On January 22 2012 06:21 IveReturned wrote:
Is walking on the moon cultural?
Is walking on the moon cultural?
no, but in all fairness this thread has kind of turned into an "America sucks!" "no America is awesome!" back and forth.
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Tewks44
United States2032 Posts
On January 22 2012 06:21 IveReturned wrote: Is walking on the moon cultural? no, but in all fairness this thread has kind of turned into an "America sucks!" "no America is awesome!" back and forth. | ||
iloveav
Poland1477 Posts
I also think that its not smart to talk in such general way. After all, it only makes other dislike you :D. Its simple, tell your opinion when you are asked for it, or paid for it :D. | ||
Skullflower
United States3779 Posts
On January 22 2012 06:03 Templar. wrote: basketball wasn't created by Americans.. it was created by a Canadian who went to America It was still invented in America though. | ||
IveReturned
Turkey258 Posts
On January 22 2012 06:24 Djzapz wrote: Show nested quote + On January 22 2012 06:23 IveReturned wrote: On January 22 2012 06:22 Djzapz wrote: On January 22 2012 06:21 IveReturned wrote: Is walking on the moon cultural? No it's just really exciting. Lol If I found a game it it gets extremely multinationally popular, does it remain as my own culture? I don't know - if it gets popular in Turkey first and then spreads to the rest of the world, then maybe it's your culture. Maybe not? Things travel too fast now. Thats the aspect people should be looking at, instead of trolling. For me, it is not rational to find multintional stuff cultural. Ex: basketball and football lack cultural aspects. They dont tell you about their origins. But, you can say Cirit(javelin throwing on horses, to each other, like a boss) has many deepness inside of them and there are so many small stuff to do from the past, like 3,5k years. Getting inside your shop for the first time ever ,and taking the first step with right foot has a past and cultural. People don't explain why. But they do it. It of course had a meaning, maybe it still has. Just some Kebab types FYI. They have origins and cultural aspects, according to daily life, and unlike your "Hamburger" types they are all different from each other in many ways. Some look same but, anyway you have to taste all of them. + Show Spoiler + Kebab refers to a great variety of meat-based dishes in Turkish cuisine. Kebab in Turkey encompasses not only grilled or skewered meats, but also stews and casseroles. Adana kebap or kıyma kebabı – kebab with hand-minced (zırh) meat mixed with chili on a flat wide metal skewer (shish); associated with Adana region although very popular all over Turkey.[11] Ali Paşa kebabı, "Ali Pasha kebab" – cubed lamb with tomato, onion and parsley wrapped in phillo.[11] Alinazik kebab – Ground meat kebab sautéed in a saucepan, with garlic, yogurt and eggplants added. Bahçıvan kebabı, 'gardener's kebab' – Boneless lamb shoulder mixed with chopped onions and tomato paste. Beykoz kebabı – Tomato and onion flavoured lamb, wrapped in aubergine slices and garnished with lamb brains.[11] Beyti kebab – Ground lamb or beef, seasoned and grilled on a skewer, often served wrapped in lavash and topped with tomato sauce and yoghurt, traced back to the famous kebab house Beyti in İstanbul and particularly popular in Turkey's larger cities. Bostan kebabı – Lamb and aubergine casserole.[11] Buğu kebabı, "steamed kebap" – cooked in low heat until the meat releases its moisture and reabsorbs it. Cağ kebab, 'spoke kebab' – Cubes of lamb roasted first on a cağ (a horizontal rotating spit) and then on a skewer, a specialty of Erzurum region with recently rising popularity. Ciğerli kağıt kebabı, 'liver paper kebab' – Lamb liver kebab mixed with meat and marinated with thyme, parsley and dill. Çardak kebabı, 'arbor kebab' – Stuffed lamb meat in a crêpe. Çökertme kebabı – Sirloin veal kebap stuffed with yogurt and potatoes. Çömlek kebabı, 'earthenware bowl kebab' – Meat and vegetable casserole (called a güveç in Turkish) with eggplant, carrots, shallots, beans, tomatoes and green pepper. Çöp şiş, "small skewer kebab" – a specialty of Selçuk and Germencik near Ephesus, pounded boneless meat with tomatoes and garlic marinated with black pepper, thyme and oil on wooden skewers.[12] Döner kebab Hünkâri kebabı, 'Sultan's kebab' – Sliced lamb meat mixed with patlıcan beğendi (aubergine purée), basil, thyme and bay leaf.[11] İskender kebap – döner kebap served with yoghurt, tomato sauce and butter, originated in Bursa. The kebab was invented by İskender Efendi in 1867. He was inspired from Cağ kebab and turned it from horizontal to vertical. İslim kebabı, 'steamed kebab' – Another version of the aubergine kebab without its skin, marinated in sunflower oil.[11][12] Kağıt kebabı – Lamb cooked in a paper wrapping.[12] Kuyu kebabı, 'pit kebab' – Prepared from the goat it is special for Aydın region, similar to tandır kebabı. Kuzu incik kebabı, 'lamb shank kebab' – Lamb shanks mixed with peeled eggplants and chopped tomatoes, cream, salt and pepper. Kuzu şiş – Shish prepared with marinated milk-fed lamb meat. Köfte kebap or Shish köfte – minced lamb meatballs with herbs, often including parsley and mint, on a stick, grilled. Kılıç şiş – Brochette of swordfish[11] Manisa kebabı – This Manisa region version of the kebab is smaller and flat size shish meat on the sliced pide bread, flavored with butter, and stuffed with tomato, garlic and green pepper. Orman kebabı, 'forest kebab' – Lamb meat on the bone and cut in large pieces mixed with carrots, potatoes and peas.[11] Patates kebabı, 'potato kebab' – Beef or chicken mixed with potatoes, onions, tomato sauce and bay leaves. Patlıcan kebabı, 'aubergine kebab' – Special kebap meat marinated in spices and served with eggplant (aubergine), hot pide bread and a yoghurt sauce.[12] Ramazan kebabı, 'Ramadan kebab' – Meat mixed with yogurt, tomato and garlic stuffed with fresh mint or garnish on Pide bread. Şiş kebabı – Prepared with fish, lamb or chicken meat on thin metal or reed rods, grilled.[11][12] Sivas kebabı – Associated with the Sivas region, similar to Tokat kebab but especially lamb ribs are preferred and it also differs from Tokat kebabı on the point that there are no potatoes inside. Susuz kebap, 'waterless kebab' – Cooked after draining excess fluid from the meat rubbed with salt and cinnamon in saucepan. Şiş kebab Şiş tavuk or Tavuk şiş or – Yogurt-marinated chicken grilled on a stick[12] Talaş kebabı, 'sawdust kebab' – Diced lamb, mixed with grated onions, brown meat mixed with flour dough. Tandır kebabı, 'tandoor kebab' – Lamb pieces (sometimes a whole lamb) baked in an oven called a tandır, which requires a special way of cooking for hours. Served with bread and raw onions.[11] Tas kebabı, 'bowl kebab' – Stewed kebab in a bowl, beginning with the cooking of the vegetables in butter employing a method called yaga vurmak, ("butter infusion"), before the meat itself is cooked in the same grease. Testi kebabı, 'earthenware-jug kebab' – Ingredients are similar to çömlek kebabı, prepared in a testi instead of a güveç, generally found in Central Anatolia and the Mid-Western Black Sea region. Tokat kebabı – Associated with the Tokat region, it is made with veal marinated in olive oil, aubergine, tomatoes, potatoes, onion, garlic and special pita bread. Urfa kebabı – from Urfa, similar to Adana kebab, but not spicy There are more Ive seen or heard the name of, but that is enough I suppose | ||
semantics
10040 Posts
On January 22 2012 06:33 Skullflower wrote: Show nested quote + On January 22 2012 06:03 Templar. wrote: basketball wasn't created by Americans.. it was created by a Canadian who went to America It was still invented in America though. On January 21 2012 16:46 Nothingtosay wrote: Show nested quote + On January 21 2012 16:44 Wombatsavior wrote: Just gotta say, basketball came from Canada. It came from a Canadian living in Massachusetts. The sport was developed and defined predominantly in The United States. On January 21 2012 16:48 groms wrote: Show nested quote + On January 21 2012 16:44 Wombatsavior wrote: Just gotta say, basketball came from Canada. Correction: from a canadian who immigrated to the US. Always annoyed me that my country tried to take credit for it. He was American... On January 21 2012 17:06 RooStaR wrote: Show nested quote + On January 21 2012 16:44 Wombatsavior wrote: Just gotta say, basketball came from Canada. Just thought the below was interesting. Show nested quote + The First basketball type game may have been played by the early Olmec people of ancient Mexico as early as 500 years go. The Aztec, and Mayan cultures also had a game similar to basketball, only instead of a rubber ball they used the decapitated skulls of their conquered foes. The First true basketball game as we know it was on January 20th, 1892 in Springfield, Massachusetts. Canadian Doctor James Naismith invented the game for the YMCA to play during the winter months. Naismith wrote simple rules for the game, and nailed up two peach baskets for hoops, most of original Naismith rules are still in place today. Some of the rules have changed a bit, and new rules have been added since then, such as in the original game bouncing the ball was prohibited. Of the 13 rules, nine have been modified and kept in the modern game of basketball, the rest have been disregarded. http://www.nbahoopsonline.com/Articles/History1.html On January 21 2012 17:17 Falling wrote: I'v never heard that- I've heard Canada has no culture. Either we are too much like the Americans or else we define our Canadianism as being "we are NOT Americans." Perhaps it could be argued that American culture is not very old- as America (that is ignoring the indigenous cultures). Old culture seems to carry greater importance. But I don't think it could be said that America has no culture- perhaps it's the commercialized culture that people react to. Because quite certainly American/ Western culture is very exportable so there must be a culture to export. Oh and just like a lot of things, we'll fight you for Basketball. No matter how long you've lived in America, if you were born in Canada and if you do something we like, we will claim you. And if you do something we don't like, we will disown you to the Americans just as fast ![]() On January 21 2012 18:13 Wafflelisk wrote: Of course the USA has culture. Just because several people might not like the US government or even the attitude of its people doesn't mean they can deny that several significant things have originated from there in its very short lifetime as a nation. I actually have heard a few people say "the USA has no culture" a few times, and I'm not even sure where it comes from. Maybe because not *every* American person likes/does the exact same thing? That'd be nonsense, because I'm pretty sure not every Frenchman likes wine. PS: Wasn't baseball heavily influenced from a sport played in Britain? I know it became what it is today in the USA probably enough to be called an American invention, but if what I know about it's previous iteration is correct, I think it's unfair to say baseball is a purely American sport without at least explaining one's reasoning in parenthesis. I'll give you basketball, but it's not 100% clear itself. On January 21 2012 22:19 Uncreative_Troll wrote: The only reason why I heared someone saying that America has no culture was because of their influence on the Esskultur ("eating culture"?, is there an english word for that meaning?) Fast food-restaurants and stuff like that are something I by myself consider to be "minor"/loss of culture (<- I am a food racist!) compared to my cultures usual food. Notes: I would consider Basketball to be from Canada when the inventor was Canadian (by birth). Someone claimed that the USA might be considered to have no culture because their language isn't that old... You guys speak English which comes from England... Sorry for my bad English by the way. On January 21 2012 22:31 Arkless wrote: Hate to burst your bubble. But basketball was created by us canadians =) On January 21 2012 23:48 Gyro_SC2 wrote: Wtf , we canadien created basketball ! On January 22 2012 00:05 Epoch wrote: Umm.. Canadians invented basketball. You don't even know what cultural things were created by you. On January 22 2012 00:12 SigmaFiE wrote: Show nested quote + On January 21 2012 16:44 Wombatsavior wrote: Just gotta say, basketball came from Canada. On this point -- no, No, and NO again -- please see James Naismith at the University of Kansas for the invention of the game of Basketball (in its current form) -- please see Latin American empires for previous version (Inca'n if memory serves). Sorry, had to get that out there. Rock Chalk! On January 22 2012 00:53 Feartheguru wrote: America did NOT invent basketball. On January 22 2012 01:10 lolmlg wrote: Hey Canadians. Don't bother. I know you all think you know what you're talking about because of those Heritage Minute propaganda pieces you were bombarded with, but consider that Canada didn't exist when the inventor of basketball was born. He was born in the "Province of Canada" which was a British colony that ceased to exist when the country of Canada was formed. For the "Americans" I should mention this, though: the man was only in the US to do a job, and he was only in the US for a couple of years when he invented the game. No reasonable person would refer to him as an "American" at the time basketball was invented. At least not in this context. By the way, Superman wasn't created by a Canadian. He was created by two Jewish men, one of whom was born in Canada to European immigrant parents. His family moved to the US when he was a kid. On January 22 2012 02:08 GohgamX wrote: Show nested quote + On January 21 2012 16:38 Nothingtosay wrote: We Created baseball and basketball which are truly multinational sports. ![]() Oh boy... Hate to point this out my American friend but James Naismith invented basketball (he was Canadian)... On January 22 2012 03:07 domovoi wrote: Show nested quote + On January 22 2012 03:05 Nders wrote: Didnt read the whole thing, but i hope the OP and everyone else are well aware that basketball was invented by a canadian...not saying usa have no culture, just saying it was a canadian who invented basketball. It was a Canadian living in the US who invented it. It was popularized in the US and exported from there and is currently a much bigger part of US culture than it is a part of Canadian culture. Sort of like how soccer/football is a big part of a lot of cultures, but it was invented in Britain. On January 22 2012 05:21 Mykill wrote: Did canadian who went to US who then invented basketball have a citizenship in US? if he didnt then canada invented it ![]() On January 22 2012 05:34 zalz wrote: Show nested quote + On January 22 2012 05:32 Zoler wrote: Canada invented basketball. England invented baseball. lol American walked on the moon. On January 22 2012 06:33 Skullflower wrote: Show nested quote + On January 22 2012 06:03 Templar. wrote: basketball wasn't created by Americans.. it was created by a Canadian who went to America It was still invented in America though. Apparently canadians don't understand that if you leave a country for so many years you're not exactly part of that country's culture still. Let alone live out the rest of your life die and be buried in America, you're American http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Naismith Place of death Lawrence, Kansas. It's interesting that candians take he being born in canada as him being canadian forever when the US is probably the only country that takes birth place into account for nationality, due to it's immigrant history. | ||
Evil_Monkey_
Denmark296 Posts
On January 22 2012 00:49 whatusername wrote: I think America is the only place in the world where you have ridiculous lawsuits over a nipple shown on TV for half a second. Ahahahahaha, let's start a discussion about the Chinese judicial, oh wait I forgot there isn't one and the goverment and corrupt officials have the final say in everything. A Chinese person laughing at the American judicial now I've seen everything. Ahahahahaha A person from a country where individuals have virtually no rights at all and you still choose to condescend on America. Been listening too much to The Communist Party Manifest have we? 你到底是不是中国人 | ||
The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
I get it, TL is an international site, but who CARES if anyone thinks the Americans are fat or the French are arrogant? Didn't we do all this in the 80's? | ||
semantics
10040 Posts
On January 22 2012 06:31 Tewks44 wrote: no, but in all fairness this thread has kind of turned into an "America sucks!" "no America is awesome!" back and forth. No but it deeply influenced the culture at the time, look at car design of the 50's to 60's americans were obsessed with the idea of flight, the space race start deeply influenced america onwards. On January 22 2012 06:50 The KY wrote: What the fuck is with all these threads about nationality stereotypes recently? I get it, TL is an international site, but who CARES if anyone thinks the Americans are fat or the French are arrogant? Didn't we do all this in the 80's? Didn't you hear racism is dead apparently so country and their people hating isn't racist anymore and people aren't ashamed to do so. =p | ||
dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
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Falling
Canada11267 Posts
On January 22 2012 06:39 semantics wrote: *snip for space. Apparently canadians don't understand that if you leave a country for so many years you're not exactly part of that country's culture still. Let alone live out the rest of your life die and be buried in America, you're American http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Naismith Place of death Lawrence, Kansas. It's interesting that candians take he being born in canada as him being canadian forever when the US is probably the only country that takes birth place into account for nationality, due to it's immigrant history. Yep. That's pretty much what my post was about. If you were born in Canada and left immediately thereafter, we will claim you. We are very possesive that way- unless you muck up your career and then we will disown you- we will give you Pamela Anderson for instance. | ||
Mrvoodoochild1
United States1439 Posts
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TheDraken
United States640 Posts
![]() a bit confused why the OP made the thread in the first place... i don't think it will actually convince anyone that wasn't convinced before. only start flamefests. one problem is i don't think america has a single identifying culture. east coast is so much different than midwest, which is so different from west coast, which is so different from the south. even within one region you can't say florida has the same culture as arkansas. californians are noticeably different from nevadans. there are certain things we all appreciate, but i wouldn't say we have a single american culture beyond the basic american traditions. | ||
caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
For a pretty obvious example, here we are on team liquid.net, a website within the starcraft community with its own cultural norms/worldviews, etc that is completely anational. It's almost like the argument against racism-- there is more diversity within an ethnic group than across ethnic groups, and it make sense to talk about broader similarities between two individuals across ethnic groups than two potential individuals within them, etc. We've all heard it before, don't need to rehash the whole argument here. Why race? or why the pairing of country with culture? The answer is political. Look up romantic nationalsm if you're interested. | ||
Corsica
Ukraine1854 Posts
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Techno
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How will you pay for your massive debt? Why are you trying to police the world? Why are you so homophobic? Why are 12% of your people on food stamps? You fuel wars around the world The biggest issue facing America is how undecuted your people are by statistics. This probably doesnt apply to anyone reading Team Liquid, but you have some dumb ass motherfuckers living in your country. For how developed a country America is, it is highly uneducated. Push come to shove, America is a fucking empire, and every empire in the history of the world has fallen. The world would be a better place if America wasn't fueling the worlds money into Aircraft Carriers and weapons of mass destruction. Can you imagine Rick Perry or Mitt Romney having power over 8500 nuclear missles? What the fuck? On the flipside, America has been a powerhouse of innovation in technology over the past century. So, I mean good on you guys, cause I like computers and video games. | ||
critique
United States135 Posts
On January 22 2012 06:59 Falling wrote: Show nested quote + On January 22 2012 06:39 semantics wrote: *snip for space. Apparently canadians don't understand that if you leave a country for so many years you're not exactly part of that country's culture still. Let alone live out the rest of your life die and be buried in America, you're American http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Naismith Place of death Lawrence, Kansas. It's interesting that candians take he being born in canada as him being canadian forever when the US is probably the only country that takes birth place into account for nationality, due to it's immigrant history. Yep. That's pretty much what my post was about. If you were born in Canada and left immediately thereafter, we will claim you. We are very possesive that way- unless you muck up your career and then we will disown you- we will give you Pamela Anderson for instance. What!?! Damnt it. We don't want pam anderson. Fine, how about this: we will take pam, but we also get Huk, once and for all. I would also be willing to negotiate a trade involving Steve Nash for the state of Minnesotta. | ||
Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On January 22 2012 07:07 Techno wrote: America is the world's culture now, they have influenced the entire world. America is (was?) a great country, but I can't help but feel like the good years of America are gone and they need a revolution to get back on track. Congress is fucked beyond repair, their entire political system seems so corrupt that it should simply be rebuilt from the ground up. They have companies which have way too much power and many, many uneducated people. America can be the best country in the world for years to come if they get their shit together, but to me, America seems fucked beyond repair, and it scares me. How will you pay for your massive debt? Why are you trying to police the world? Why are you so homophobic? Why are 12% of your people on food stamps? You fuel wars around the world The biggest issue facing America is how undecuted your people are by statistics. This probably doesnt apply to anyone reading Team Liquid, but you have some dumb ass motherfuckers living in your country. For how developed a country America is, it is highly uneducated. Push come to shove, America is a fucking empire, and every empire in the history of the world has fallen. The world would be a better place if America wasn't fueling the worlds money into Aircraft Carriers and weapons of mass destruction. Can you imagine Rick Perry or Mitt Romney having power over 8500 nuclear missles? What the fuck? On the flipside, America has been a powerhouse of innovation in technology over the past century. So, I mean good on you guys, cause I like computers and video games. To be fair, the U.S. rates higher than Germany and the U.K. on that index, yet I think most would agree that their schooling is on average probably better. My guess would be that it's because that index just takes enrollment figures, not quality of education, and the quality of education in the U.S. is pretty well known to be shit on average (at least through high school). | ||
NexUmbra
Scotland3776 Posts
On January 22 2012 06:47 Evil_Monkey_ wrote: Show nested quote + On January 22 2012 00:49 whatusername wrote: I think America is the only place in the world where you have ridiculous lawsuits over a nipple shown on TV for half a second. Ahahahahaha, let's start a discussion about the Chinese judicial, oh wait I forgot there isn't one and the goverment and corrupt officials have the final say in everything. A Chinese person laughing at the American judicial now I've seen everything. Ahahahahaha A person from a country where individuals have virtually no rights at all and you still choose to condescend on America. Been listening too much to The Communist Party Manifest have we? 你到底是不是中国人 Because obviously the American government isn't corrupt and most certainly isn't run by big business. All the flaming reminded me of this :D | ||
semantics
10040 Posts
On January 22 2012 07:11 Cel.erity wrote: I don't think people say America has no culture, I think they say Americans are "uncultured", which means they don't understand other cultures around the globe. This is mostly true; we are isolated from other countries. Mexico is kept locked out, Canada is full of soulless doppelgangers, and we don't learn much about Asia or Europe in school. Meanwhile, Europe is a diverse and rich tapestry of different cultures mingling together, so they have more exposure to different views. Japan and Korea are also very globally connected through technology and education. It makes some sense that foreigners would see us as uncouth. | ||
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