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Xxavi
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1248 Posts
January 20 2012 05:48 GMT
#101
OK, I don't know why the original thread needed to be deleted. The changes to that OP is cosmetic, may be a little bit substance wise. Coach Lee doesn't look as pathetic, because he apparently didn't beg to live with oGs for free. OK, that may be important for Coach Lee's pride, but it's pretty much unimportant for me, as a fan.

He may not have recorded his conversation with Spunky. Again, this is a minor thing, may be he actually did.

The big things that show Coach Lee as a sneaky bastard are still there.

I am a bit disappointed that Rekrul didn't expand on Monstery's post on PlayXP. "It's very inaccurate"? Like how? What's the real story. Don't backtrack now, please.
Flamingo777
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1190 Posts
January 20 2012 05:49 GMT
#102
Meh, and to think I made a comment in the previous thread commending Rekrul's credibility and accuracy. Regardless, props on being a good person and admitting those corners you cut in your initial post.
ahbeez
Profile Joined February 2010
56 Posts
January 20 2012 05:49 GMT
#103
On January 20 2012 14:44 Biane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 14:38 Oiseaux wrote:
On January 20 2012 14:27 Ruscour wrote:
You were so goddamn aggressive in your last post and you went as far as you could to shit on Coach Lee, then when it turns out you're wrong everything's fine? Old boys club around here I guess.


I don't see how the few minor details he cleaned up completely make his previous post as something to disregard. One point was essentially not using the word desperate -_- . Another was obviously speculation in the original if you read into the post well enough (the camera part), but people were taking it to be fact. The last is just clearing up the extent of how malicious people make Lee out to be.

The ultimate point of his post is still relevant. Lee jacked players from oGs, later publicly causes drama and accuses teams of jacking his players.


I agree that the core of his post still stands, but the (wrong) minor details can also be very deadly.

If you were in a maths exam and had "10.3" (wrong answer) written in the final answer box instead of "1.03" (right answer) even though your entire working out on the same pieces of paper pointed to the answer being "1.03", you're still gonna be marked wrong.


seriously? this isn't math, it's a judge of someones character.
leecH
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany385 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 05:50:10
January 20 2012 05:49 GMT
#104
someone getting sued? i hope not

(i thought you could sue someone if this person damages your image so much that you loose money)
integrity
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1014 Posts
January 20 2012 05:49 GMT
#105
lesson learned here should be

dont talk out the side of your neck folk, espically when you have an audience
dormer
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1314 Posts
January 20 2012 05:50 GMT
#106
Been trying to think of a more intelligent reply to the people hating on Rekrul for not being a journalist, but screw it --
thanks for the original post and the clarification. I think you did the right thing by sharing what you knew and then clarifying that you found out some of the extreme parts were just speculation. Still says a lot about Coach Lee in all the TSL drama.
Artosis: "You need to hold my hand." Tasteless: "I'm very good at that."
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
January 20 2012 05:50 GMT
#107
dammit, i had my pitchfork and pyre set up ----_____________----,,,, ;;;;;____;;;;; but seriously rek, thanks for the clear up. On another note, this still doesn't change the fact that Lee in essence took members by poaching and is now crying about that, which doesn't change the main point of your OP.
User was warned for too many mimes.
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 05:53:10
January 20 2012 05:50 GMT
#108
On January 20 2012 14:48 Biane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 14:41 DrunkenTemplar wrote:
On January 20 2012 14:36 Biane wrote:
On January 20 2012 14:33 DrunkenTemplar wrote:
On January 20 2012 14:31 StyLeD wrote:
On January 20 2012 14:29 DrunkenTemplar wrote:
On January 20 2012 14:27 Ruscour wrote:
You were so goddamn aggressive in your last post and you went as far as you could to shit on Coach Lee, then when it turns out you're wrong everything's fine? Old boys club around here I guess.


Ammendments didn't actually change anything significant...in the thread that is now deleted Rekrul just changed the bit about the hidden video to "it has been speculated by others that..." or words to that effect

Edit: lol double words


Rekrul should have never lambasted Coach Lee based on something he heard "through the grapevine".


About that one thing, sure. About the Lee poaching OGS players behind Spunky's back and the whole confrontation at the house, he absolutely should have lambasted him.


But when you're lambasting someone about something that can seriously affect his reputation, you better be damn sure you got all your facts right and that its not biased in any way.


...........I'm not saying otherwise. The facts about what went down with Lee poaching the players and Spunky confronting them and Lee remained consistant and other pro-gamers came out in that thread and said that they also knew about it.

Alright I'm done, no more time wasting at work lol


..........I'm not saying otherwise too. I'm not questioning the core of his message, but the fact whether he should have posted what he posted with information he heard "through the grapevine". Straw man arguments isn't the way to go here.


I agree with you. The exaggeration was a bit much. I personally didn't take those parts seriously though, hope the same goes for the majority.
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
moonmeh
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)105 Posts
January 20 2012 05:51 GMT
#109
On January 20 2012 14:48 Xxavi wrote:
OK, I don't know why the original thread needed to be deleted. The changes to that OP is cosmetic, may be a little bit substance wise. Coach Lee doesn't look as pathetic, because he apparently didn't beg to live with oGs for free. OK, that may be important for Coach Lee's pride, but it's pretty much unimportant for me, as a fan.

He may not have recorded his conversation with Spunky. Again, this is a minor thing, may be he actually did.

The big things that show Coach Lee as a sneaky bastard are still there.

I am a bit disappointed that Rekrul didn't expand on Monstery's post on PlayXP. "It's very inaccurate"? Like how? What's the real story. Don't backtrack now, please.


Honestly having translated that and recieiving it's inaccurate makes me confused as hell XD

Clarification are wanted everywhere Mr Rekrul
theBALLS
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Singapore2935 Posts
January 20 2012 05:51 GMT
#110
Well, all I'm wondering is WHY rekrul posted this "apology".

He wouldn't do this without stimuli.
If you lose the stick, you'll always have theBALLS.
DrunkenTemplar
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia647 Posts
January 20 2012 05:54 GMT
#111
On January 20 2012 14:48 Biane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 14:41 DrunkenTemplar wrote:
On January 20 2012 14:36 Biane wrote:
On January 20 2012 14:33 DrunkenTemplar wrote:
On January 20 2012 14:31 StyLeD wrote:
On January 20 2012 14:29 DrunkenTemplar wrote:
On January 20 2012 14:27 Ruscour wrote:
You were so goddamn aggressive in your last post and you went as far as you could to shit on Coach Lee, then when it turns out you're wrong everything's fine? Old boys club around here I guess.


Ammendments didn't actually change anything significant...in the thread that is now deleted Rekrul just changed the bit about the hidden video to "it has been speculated by others that..." or words to that effect

Edit: lol double words


Rekrul should have never lambasted Coach Lee based on something he heard "through the grapevine".


About that one thing, sure. About the Lee poaching OGS players behind Spunky's back and the whole confrontation at the house, he absolutely should have lambasted him.


But when you're lambasting someone about something that can seriously affect his reputation, you better be damn sure you got all your facts right and that its not biased in any way.


...........I'm not saying otherwise. The facts about what went down with Lee poaching the players and Spunky confronting them and Lee remained consistant and other pro-gamers came out in that thread and said that they also knew about it.

Alright I'm done, no more time wasting at work lol


..........I'm not saying otherwise too. I'm not questioning the core of his message, but the fact whether he should have posted what he posted with information he heard "through the grapevine". Straw man arguments isn't the way to go here.


FFS, I said in my reply that you initially quoted that I agree he shouldn't have put in that stuff. Quit arguing with me!! We are saying the same goddam thing.
CounterOrder
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada457 Posts
January 20 2012 05:54 GMT
#112
On January 20 2012 14:51 theBALLS wrote:
Well, all I'm wondering is WHY rekrul posted this "apology".

He wouldn't do this without stimuli.


He has honor.


The people in the 'know' say Lee is actually a dick and is quite shady.
EternaLLegacy
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States410 Posts
January 20 2012 05:54 GMT
#113
Congratulations guys, you got all hyped up on the very drama you abhor and made yourselves all out to be idiots. TL can be such a childish place sometimes..

All this team/player drama bullshit needs to find a nice hole to crawl into where it can't bother the rest of us who are interested in the game of starcraft and not high school gossip.
Statists gonna State.
looknohands119
Profile Joined March 2010
United States815 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 05:57:16
January 20 2012 05:54 GMT
#114
Hmmm... Rekrul, I <3 ya because you're like the old man of E-sports around here these days. You usually tell it like it is but this completely changes the whole tone of the story. I'm a bit disappointed in you.

On January 20 2012 14:54 CounterOrder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 14:51 theBALLS wrote:
Well, all I'm wondering is WHY rekrul posted this "apology".

He wouldn't do this without stimuli.


He has honor.


The people in the 'know' say Lee is actually a dick and is quite shady.


I feel like I know Coach Lee and he is anything but a dick or shady... He's a hardworking guy who overreacts a little when people do things he perceives as wrong or disrespectful. You can't blame him for being so invested in what he does.
"The kingdom of the heavens is buried treasure. Would you sell yourself to buy the one you've found?" - Jon Foreman ('Your Love Is Strong' - Spring EP)
Xxavi
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1248 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 05:56:20
January 20 2012 05:54 GMT
#115
I am guessing he made changes to his story and deleted the old thread because apparently you can be sued in Korea for misinformation on internet.

Coach Lee being into blackmailing and just being a shady bastard, I can see him suing Rekrul
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
January 20 2012 05:55 GMT
#116
owell. tsl is still going down nomatter what.
Xxavi
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1248 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 05:56:04
January 20 2012 05:55 GMT
#117
.
bubblegumbo
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Taiwan1296 Posts
January 20 2012 05:56 GMT
#118
A Rekrul apology thread, welp I guess TL is finally growing up. Next time don't exaggerate unsubstantiated shit while having a TL admin tag next to your name because people actually believe in you. Good call on deleting the previous thread.
"I honestly think that whoever invented toilet paper is a genius. For man to survive, they need toilet paper!"- Nal_rA
Sanjuro
Profile Joined November 2010
Indonesia252 Posts
January 20 2012 05:58 GMT
#119
On January 20 2012 14:51 theBALLS wrote:
Well, all I'm wondering is WHY rekrul posted this "apology".

He wouldn't do this without stimuli.


Those 3 points really made Coach lee like a villain in one of those ridiculous soap operas, sure nothing has changed in this situation but those 3 points really made a bad impact on the perceptions of Coach Lee's character.
im the Villain of the Story, im not meant to be saved
whatwhatanut
Profile Joined December 2010
United States195 Posts
January 20 2012 05:59 GMT
#120
On January 20 2012 14:46 ChuCky.Ca wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 14:37 whatwhatanut wrote:
On January 20 2012 14:33 DrunkenTemplar wrote:
On January 20 2012 14:31 StyLeD wrote:
On January 20 2012 14:29 DrunkenTemplar wrote:
On January 20 2012 14:27 Ruscour wrote:
You were so goddamn aggressive in your last post and you went as far as you could to shit on Coach Lee, then when it turns out you're wrong everything's fine? Old boys club around here I guess.


Ammendments didn't actually change anything significant...in the thread that is now deleted Rekrul just changed the bit about the hidden video to "it has been speculated by others that..." or words to that effect

Edit: lol double words


Rekrul should have never lambasted Coach Lee based on something he heard "through the grapevine".


About that one thing, sure. About the Lee poaching OGS players behind Spunky's back and the whole confrontation at the house, he absolutely should have lambasted him.


I don't nessecarily agree with what Lee did but I can't say that he did anything legally or ethically wrong. OGS had an "open" house and no player contracts from my take. So he just took advantage of the oppurtunity as did the players. No blame should fall squarely on his shoulders as ultimately the players decided to join TSL, no one forced them.

legally wrong no ethically wrong yes.


I still can't really see how Lee is at fault. I would lay the blame on the players but maybe that is cause I am a fan of free business competition and protecting your products with contracts and copyrights. No contract, no recourse, no wrongdoing by Lee is my take.
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