[D] Ghosts, Snipe, and Late Game TvZ

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United States276 Posts

January 25 2012 19:33 GMT

In the end game of most High Level TvZ typically the game becomes a Ghost Snipe Show in which all of the Zergs T3 units end up getting killed. You can see this occuring in games as well known as MVP vs Nestea in the BlizzCon Finals. We see this happen more and more and more and personally I think the Snipe ability as currently setup is OP (I play Terran). Do you agree?

Poll: Is Ghost Snipe Overpowered in TvZ?

No (22)

69%

Yes (10)

31%

It shouldn't come into play (0)

0%

32 total votes

Your vote: Is Ghost Snipe Overpowered in TvZ?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): It shouldn't come into play

Well I wonder why this has not been address in past balance changes. Snipe mostly only effects the TvZ matchup so tweaking it would only effect the one MU. With Moebius Reactor Ghosts spawn with 3 snipes ready (without MR they spawn with 2).When Ghosts are limited in number this is okay, but once their is a squad of 6-10 ghosts the ability just gets out of hand.

Vs Broodlords (225 Health) 6 snipes to kill
Vs Ultralisks (500 Health) 12 snipes to kill

So it takes 2 Newly Spawned Ghosts(w/ MR) with no other army supports to kill a Broodlord and 4 to kill an Ultralisk. What makes Ultras still weaker is that they will be also be getting shelled by tanks and marines at the same time.

My Proposal: Double the energy cost of Snipe so every Ghost with MR will spawn with 1.5 snipes ready (1 without MR) instead of 3/2 this will mean snipe will still be an options but it wont be as OP as it currently is.

Poll: Is this proposal a good solution?

No (22)

85%

Yes (3)

12%

Still needs a bigger nerf (1)

4%

26 total votes

Your vote: Is this proposal a good solution?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Still needs a bigger nerf

Discuss whether you feel the same about ghosts, snipe, TvZ late game, my solution. If someone has a free VOD of this scenario feel free to link it.

Your Welcome Blizzard

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zJayy962

1363 Posts

January 25 2012 19:39 GMT

Idea proposals go on the Bnet SCII forums. Not here.

Blasterion

China10272 Posts

January 25 2012 19:41 GMT

Take your balance whine to the Bnet forums. Ideas for balance changes and stuff don't belong here

Jotoco

Brazil1342 Posts

January 25 2012 19:41 GMT

I do think it is a little overpowered.

I do think it needs a little tweak, but this is too big a nerf.

Maybe reducing damage a bit, or increasing energy cost to something like 30 ou 35.

But at the stage we are on I don't know if we should be messing with the game too much.

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United States276 Posts

January 25 2012 19:45 GMT

On January 26 2012 04:41 Jotoco wrote:
I do think it is a little overpowered.

I do think it needs a little tweak, but this is too big a nerf.

Maybe reducing damage a bit, or increasing energy cost to something like 30 ou 35.

But at the stage we are on I don't know if we should be messing with the game too much.

I would say something like 30 or 35 but if a spell cost isnt divisible by 25 normally Blizzard wont do it.

LazyDT

United States71 Posts

January 25 2012 19:45 GMT

I also play terran, but I'm not quite decided. At my level (diamond), I would say that yes...sometimes it can be ridiculously easy to counter EVERYTHING with a few ghosts...but that's generally against a zerg who really rushed for tech and doesn't have the crazy macro ability to instantly re-max with tier 3 units. So you're essentially winning the game with a few rounds of SHIFT+Sniping.

However, I really think that a good zerg has so many different ways of mixing up his composition, and attack angle, that while snipe is really good, in late game, a lot of other things that terran might rely on to fight with (sieged tanks, medivac drops...etc.) dissappear in the late game.

So, in some circumstances it can be ridiculously easy to win, overall I don't think it is a problem. Honestly, you can use just about any unit/ability to solely win the game if the circumstances are right.

Just my opinion.

GornWood

Germany121 Posts

January 25 2012 19:47 GMT

What can I do then against broodlords? Max of 4 Snipes per ghosts isn´t even cost effective 2 ghosts (400/200) 1 broodlord (300/250).By the way an Ultralisk has 550 HP and for a broodlord you need 6 snipes because of natural HP regeneration from Zerg units...

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United States276 Posts

January 25 2012 19:47 GMT

On January 26 2012 04:47 GornWood wrote:
What can I do then against broodlords? Max of 4 Snipes per ghosts isn´t even cost effective 2 ghosts (400/200) 1 broodlord (300/250).By the way an Ultralisk has 550 HP and for a broodlord you need 6 snipes because of natural HP regeneration from Zerg units...

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GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

January 25 2012 19:49 GMT

Sorry, but we aren't the blizzard development team, thus, we can't really make any balance changes.

Post it in the battle.net forums.

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