EPTBy "best all in" I mean the all in with the most success and win rate
(please don't mention cheese builds thank you
)[Q] Best one base all in PvT
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StarMega
United States34 Posts
By "best all in" I mean the all in with the most success and win rate (please don't mention cheese builds thank you ) | ||
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Angel_
United States1617 Posts
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CluEleSs_UK
United Kingdom583 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
3 gate Voidray ( proxy stargate ) 3 gate immortal bust ( not as good as a 2 base immortal bust tho ) | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
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halfies
United Kingdom327 Posts
On February 23 2012 17:41 StarMega wrote: As Protoss what is the best one base all in you can do to Terran? By "best all in" I mean the all in with the most success and win rate (please don't mention cheese builds thank you )best one base all in that isnt cheese? yep, your definitely toss User was warned for this post | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
I believe this was it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264470 | ||
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kc
Canada212 Posts
On February 23 2012 17:41 StarMega wrote: As Protoss what is the best one base all in you can do to Terran? By "best all in" I mean the all in with the most success and win rate (please don't mention cheese builds thank you )Please re-read your post and then proceed to slap yourself in the face User was warned for this post | ||
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-JoKeR-
Canada387 Posts
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MelodyBW
Ukraine154 Posts
On February 23 2012 17:41 StarMega wrote: As Protoss what is the best one base all in you can do to Terran? By "best all in" I mean the all in with the most success and win rate (please don't mention cheese builds thank you )btw thanks for making me laugh User was warned for this post | ||
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Ordained
United States779 Posts
On February 23 2012 17:52 halfies wrote: best one base all in that isnt cheese? yep, your definitely toss "All in" does not mean cheese, it means you have to kill them before your base runs out of resources. They are just as legitimate as a fast expand, just for a different situation. It is a gamble but its not a cheese. You can't even compare it to a 6pool or proxy rax. Just forces a quick game and punishes someone for being too greedy. To answer the question I would have to say 4gate. It is devastating in the right hands and forces your opponent to stop focusing on economy and more on survivng the next few minutes from hell. They want to keep that double expand? They are going to earn it. I rarely play Protoss though so take that with a grain of salt. | ||
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SigmaoctanusIV
United States3313 Posts
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SC2ShoWTimE
Germany722 Posts
@ topic it really depends on what the terran does. 4 gate is very strong against 1 rax expo but pretty bad when the opponent doesnt expand. 3 gate void ray is very strong against tech lab openings. soo... i dont know if there is a best all in. | ||
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Math.random();
433 Posts
And ppl saying these builds are not cheese, doesn't mean they are not as bad as cheese. Same disrespect. | ||
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Croxter
Sweden39 Posts
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morlakaix
United States860 Posts
Why are people here complaining about him asking for an all in. All ins are part of the game and if you don't know any that, if anything, is hurting your game. I think it's stupid to see a weakness in your opponent like an early expo (see HuK 16 nexusing every game) and NOT all in. If I see someone 15 CC im going to all in, I don't care if it doesn't "help my game." If I want to help my macro game ill macro when it is necessary. | ||
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Rimak
Denmark434 Posts
Extremly powerful, especially if you place a pylon on low ground and warp to terran's main. "They usually just die" (c) | ||
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VoO
Germany278 Posts
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althaz
Australia1001 Posts
btw, there's no such thing for Protoss as an all-in that isn't cheese. | ||
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Demnogonis
Finland80 Posts
I think it's stupid to see a weakness in your opponent like an early expo (see HuK 16 nexusing every game) and NOT all in. If I see someone 15 CC im going to all in, I don't care if it doesn't "help my game." If I want to help my macro game ill macro when it is necessary. Exactly. In response to an early expand I like 4 Gate Warp Prism, Blink Stalker rush and 3gate VR, it seems like you could abuse him being spread out to two bases. Don't know how possible it is to do those things as a response, though, I don't play Protoss at all. Aren't 2base all-ins generally better against Terran? 2-base Immortal, 6 Gate and so on... | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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Wrathsc2
United States2025 Posts
I personally die to 3gateVR all in. | ||
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
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Willzzz
United Kingdom774 Posts
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Douillos
France3195 Posts
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ODKStevez
Ireland1225 Posts
Then add a robo for warp prism all in or twilight for blink. | ||
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Jazzman88
Canada2228 Posts
It's true that the robo and Warp Prism time delay the attack, but the extra mobility that the Warp Prism gives you is worth it. Plus, you've already got a robo, so you can incorporate an observer to spot high ground structures if you need to, and even grab a Colossus if both players are savaged and need to play it out a bit more. | ||
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xTrim
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TejasEagle
United States13 Posts
However, if by some miracle they hold it... You lose, no chance you come back at all. | ||
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BoxedLunch
United States387 Posts
against a standard 2-3 rax concussive shell expand build, 3 gate immortal or 3 gate void ray is better, to abuse their marauder count against a 1/1/1-ing terran, 4 gate warp prism would be better to get past their bunker. | ||
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crocodile
United States615 Posts
On February 23 2012 18:54 VoO wrote: 3 gate void since no Terran below mid master knows how to stop it correctly. Everytime you lose with voidray it is your mistake in combination with luck on Terran side. As a Terran you need perfect micro and perfect bunker placement. Furthermore, the current metagame dictates either an all-in (2-1-1 or 1-1-2) which is autoloss or fast expand which is almost impossible to hold. Lol so true! I just died to that allin every time until I realized how many marines I needed to incorporate into my build early game (which was around mid master  ).Also it auto wins vs 1 rax concussive expand. | ||
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cassurai
Singapore307 Posts
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statikg
Canada930 Posts
Personally if you dare risk taking it one step further, I would go with a fast 2 base 2collosus allin with 4 or 5 gates for the most solid all-in. | ||
zatic
Zurich15345 Posts
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