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StarMega
Profile Joined October 2011
United States34 Posts
February 23 2012 08:41 GMT
#1
As Protoss what is the best one base all in you can do to Terran?

By "best all in" I mean the all in with the most success and win rate

(please don't mention cheese builds thank you )
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Angel_
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1617 Posts
February 23 2012 08:43 GMT
#2
this thread makes my brain hurt. T_T

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CluEleSs_UK
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom583 Posts
February 23 2012 08:44 GMT
#3
4gate.
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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 08:48:04
February 23 2012 08:47 GMT
#4
4gate with warp prism
3 gate Voidray ( proxy stargate )
3 gate immortal bust ( not as good as a 2 base immortal bust tho )
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iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 08:48:32
February 23 2012 08:47 GMT
#5
4gate zealot/sentry all-in works wonders vs nogas fe's
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
halfies
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom327 Posts
February 23 2012 08:52 GMT
#6
On February 23 2012 17:41 StarMega wrote:
As Protoss what is the best one base all in you can do to Terran?

By "best all in" I mean the all in with the most success and win rate

(please don't mention cheese builds thank you )

best one base all in that isnt cheese?
yep, your definitely toss

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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 08:59:09
February 23 2012 08:57 GMT
#7
There was a 5gate +1 armor Immortal/Sentry all-in a while back. I forget if it had Zealots or not. Gonna find the thread...

I believe this was it:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264470
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kc
Profile Joined August 2006
Canada212 Posts
February 23 2012 09:00 GMT
#8
On February 23 2012 17:41 StarMega wrote:
As Protoss what is the best one base all in you can do to Terran?

By "best all in" I mean the all in with the most success and win rate

(please don't mention cheese builds thank you )


Please re-read your post and then proceed to slap yourself in the face

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-JoKeR-
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada387 Posts
February 23 2012 09:00 GMT
#9
4 Gate everything else comes to late or isn't strong enough

MelodyBW
Profile Joined November 2011
Ukraine154 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 09:02:11
February 23 2012 09:01 GMT
#10
On February 23 2012 17:41 StarMega wrote:
As Protoss what is the best one base all in you can do to Terran?

By "best all in" I mean the all in with the most success and win rate

(please don't mention cheese builds thank you )


btw thanks for making me laugh

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Ordained
Profile Joined June 2010
United States779 Posts
February 23 2012 09:08 GMT
#11
On February 23 2012 17:52 halfies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 17:41 StarMega wrote:
As Protoss what is the best one base all in you can do to Terran?

By "best all in" I mean the all in with the most success and win rate

(please don't mention cheese builds thank you )

best one base all in that isnt cheese?
yep, your definitely toss

"All in" does not mean cheese, it means you have to kill them before your base runs out of resources. They are just as legitimate as a fast expand, just for a different situation.

It is a gamble but its not a cheese. You can't even compare it to a 6pool or proxy rax. Just forces a quick game and punishes someone for being too greedy.

To answer the question I would have to say 4gate. It is devastating in the right hands and forces your opponent to stop focusing on economy and more on survivng the next few minutes from hell. They want to keep that double expand? They are going to earn it.

I rarely play Protoss though so take that with a grain of salt.
"You are not trying to win, you are trying to be awesome" -Day[9]
SigmaoctanusIV
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States3313 Posts
February 23 2012 09:12 GMT
#12
Gate Robo Gate Gate Gate Zealot sentry Immortal. It's 100% all-in and inless they have 4+ bunkers you normally win.
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SC2ShoWTimE
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany722 Posts
February 23 2012 09:19 GMT
#13
god seriously. all in =/ cheese. when do people finally understand that?

@ topic
it really depends on what the terran does. 4 gate is very strong against 1 rax expo but pretty bad when the opponent doesnt expand. 3 gate void ray is very strong against tech lab openings. soo... i dont know if there is a best all in.
Progamer
Math.random();
Profile Joined July 2011
433 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 09:26:34
February 23 2012 09:20 GMT
#14
(You better train you macro, I wouldn't do an all-in every game) Best all-in is imo 3gate voidray. You either attack their ramp to kill depot with voidrays and stalkers or you build a pylon on the low ground and warp zealots on the high ground.

And ppl saying these builds are not cheese, doesn't mean they are not as bad as cheese. Same disrespect.
Croxter
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden39 Posts
February 23 2012 09:45 GMT
#15
3gate proxy stargate is by far the ugliest to deal with as terran.. Kill marines and its gg
SaSe II MorroW II ThorZaiN
morlakaix
Profile Joined February 2011
United States860 Posts
February 23 2012 09:47 GMT
#16
against 1 rax FE, 5 gate sentry zealot works pretty well

Why are people here complaining about him asking for an all in. All ins are part of the game and if you don't know any that, if anything, is hurting your game.


I think it's stupid to see a weakness in your opponent like an early expo (see HuK 16 nexusing every game) and NOT all in. If I see someone 15 CC im going to all in, I don't care if it doesn't "help my game." If I want to help my macro game ill macro when it is necessary.
Rimak
Profile Joined January 2012
Denmark434 Posts
February 23 2012 09:51 GMT
#17
3 gate void.
Extremly powerful, especially if you place a pylon on low ground and warp to terran's main.
"They usually just die" (c)
2000 Jungler 66% Hecarim, 63% Volibear, 60% Jarvan IV
VoO
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany278 Posts
February 23 2012 09:54 GMT
#18
3 gate void since no Terran below mid master knows how to stop it correctly. Everytime you lose with voidray it is your mistake in combination with luck on Terran side. As a Terran you need perfect micro and perfect bunker placement. Furthermore, the current metagame dictates either an all-in (2-1-1 or 1-1-2) which is autoloss or fast expand which is almost impossible to hold.
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althaz
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1001 Posts
February 23 2012 09:55 GMT
#19
It's 3-gate void ray for sure. That's hard as frick to hold pretty much no matter your opening.

btw, there's no such thing for Protoss as an all-in that isn't cheese.
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Demnogonis
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland80 Posts
February 23 2012 09:59 GMT
#20
I think it's stupid to see a weakness in your opponent like an early expo (see HuK 16 nexusing every game) and NOT all in. If I see someone 15 CC im going to all in, I don't care if it doesn't "help my game." If I want to help my macro game ill macro when it is necessary.


Exactly.

In response to an early expand I like 4 Gate Warp Prism, Blink Stalker rush and 3gate VR, it seems like you could abuse him being spread out to two bases. Don't know how possible it is to do those things as a response, though, I don't play Protoss at all. Aren't 2base all-ins generally better against Terran? 2-base Immortal, 6 Gate and so on...
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