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Huk and IdrA in Code A; "Zerg doesn't beat Toss" - Page 9

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tMomiji
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1115 Posts
January 29 2012 23:10 GMT
#161
On January 30 2012 08:09 Shackadeemus wrote:
Idra, just switch to protoss already..


That'll be the day. XD
"I wonder if there is a league below copper? If so, I would like to inhabit it." -TotalBiscuit "In the event of a sudden change in cabin pressure, ROOF FLIES OFF!" -George Carlin <3 HerO <3 Kiwikaki <3 MKP
-stOpSKY-
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada498 Posts
January 29 2012 23:11 GMT
#162
On January 30 2012 06:57 CameronJ wrote:
How can you say "IdrA never stops whining" when literally every OTHER zerg says the same?



Because every other zerg either tries to find a way around their issues or deals with it in a constructive manner. He is about the only person that just constantly bitches and whines like a little kid.
Asrathiel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Australia377 Posts
January 29 2012 23:11 GMT
#163
Gogogo Huk <3 ^_^
for science... you monster
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
January 29 2012 23:11 GMT
#164
On January 30 2012 08:07 Empirimancer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 06:56 CoR wrote:
even IF protoss is winning RIGHT NOW vs zerg, since idra is whining since beginning that p is op, even the time when z won 70+% no one can take him serious anymore about anything he says


QFT.


GL to Huk.



I've always been amused that people have used that as some sort of argument against IdrA. IdrA complained about things back in the beta that were nerfed... things that have been released have been nerfed countless times. Just because he keeps complaining and you don't like it doesn't make all the things he's said have been incorret.

It might make him sound like a broken record, but that doesn't suddenly mean the validity of many of his complaints have been wrong.

That being said, IdrA was asked a question in an interview and he gave his opinion. He didn't randomly created a thread on teamliquid complaining about balance or calling out protoss users. There is a difference between unsolicited whining and answering a question.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
January 29 2012 23:11 GMT
#165
Humm didn't know that most zergs are having difficulties with zvp, isn't it actually the opposite in gsl atm?
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nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
January 29 2012 23:12 GMT
#166
On January 30 2012 08:07 Megaman_X wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 07:55 Yaki wrote:
idra not confident against avenge but saying he would win against huk ? where is the logic

because Idra knows Huk is a macro-based player instead of some 2base all-iner or some gimmicky player


Which is funny because he used to always refer to him as the exact opposite. ^___^
polysciguy
Profile Joined August 2010
United States488 Posts
January 29 2012 23:12 GMT
#167
i get idra has issues with protoss, but statistically the matchup is around 55/45 in protoss's favor, according to GSL november results counting code s, code a and up&down matches, and that's just looking at the liquipedia statistics, not even breaking it down to the varying strategies for each player.
glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever---napoleon
snively
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1159 Posts
January 29 2012 23:12 GMT
#168
oh wow i really hope we can see huk vs. idra!!
My religion is Starcraft
Roxy
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada753 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-29 23:13:59
January 29 2012 23:13 GMT
#169
I think the problem with balance discussions in the PvZ matchup are that people on both sides of this fence play someone every once in a while that buttrapes them so hard that they are left dumbfounded as to what they could have done better.

Idra probably wins the majority of his ZvP, but when he loses, he loses hard. He analyses his games and is perhaps unable to determine why he lost and concludes imbalance instead of looking harder.

My personal perspective is as follows:

Did you kill his quick third?
Yes - I'll probably win
No - GG
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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-29 23:14:22
January 29 2012 23:14 GMT
#170
Meh.. I'm Terran so i dunno but isn't the match up all about " protoss can't move out because mutalisk are overpowered QQ " right now ?
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Empirimancer
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada1024 Posts
January 29 2012 23:14 GMT
#171
On January 30 2012 08:11 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 08:07 Empirimancer wrote:
On January 30 2012 06:56 CoR wrote:
even IF protoss is winning RIGHT NOW vs zerg, since idra is whining since beginning that p is op, even the time when z won 70+% no one can take him serious anymore about anything he says


QFT.


GL to Huk.



I've always been amused that people have used that as some sort of argument against IdrA. IdrA complained about things back in the beta that were nerfed... things that have been released have been nerfed countless times. Just because he keeps complaining and you don't like it doesn't make all the things he's said have been incorret.

It might make him sound like a broken record, but that doesn't suddenly mean the validity of many of his complaints have been wrong.

That being said, IdrA was asked a question in an interview and he gave his opinion. He didn't randomly created a thread on teamliquid complaining about balance or calling out protoss users. There is a difference between unsolicited whining and answering a question.


Did you read the post I quoted? What makes Idra's opinion invalid is that his opinion has always stayed the same regardless of how well Zerg has been doing against Protoss, in Korea or elsewhere.




polysciguy
Profile Joined August 2010
United States488 Posts
January 29 2012 23:16 GMT
#172
On January 30 2012 08:14 Noocta wrote:
Meh.. I'm Terran so i dunno but isn't the match up all about " protoss can't move out because mutalisk are overpowered QQ " right now ?

assuming the zerg survives until mutas are out yes, for the most part.
glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever---napoleon
FuTon
Profile Joined April 2011
United States308 Posts
January 29 2012 23:16 GMT
#173
Quoting David Kim from the Q&A from the community in Jan 25th 2012:
"Forge Fast Expand is Difficult to Stop as Zerg

This is something we discussed at BlizzCon as well. The new units we’re bringing in should allow zerg to play more aggressively versus players who are defending heavily with little intention of attacking in the early/mid game. For now, we believe this isn’t a game breaking issue because overall, zerg is performing well against protoss. In fact, zerg is not struggling at any level of play, and their win ratio compared to skill is extremely solid at every skill level."
Source: David Kim's Q&As

So according to David Kim who is the game balance designer, what Idra said about "zerg can't beat protoss" is not true.

ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
January 29 2012 23:16 GMT
#174
"The matchup is absolutely awful, but I hope I’ll win anyway" - iDrA

Greg has changed his outlook so much <3
A time to live.
tMomiji
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1115 Posts
January 29 2012 23:16 GMT
#175
On January 30 2012 08:13 Roxy wrote:
I think the problem with balance discussions in the PvZ matchup are that people on both sides of this fence play someone every once in a while that buttrapes them so hard that they are left dumbfounded as to what they could have done better.

Idra probably wins the majority of his ZvP, but when he loses, he loses hard. He analyses his games and is perhaps unable to determine why he lost and concludes imbalance instead of looking harder.

My personal perspective is as follows:

Did you kill his quick third?
Yes - I'll probably win
No - GG


This is true. Humans apparently tend to remember negative experiences more vividly than positive ones. ...I remember hearing that somewhere...don't remember where. I wonder why that is...
"I wonder if there is a league below copper? If so, I would like to inhabit it." -TotalBiscuit "In the event of a sudden change in cabin pressure, ROOF FLIES OFF!" -George Carlin <3 HerO <3 Kiwikaki <3 MKP
werynais
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1780 Posts
January 29 2012 23:16 GMT
#176
So nothing changed in 2012, Zergs still QQing the best.

NexUmbra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Scotland3776 Posts
January 29 2012 23:16 GMT
#177
On January 30 2012 06:59 stonetalon wrote:
even when zerg is destoying toss idra complains X_X i don't get it anymore...


He will never stop ^^

It's like if you ask IdrA and Artosis how balanced brood war is they will say Toss is OP and Terran is UP
Life has won two GSLs and a Blizzard Cup. NOT three GSLs.
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-29 23:18:06
January 29 2012 23:17 GMT
#178
On January 30 2012 08:09 Shackadeemus wrote:
Idra, just switch to protoss already..


It would be really fascinating it this happened. If he thinks zerg early game scouting/ability to react is bad...
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
carloselcoco
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2302 Posts
January 29 2012 23:18 GMT
#179
That is Idra's way of saying that he will win easily
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LoSoM
Profile Joined January 2012
United States2 Posts
January 29 2012 23:18 GMT
#180
lol.. Well i mean i belive every job in there own aspect is OP depends on how you use it... Zerg (Idra) Protoss(Whitra,huk)
Terran(Happy,tlo,thorzain) ect =) right?
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