list by itself is nothing, it is what people do with it that can destroy life.
It could be some piss of guy get turn down by a chick then the next day he tells everyone at school he bang her at the party, or a chick that get piss because the guy she loves love someone else then they start saying X person is a whore, iam pretty sure everyone here saw that at their school. Some comments here are very offensive, like saying it was fair game or it was deserved to be bash on, keep in mind it could have been you, or your child if you are old enough. When a bunch of kid want to destroy someone, they will, those story about bullying turning into suicide are way too common, it happened here in quebec not log ago, it happen everywhere in the world way too often.
Yet alot of the comments are all the same, the person was weak, he/she deserve it, blablabla, the suicides by itself is bad, but the reaction of those ppl are fucking ugly, iam so tired to see dumb moron blaming the person in distress, any kid can be a target for any reason and even if they made one mistake as a kid, no one deserve that kind of bashing.
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On March 29 2012 20:06 Masq wrote:
how can a 13 year old even be a slut?
well... it's not impossible, just illegal compared to a full grown adult
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On March 29 2012 19:48 MichaelDonovan wrote:
If your mind is weak enough to commit suicide because of something that silly, then I don't feel bad for you.
That being said, it's hard to believe that this was the only reason behind the suicide, so I don't really know how I feel about it.
Ignorant statements like that should stay unnoticed.
The problem is that most kids are all being pressured to being better than one another, being more popular than one another, as if its a competition. They have a false ideology in their minds which forces them to attempt to look good or impress people which starts to develop insecurities in people, and in the severe cases, terrible incidents like this can occur.
I believe parents give their kids too much attention and make kids feel like they have a significant importance over others when in reality, they are just as unimportant as everyone else. When a person realises this, only then is the heavy burden lifted of trying to be popular in front of others.
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On March 29 2012 20:04 Bippzy wrote:
Well,
Shit. When i was a kid.....haha just kidding still a kid. Whenever you think the world is really good, it just goes and sucks.
You think the world is really good? Damn, you're young.
The news in this thread is actually nothing and modern kids are going through a lot of different stuff these days.
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On March 29 2012 20:01 Roflhaxx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2012 19:55 Antyee wrote:On March 29 2012 19:47 Mafe wrote:
I assumed this list was obviously just a random teenage "fun" stuff to mock girls and not meant to be based on real experiences. I mean, at the age of ~13, come on.
I'm quite shocked to read some people seem to take this list as completely serious. Or does my reading comprehension fail this much? I've seen way too many half-dead drunk 12-15 years old kids to be sure that this list is in fact just "fun stuff". One can see a lot of things if he lives in a small city with sometimes 4X more tourists than original inhabitants. half-dead drunk 12 year olds!? O.o I speak from experience from when I was around that age, 12 year olds were NOT drinking and fucking around. 14 year olds, yea sure but 12!? Must be a cultural difference I guess.
It must be due to the fact that there are a lot of pubs, discos etc in our town.
One of the saddest moments in my life was when I saw 5-6 classmates of my sister (who is 13) laying on the middle of the road with a beer bottle at their hands.
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On March 29 2012 20:07 sharky246 wrote:well... it's not impossible, just illegal compared to a full grown adult
In America it's not illegal if they are both young like that. I remember middle school 6th 7th grade most girls were having sex. Sounds so disgusting to me 6th, 7th grade 12-13 year olds with multiple partners having sex. I guess it's just so troll these girls could be married to some old guy back then. (I do not approve of it just because it was accepted back then)
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The scary thing is she is on the slut list and only 13 years old o.O
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On March 29 2012 20:10 Antyee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2012 20:01 Roflhaxx wrote:On March 29 2012 19:55 Antyee wrote:On March 29 2012 19:47 Mafe wrote:
I assumed this list was obviously just a random teenage "fun" stuff to mock girls and not meant to be based on real experiences. I mean, at the age of ~13, come on.
I'm quite shocked to read some people seem to take this list as completely serious. Or does my reading comprehension fail this much? I've seen way too many half-dead drunk 12-15 years old kids to be sure that this list is in fact just "fun stuff". One can see a lot of things if he lives in a small city with sometimes 4X more tourists than original inhabitants. half-dead drunk 12 year olds!? O.o I speak from experience from when I was around that age, 12 year olds were NOT drinking and fucking around. 14 year olds, yea sure but 12!? Must be a cultural difference I guess. It must be due to the fact that there are a lot of pubs, discos etc in our town. One of the saddest moments in my life was when I saw 5-6 classmates of my sister (who is 13) laying on the middle of the road with a beer bottle at their hands.
Sometimes I think that small towns with easy pubs are worst for kids than big clustered towns, in that particular aspect.
Not that I'm a fan of big cities, btw.
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When i was growing up in high school many of the opposite happens in England. Girls with lists of "fit guys" on and rated them from the class your in etcetc. I was always top 3 in class on the "list" so i did not ever get effected by these lists but 9/10 it was popularity list more than a look list. My point, many of these lists girls do on boys never seem to effect any boy into this sort of situation. Like the first comment says i really doubt this list is the direct cause of these girls commiting suicide more of a catalyst.
Girls seem to feel emotions more than boys to also add to the perspective?
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Our girls in school were never on the verge of killing themselves because we made those lists. Blame the parents here !
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On March 29 2012 19:15 EvilTeletubby wrote:Not that I'm defending it, but I doubt these lists are the cause of any suicides. The catalyst, sure, but not the cause. Either way. 
Yes, but we are talking about young teenagers here. They'll overreact because, in their eyes, their "life" is ruined, and don't understand the ramifications of their actions. It's probably part of several factors, like you point out. They probably have a lot of insecurities and this is a "tipping point" or an excuse for them to take their own lives, almost to spite people.
Pretty unfortunate stuff
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On March 29 2012 19:28 vijeze wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2012 19:26 Forbidden17 wrote:
Guys keep a list of girls who are sluts and share them amongst each other? Is this a Netherlands thing? I am from the Netherlands myself, and before today, I had NEVER heard of it.
Same and ''banga'' is not a dutch word either.
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I am so out of this planet. When I was 12-13 I can tell for sure no one in my year had sex. 14+ some, but 12-13... no one that I know and I knew pretty much every guy in my year (4 class-rooms).
What the fuck happened? Or this matter is so different from country to country.
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On March 29 2012 20:06 Dali. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2012 19:54 nymfaw wrote:
what to say? survival of the fittest. maybe her parents were bad, idk, but just killing yourself is pretty weak imo. I guess 13 is the age where girls are probably at their weakest mentally though... Survival of the fittest huh, so you're fine with me beating you up and taking all your stuff because I have a natural advatage? A thirteen year old actually considered, pre-meditated and enacted her own death. This is serverely troubling. Maybe you should dwell on some of the shallow compassion which you seemed to exhibit in the 2nd half of your post. Maybe some people (especially 13 year olds) don't have the same clarity about the future or control over their emotions as an adult. Maybe these kinds of people require our help not our condemntation.
Kids have gone through things that are much worse than what she did and still made it through. Of course she needed help, because she was weak. It's actually pretty rare for a 13 year old to commit suicide.
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On March 29 2012 19:28 DwD wrote:I think these girls got big problems(mentally) and the reason for suicide isn't being on a bang list. Maybe it's the tipping point of stuff they are overwhelmed by but it certainly isn't the sole factor. Show nested quote +On March 29 2012 19:28 Type|NarutO wrote:
Suicide is a selfish act and never solution of problems, but rather source for problems and suffering of other people. It was her choice and I respect that, but I don't feel sorry nor do I think are the boys that put her on such a list guilty. You are so wrong on so many things in your post I don't even know where to begin. Suicide is a selfish act? If a person doesn't want to live anymore for whatever reason(unhappy, deadly disease, old age, whatever) they must be kept alive against their will so their family can be happy? You don't think the happiness of the specific person is more important than the feelings of the family members? It's their life and their right to do whatever they want with it.
I wont tell my own opinion on this, but give you some insight of how one of my best friends experienced the suicide of her 5year long boyfriend.
she and the whole family of that boy were destroyed for months. Some of them had to go to therapy and my friend had nightmares for years. She also told me that she thinks suicide is a selfish act, because you leave the people you love with so much pain, it might happen, that your death results in permanent damage or even another suicide among your beloved ones. So many people will ask themself if they were the reason for the death, even if thats not the case. In her case, that boy was a sick fuck. He had a great family, his girlfriend would have done everything for him, but he choose to hang out with neonazis, take all kinds of drugs and just do fucked up shit. I guess he finally woke up from his "nightmare"-like life and saw himself soo deep in shit, that suicide was the only way out. But it is not! It is the fastest and the easiest, but some people are not able to see this and spare no thoughts about the consequences.
In the end it is a tragedy and a waste of a great gift. life.
p.s.: one comment towards that list - it is just stupid and no girl should ever take shit like this serious and hopefully some boys will act like men when their friends come up with ideas like this and tell them to their faces to stop doing shit like this. Just think of your sister or future daughter and what you want them to experience in life. this will help a lot with your decision making.
edit: please excuse my language.
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13 years old and she's on that list? maybe it she was the cause of her suicide
User was temp banned for this post.
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The banga-list part of this story is very likely to be a hoax. (Not the suicide) Also banga is derived from the marrocan language, not really dutch.
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