On January 22 2012 03:52 metbull wrote: Have you forgotten........ and and The world truly loves American culture. It can't be denied. Or they can't keep out American 'culture'.
Is this really culture? It is weird to say that Americans dont have a culture, first thing that comes to mind is eating turkey on your holiday or saying the national anthum before you start school (not sure if this is dont everywhere in USA) I do not see however, how companys have anything to do with a culture.
Comedy: We own it. Sarcasm: We invented it. Fast Food: We die for it. Debt: We do debt so well it affects other countires and their economies. Computers as you know them: Yup we did that
"Nationalism does nothing but teach you to hate people that you never met. All of a sudden you begin to take pride in accomplishments you had no part in whatsoever" -Doug Stanhope
On January 22 2012 03:52 metbull wrote: Have you forgotten........ and and The world truly loves American culture. It can't be denied. Or they can't keep out American 'culture'.
Is this really culture? It is weird to say that Americans dont have a culture, first thing that comes to mind is eating turkey on your holiday or saying the national anthum before you start school (not sure if this is dont everywhere in USA) I do not see however, how companys have anything to do with a culture.
Yes in fact it is so much culture that you're blinded by it. Because you're blinded by it you cannot fully comprehend how rich our culture is and out of confusion believe we have no culture. Perfectly understandable though.
Music: Jazz + Rap + Hip Hop (though the latter two have been shit as of late) Comedy: We own it. Movies: You watch them because they're about us. Sarcasm: We invented it. Fast Food: We die for it. Debt: We do debt so well it affects other countires and their economies. World Police: Are you going to do it? Computers as you know them: Yup we did that Sports: World champions even though only US teams played
Melting pot of old and new cultures combined and reinvented over and over again. Spreading from Hawaii to NYC. All the fads and ideas the rest of the world wished they could come up with.
America Fuck Ya!
<3 all other countires though.
You are kidding, right? I am pretty sure you know why I am saying this, so I wont argue further.
What I ment with my post was, that I am aware that food is culture, but the idea that a company that produces food can be seen as culture is weird to me. Surely, bad hamburgers and nasty fries with a soda is american culture, but is McDonalds as well?
On January 22 2012 03:52 metbull wrote: Have you forgotten........ and and The world truly loves American culture. It can't be denied. Or they can't keep out American 'culture'.
Is this really culture? It is weird to say that Americans dont have a culture, first thing that comes to mind is eating turkey on your holiday or saying the national anthum before you start school (not sure if this is dont everywhere in USA) I do not see however, how companys have anything to do with a culture.
Comedy: We own it. Sarcasm: We invented it. Fast Food: We die for it. Debt: We do debt so well it affects other countires and their economies. Computers as you know them: Yup we did that
"Nationalism does nothing but teach you to hate people that you never met. All of a sudden you begin to take pride in accomplishments you had no part in whatsoever" -Doug Stanhope
On January 22 2012 03:52 metbull wrote: Have you forgotten........ and and The world truly loves American culture. It can't be denied. Or they can't keep out American 'culture'.
Is this really culture? It is weird to say that Americans dont have a culture, first thing that comes to mind is eating turkey on your holiday or saying the national anthum before you start school (not sure if this is dont everywhere in USA) I do not see however, how companys have anything to do with a culture.
Comedy: We own it. Sarcasm: We invented it. Fast Food: We die for it. Debt: We do debt so well it affects other countires and their economies. Computers as you know them: Yup we did that
"Nationalism does nothing but teach you to hate people that you never met. All of a sudden you begin to take pride in accomplishments you had no part in whatsoever" -Doug Stanhope
But instead of quoting the proper parts you took my lines (except movies) that I actually did take a part of. I consider myself rather funny though I don't know how to prove it. That post was sarcastic Love my fast food and I am a manager of an programming company. I didn't really contribute to the debt in the fact that I didn't make the decision to spend the money, but I did vote for the offical that did, so in the end I am actually a part of all of that.
"Nationalism does nothing but teach you to hate people that you never met. All of a sudden you begin to take pride in accomplishments you had no part in whatsoever" -Doug Stanhope
On January 22 2012 03:52 metbull wrote: Have you forgotten........ and and The world truly loves American culture. It can't be denied. Or they can't keep out American 'culture'.
Is this really culture? It is weird to say that Americans dont have a culture, first thing that comes to mind is eating turkey on your holiday or saying the national anthum before you start school (not sure if this is dont everywhere in USA) I do not see however, how companys have anything to do with a culture.
Comedy: We own it. Sarcasm: We invented it. Fast Food: We die for it. Debt: We do debt so well it affects other countires and their economies. Computers as you know them: Yup we did that
"Nationalism does nothing but teach you to hate people that you never met. All of a sudden you begin to take pride in accomplishments you had no part in whatsoever" -Doug Stanhope
Movies: You watch them because they're about us.
No, we watch them because Hollywood has budget =)
But instead of quoting the proper parts you took my lines (except movies) that I actually did take a part of. I consider myself rather funny though I don't know how to prove it. That post was sarcastic Love my fast food and I am a manager of an programming company. I didn't really contribute to the debt in the fact that I didn't make the decision to spend the money, but I did vote for the offical that did, so in the end I am actually a part of all of that.
I wasn't attacking you, I quoted a comedian and I think it was a good followup to your post . It applies to many people here.
On January 22 2012 03:52 metbull wrote: Have you forgotten........ and and The world truly loves American culture. It can't be denied. Or they can't keep out American 'culture'.
Is this really culture? It is weird to say that Americans dont have a culture, first thing that comes to mind is eating turkey on your holiday or saying the national anthum before you start school (not sure if this is dont everywhere in USA) I do not see however, how companys have anything to do with a culture.
Yes in fact it is so much culture that you're blinded by it. Because you're blinded by it you cannot fully comprehend how rich our culture is and out of confusion believe we have no culture. Perfectly understandable though.
Music: Jazz + Rap + Hip Hop (though the latter two have been shit as of late) Comedy: We own it. Movies: You watch them because they're about us. Sarcasm: We invented it. Fast Food: We die for it. Debt: We do debt so well it affects other countires and their economies. World Police: Are you going to do it? Computers as you know them: Yup we did that Sports: World champions even though only US teams played
Melting pot of old and new cultures combined and reinvented over and over again. Spreading from Hawaii to NYC. All the fads and ideas the rest of the world wished they could come up with.
America Fuck Ya!
<3 all other countires though.
You are kidding, right? I am pretty sure you know why I am saying this, so I wont argue further.
What I ment with my post was, that I am aware that food is culture, but the idea that a company that produces food can be seen as culture is weird to me. Surely, bad hamburgers and nasty fries with a soda is american culture, but is McDonalds as well?
The part about inventing sarcasm doesn't make it so old that it is a lost art or anything.... And I agree that a company perhaps does seem weird that it is part of a culture, but it is a part of your culture isn't it? I mean it is a part of a lot of peoples day. Working at X place or using X place. Like the GSL and to a futher extent all of esports is a part of Korean culture though. It is a company that we think of when we think of Korea.
sorry if this has been mentioned before, haven't read any post cept OP cus i kinda feel most posts will be pointless flames. I disagree with your statement, actually i have never heard it before. What i have heard before is America has no "own" culture, guess this is in regards to America being a melting pot of cultures. And of course America has no(read a relatively short) history. And i kinda agree with both of them. Don't get me wrong i do not mean this as a negative point. The melting pot could be seen as a lesson for most of the world with growing globalism. Not to mention the fact that most cultures in the world have been mixed through invasions and migration. The history aspect the same. Be it short; it is a colorful/diverse history. All i can say is don't worry bout "insults" like that.
On January 22 2012 03:52 metbull wrote: Have you forgotten........ and and The world truly loves American culture. It can't be denied. Or they can't keep out American 'culture'.
Is this really culture? It is weird to say that Americans dont have a culture, first thing that comes to mind is eating turkey on your holiday or saying the national anthum before you start school (not sure if this is dont everywhere in USA) I do not see however, how companys have anything to do with a culture.
Comedy: We own it. Sarcasm: We invented it. Fast Food: We die for it. Debt: We do debt so well it affects other countires and their economies. Computers as you know them: Yup we did that
"Nationalism does nothing but teach you to hate people that you never met. All of a sudden you begin to take pride in accomplishments you had no part in whatsoever" -Doug Stanhope
Movies: You watch them because they're about us.
No, we watch them because Hollywood has budget =)
But instead of quoting the proper parts you took my lines (except movies) that I actually did take a part of. I consider myself rather funny though I don't know how to prove it. That post was sarcastic Love my fast food and I am a manager of an programming company. I didn't really contribute to the debt in the fact that I didn't make the decision to spend the money, but I did vote for the offical that did, so in the end I am actually a part of all of that.
I wasn't attacking you, I quoted a comedian and I think it was a good followup to your post . It applies to many people here.
I know you weren't. Just wanted to counter your piece. I would never hate on Canada though when I was 16 and visiting family in upstate NY, Canada was the promise land of booze, cheap cigs, fireworks and a good time. I know there is much more to Canda than that, but when you're young mischeif is the first thing on your mind when given the oppertunity.
On January 22 2012 03:52 metbull wrote: Have you forgotten........ and and The world truly loves American culture. It can't be denied. Or they can't keep out American 'culture'.
Is this really culture? It is weird to say that Americans dont have a culture, first thing that comes to mind is eating turkey on your holiday or saying the national anthum before you start school (not sure if this is dont everywhere in USA) I do not see however, how companys have anything to do with a culture.
Yes in fact it is so much culture that you're blinded by it. Because you're blinded by it you cannot fully comprehend how rich our culture is and out of confusion believe we have no culture. Perfectly understandable though.
Music: Jazz + Rap + Hip Hop (though the latter two have been shit as of late) Comedy: We own it. Movies: You watch them because they're about us. Sarcasm: We invented it. Fast Food: We die for it. Debt: We do debt so well it affects other countires and their economies. World Police: Are you going to do it? Computers as you know them: Yup we did that Sports: World champions even though only US teams played
Melting pot of old and new cultures combined and reinvented over and over again. Spreading from Hawaii to NYC. All the fads and ideas the rest of the world wished they could come up with.
America Fuck Ya!
<3 all other countires though.
You are kidding, right? I am pretty sure you know why I am saying this, so I wont argue further.
What I ment with my post was, that I am aware that food is culture, but the idea that a company that produces food can be seen as culture is weird to me. Surely, bad hamburgers and nasty fries with a soda is american culture, but is McDonalds as well?
The part about inventing sarcasm doesn't make it so old that it is a lost art or anything.... And I agree that a company perhaps does seem weird that it is part of a culture, but it is a part of your culture isn't it? I mean it is a part of a lot of peoples day. Working at X place or using X place. Like the GSL and to a futher extent all of esports is a part of Korean culture though. It is a company that we think of when we think of Korea.
Maybe the following comparison isnt really correct, because food is food.
Philips is a Dutch company. Philips developed the CD. I use CD's in my everyday live. So in this logic, is the CD part of the Dutch culture?
Edit: more importantly is Philips part of the Dutch culture?
On January 22 2012 03:52 metbull wrote: Have you forgotten........ and and The world truly loves American culture. It can't be denied. Or they can't keep out American 'culture'.
Is this really culture? It is weird to say that Americans dont have a culture, first thing that comes to mind is eating turkey on your holiday or saying the national anthum before you start school (not sure if this is dont everywhere in USA) I do not see however, how companys have anything to do with a culture.
Yes in fact it is so much culture that you're blinded by it. Because you're blinded by it you cannot fully comprehend how rich our culture is and out of confusion believe we have no culture. Perfectly understandable though.
Music: Jazz + Rap + Hip Hop (though the latter two have been shit as of late) Comedy: We own it. Movies: You watch them because they're about us. Sarcasm: We invented it. Fast Food: We die for it. Debt: We do debt so well it affects other countires and their economies. World Police: Are you going to do it? Computers as you know them: Yup we did that Sports: World champions even though only US teams played
Melting pot of old and new cultures combined and reinvented over and over again. Spreading from Hawaii to NYC. All the fads and ideas the rest of the world wished they could come up with.
America Fuck Ya!
<3 all other countires though.
You are kidding, right? I am pretty sure you know why I am saying this, so I wont argue further.
What I ment with my post was, that I am aware that food is culture, but the idea that a company that produces food can be seen as culture is weird to me. Surely, bad hamburgers and nasty fries with a soda is american culture, but is McDonalds as well?
The part about inventing sarcasm doesn't make it so old that it is a lost art or anything.... And I agree that a company perhaps does seem weird that it is part of a culture, but it is a part of your culture isn't it? I mean it is a part of a lot of peoples day. Working at X place or using X place. Like the GSL and to a futher extent all of esports is a part of Korean culture though. It is a company that we think of when we think of Korea.
Maybe the following comparison isnt really correct, because food is food.
Philips is a Dutch company. Philips developed the CD. I use CD's in my everyday live. So in this logic, is the CD part of the Dutch culture?
Edit: more importantly is Philips part of the Dutch culture?
maybe not from the Dutch culture but defensibly from the Brabantse culture
On January 22 2012 03:52 metbull wrote: Have you forgotten........ and and The world truly loves American culture. It can't be denied. Or they can't keep out American 'culture'.
Is this really culture? It is weird to say that Americans dont have a culture, first thing that comes to mind is eating turkey on your holiday or saying the national anthum before you start school (not sure if this is dont everywhere in USA) I do not see however, how companys have anything to do with a culture.
Comedy: We own it. Sarcasm: We invented it. Fast Food: We die for it. Debt: We do debt so well it affects other countires and their economies. Computers as you know them: Yup we did that
"Nationalism does nothing but teach you to hate people that you never met. All of a sudden you begin to take pride in accomplishments you had no part in whatsoever" -Doug Stanhope
Movies: You watch them because they're about us.
No, we watch them because Hollywood has budget =)
But instead of quoting the proper parts you took my lines (except movies) that I actually did take a part of. I consider myself rather funny though I don't know how to prove it. That post was sarcastic Love my fast food and I am a manager of an programming company. I didn't really contribute to the debt in the fact that I didn't make the decision to spend the money, but I did vote for the offical that did, so in the end I am actually a part of all of that.
I wasn't attacking you, I quoted a comedian and I think it was a good followup to your post . It applies to many people here.
I know you weren't. Just wanted to counter your piece. I would never hate on Canada though when I was 16 and visiting family in upstate NY, Canada was the promise land of booze, cheap cigs, fireworks and a good time. I know there is much more to Canda than that, but when you're young mischeif is the first thing on your mind when given the oppertunity.
You won't get my love by praising Canada. I hate that country :D!
rofl somebody at first page talking about jordans and nikes and claiming that its same as any other cultural stuff or like it has any value.
well, Louis Vuitton is a french brand and it have been inspired a lot by french stuff back in the time but still it isnt a part of their culture. Your point makes no sense at all lol.
we are in 2012 and THERE IS still 2 centuries old american ultra-nationalism and the right-wing madness with "WE HAVE CULTURE! WE HAVE HOLYWOOD, MCDONALDS, NBA!!!" stupidty.
The native american civilization that your European ancestors have eradicated from the face of earth had the culture that other people around the world is talking about. Your lands that you are living on now was meant to be colonies, not a darn new europe.
Americans want to have some culture? let it pass 2-3 more centuries minimum coz it is a very young nation and people. Only notable thing that Americans have done for the world was their help in WW2 and that is just because of their debt to the Allies and losing the asian market to JAPAN. So far the American history tells to us regarding culture is that, it is the land of immigration, kudos to french revolution.
On January 22 2012 03:52 metbull wrote: Have you forgotten........ and and The world truly loves American culture. It can't be denied. Or they can't keep out American 'culture'.
Is this really culture? It is weird to say that Americans dont have a culture, first thing that comes to mind is eating turkey on your holiday or saying the national anthum before you start school (not sure if this is dont everywhere in USA) I do not see however, how companys have anything to do with a culture.
Yes in fact it is so much culture that you're blinded by it. Because you're blinded by it you cannot fully comprehend how rich our culture is and out of confusion believe we have no culture. Perfectly understandable though.
Music: Jazz + Rap + Hip Hop (though the latter two have been shit as of late) Comedy: We own it. Movies: You watch them because they're about us. Sarcasm: We invented it. Fast Food: We die for it. Debt: We do debt so well it affects other countires and their economies. World Police: Are you going to do it? Computers as you know them: Yup we did that Sports: World champions even though only US teams played
Melting pot of old and new cultures combined and reinvented over and over again. Spreading from Hawaii to NYC. All the fads and ideas the rest of the world wished they could come up with.
America Fuck Ya!
<3 all other countires though.
You are kidding, right? I am pretty sure you know why I am saying this, so I wont argue further.
What I ment with my post was, that I am aware that food is culture, but the idea that a company that produces food can be seen as culture is weird to me. Surely, bad hamburgers and nasty fries with a soda is american culture, but is McDonalds as well?
The part about inventing sarcasm doesn't make it so old that it is a lost art or anything.... And I agree that a company perhaps does seem weird that it is part of a culture, but it is a part of your culture isn't it? I mean it is a part of a lot of peoples day. Working at X place or using X place. Like the GSL and to a futher extent all of esports is a part of Korean culture though. It is a company that we think of when we think of Korea.
Maybe the following comparison isnt really correct, because food is food.
Philips is a Dutch company. Philips developed the CD. I use CD's in my everyday live. So in this logic, is the CD part of the Dutch culture?
Edit: more importantly is Philips part of the Dutch culture?
I was thinking about the different scenarios in which companies are a part of a culture and I think we could wind up going in circles about everything other than food. Food is something needed to live. And with the companies that provide that food and your food stylistic choice I think you can agree that they're ideas are part of each countires individual culture.
Going further than that and deciding which company fits which culture best for anything other than food does seem odd. It does make me wonder though if there are other companies that can be part of your culture. The big one that sticks out to me is Walmart for the US and perhaps Microsoft as well. I think to assume a certain company is part of one's culture it must be truly dominate and owned by that country, but even then other than food is it really part of what makes up your nation.
I don't really know though -_-
On January 22 2012 09:01 Reyis wrote: rofl somebody at first page talking about jordans and nikes and claiming that its same as any other cultural stuff or like it has any value.
well, Louis Vuitton is a french brand and it have been inspired a lot by french stuff back in the time but still it isnt a part of their culture. Your point makes no sense at all lol.
we are in 2012 and THERE IS still 2 centuries old american ultra-nationalism and the right-wing madness with "WE HAVE CULTURE! WE HAVE HOLYWOOD, MCDONALDS, NBA!!!" stupidty.
The native american civilization that your European ancestors have eradicated from the face of earth had the culture that other people around the world is talking about. Your lands that you are living on now was meant to be colonies, not a darn new europe.
Americans want to have some culture? let it pass 2-3 more centuries minimum coz it is a very young nation and people. Only notable thing that Americans have done for the world was their help in WW2 and that is just because of their debt to the Allies and losing the asian market to JAPAN. So far the American history tells to us regarding culture is that, it is the land of immigration, kudos to french revolution.
Update your history books because that wasn't why we went to war. Also your end-run arguement is that America has no culture because they're too young. The people who live here now are all part of a giant melting pot of other countries. We take all their cultures in and mix them together. With that in mind if we in the end have no culture then no country has a culture. Or perhaps everyone who moved here lost it on their way.
Here is a list of the dates of the formation of every country that exists in the world.
The United States is the oldest country in the America's. Older than Brazil, Mexico, Argentina, etc. But most people would say these countries have more culture than the US. Why? Most of their modern day citizens are also descendants from other places, i.e Spain, Africa, etc..
The Unites States of America is also older than the following countries in Europe: Germany, Austria, Belgium, Finland, Hungary, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland to name a few. In fact, the US is actually older than most European countries.
So you see, if you want to base culture on when the country was formed, then the US actually has one of the most cultured countries in the world...
The only reason why people say countries in Europe have more culture is because those countries were formed from people that had customs and cultural identities from many years before.
Excuse me, did you just claim USA is older than Sweden? Sweden became sweden when gustav vasa was crowned king, which was in 1523. Please explain to me how USA is even close?
Sorry, the Sweden reference was a mistake. Sweden was in fact created in 1523 as you say, so it is older. However I believe my point is still valid that The United States is an older country than the majority of most European countries and all of North and South America.
Not really. Countries in Europe that are clearly younger than US are : Latvia, Estonia, Finland, Belarus, Belgium, Malta, Slovenia and that is about it. You might add Romania, Italy, Slovakia, Moldova and Ukraine to the mix depending on your definitions.
I don't think this argument is relevant at all. A culture follows a nation, or a particular civilisation if you will, not the political idea of a sovereign state. Malta became a sovereign state in 1964, but it would be incredibly stupid to say that the Maltese identity, and thus Maltese culture, started out then, especially when you consider that we have free standing buildings (and thus, evidence of civilisation, culture, religion, etc.) that are over 5,000 years old.
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But instead of quoting the proper parts you took my lines (except movies) that I actually did take a part of. I consider myself rather funny though I don't know how to prove it. That post was sarcastic 
