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Americans have no culture? - Page 6
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
Because at the moment it seems a bit hollow. | ||
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JustPassingBy
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I can see that the united states of america has no (deep) history, which is certainly true, but culture...? maybe people posting this are mixing things up in their mind. edit: maybe they are talking about cultural things which arise from hundreds of years of history? (like opera in italy and china) | ||
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Chaosvuistje
Netherlands2581 Posts
On January 21 2012 18:17 zalz wrote: I know, but it's amusing to realize that not even 50 years ago they were tearing down any link to the past they could get their hands on whilst many consider them so deeply cultural. It's all in the name of uniting people under your control. It is difficult to control people with many different values and standards, so you eliminate or grow certain groups so your target audience is easier to reach media/propaganda wise. It's about as amusing as the pro-russian campaigns during the second world war on the american side, trying to make Russia feel as America's brother in arms. And then when the war was over, flipping around into anti-communism. All within a couple of years. But I'm getting quite off topic here. To the people that don't regard American culture as 'high quality', can you explain to me the standard of culture? Where is the high score table which says your culture has now gotten X extra points and is now regarded a sophisticated culture? Because juding a culture based on it's complexity is about as meaningful as judging art based on how aestetically beautiful it is. | ||
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Holy_AT
Austria978 Posts
In fact every other culture has assimilated main aspects of americas culture and now cant see the differences to them because they have adopted it. | ||
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Tommie
China658 Posts
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HoldenR
Netherlands256 Posts
This coupled with a majority's total ignorance of world geography, understanding foreign cultures (or even caring about them) and not learning a second language really paints a poor picture of America. And while we understand there are people who aren't conditioned to this type of behavior, it is a minority, and thus cannot be called representative of U.S. cultural norms(Since they fall outside the norm). As long as people like Terranist are around, vocal about their uneducated opinions, and they form a large majority of U.S. citizens, the rest of the world will continue to hate you. Whether it's because of a lack of culture or because of your culture, that exact type of behavior needs to end. | ||
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B.I.G.
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Falan
Germany91 Posts
 ). A good recent example is the new film ''The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo''. There is a great Swedish version of the very succesful Stieg Larsson novel which is only 3 years old. But instead of just watching it like the rest of world, Americans need to remake it just a few years after the original film has been broadcast.I know however, that there are several genuine American traditions, which are taken very seriously by many Americans and don't fit into that concept of superficial, commercial rip-off. | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On January 21 2012 19:21 HoldenR wrote: The reason we hate most of you people is because of people saying "lol everybody mad jelly we #1 greatest country in da world god loves us most" and actually using this type of thinking to decide your public policy, such as thinking you have the right to invade foreign nations as "pre-emptive strikes" (also called aggression or hostile invasion), using your political and economic influence to enforce legislation in other nations(See: Spanish/Irish versions of SOPA), and attempting to apply US law as world law(Julian Assange can't be a traitor if he's not American.) I don't recall the US ever having put Jualian Assange on trial as a traitor. This coupled with a majority's total ignorance of world geography, understanding foreign cultures (or even caring about them) and not learning a second language really paints a poor picture of America. And while we understand there are people who aren't conditioned to this type of behavior, it is a minority, and thus cannot be called representative of U.S. cultural norms(Since they fall outside the norm). Let's be honest. The vast majority of Dutch people couldn't find Saudi-Arabia on a map if their life depended on it. The fact that you can speak english is entirely the result of the power of American culture. You force yourself to learn it because otherwise you couldn't enjoy games and movies to the degree that you can now. American's don't have that. There is no powerfull dutch culture to project and force them to learn dutch. I think you won't find many people speaking two languages in the UK either. As long as people like Terranist are around, vocal about their uneducated opinions, and they form a large majority of U.S. citizens, the rest of the world will continue to hate you. Whether it's because of a lack of culture or because of your culture, that exact type of behavior needs to end. People hate the US so they connect negative traits to it. They are bad, therefore they are stupid. It's not the other way around. | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On January 21 2012 19:26 Falan wrote: I don't think anyone really believes that America has no culture. Some people might say it however, to state a point by exaggerating. It's not so much the age of American culture which sometimes makes it look rather dubious to Europeans (many European traditions are from the 18th or 19th century aswell while only a few are really ancient), but rather the way it's made up and spread. It sometimes looks like you take the cultural traditions and heritages from many different countries, mix them all together without really having a deep understanding of them and then have big companies marketing them agressively all over the world to make tons of money. This makes American culture look somewhat shallow and superficial from time to time to Europeans (which doesn't mean that we don't 'consume' it though ). A good recent example is the new film ''The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo''. There is a great Swedish version of the very succesful Stieg Larsson novel which is only 3 years old. But instead of just watching it like the rest of world, Americans need to remake it just a few years after the original film has been broadcast.I know however, that there are several genuine American traditions, which are taken very seriously by many Americans and don't fit into that concept of superficial, commercial rip-off. Most reviews call the US version superior though. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
lol @ baseball being a multinational sport though... | ||
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Deep89
Poland1 Post
NOT. Same logic as most people post here: "LULZ, who thinkz americaz has no culture muST BE STUPID!!!!!11oneone EOT". It's not a valid argument. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture. Don't hate me, i'm not saying americans has no culture i just think its still kinda developing, mostly borrowed from old continent. | ||
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Cinim
Denmark866 Posts
Anyway, your arguments is quite bad aswell, having created some stuff has nothing to do with culture lol. But what US has is an assimilated culture based of... tons of other cultures | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On January 21 2012 19:36 Deep89 wrote: I just loooooooooove americans culture of fastfoods and football!!! NOT. Same logic as most people post here: "LULZ, who thinkz americaz has no culture muST BE STUPID!!!!!11oneone EOT". It's not a valid argument. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture. Don't hate me, i'm not saying americans has no culture i just think its still kinda developing, mostly borrowed from old continent. So wait. Just because you don't like football and fastfood, America has a "developing" culture from the old continent? Horrible argument. | ||
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Demicore
France503 Posts
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Rixi
Spain77 Posts
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Starshaped
Sweden575 Posts
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sOda~
United Kingdom441 Posts
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semantics
10040 Posts
On January 21 2012 19:42 Tobberoth wrote: So wait. Just because you don't like football and fastfood, America has a "developing" culture from the old continent? Horrible argument. The idea that you can't have culture becuase you don't have a nation with its roots roughly 700 or so years burred in the past is short minded. With that logic i can clam that the Internet produces no culture it's not old enough to, with thing crap that means a child cannot produce culture and that all culture cannot be created only culture is identified long after the fact, some sort of hipster i got culture?. There is no such thing as deep, refined or high culture. All those modifiers are just dickish for saying i don't like country XXX | ||
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