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DrunkenTemplar
Australia647 Posts
On January 20 2012 14:26 SimDawg wrote: You know what amazes me is the first thread was extremely condescending toward all the drama in the SC2 scene. And it was labeled Pot Calling the Kettle Black. You couldn't ask for more perfect irony. Yeah that is kinda funny haha | ||
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Brett
Australia3822 Posts
On January 20 2012 14:16 askTeivospy wrote: well i think from what you've written I think coach lee is also a joke (I never did like him, always seemed like he was victim) but rekrul you shouldn't have went off rumours, sorry but you come out bad as well for this IMO. Obviously you're someone here that a lot of people will believe without question, and I'm sure you've done damage to lee's name by saying things you had no proof of at all other than those rumours, which isn't fair to him even with apology and retract If people could exercise an element of critical thinking, it wouldnt be such a big deal...Why do people need to pay any attention to the more scandalous suggestions being thrown about by people who are not involved, who have not witnessed or experienced any of the conduct and are therefore inherently unreliable? (There are valid reasons why hearsay evidence is for the most part, subject to certain caveats, inadmissible in legal proceedings). The simple fact that Coach Lee's player roster hemorrhages every few months is not speculation, is undeniable and is completely obvious to everyone. He's arguably not capable of fulfilling his role for this reason alone. I don't understand the fascination with attempting to lynch him for unproven, extraneous factors... | ||
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RedHelix
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Ruscour
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
On January 20 2012 14:26 SimDawg wrote: You know what amazes me is the first thread was extremely condescending toward all the drama in the SC2 scene. And it was labeled Pot Calling the Kettle Black. You couldn't ask for more perfect irony. Luckily he doesn't live in Korea, so defamation of character is not a crime he was worried about :D | ||
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
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babylon
8765 Posts
On January 20 2012 14:26 dmnum wrote: Hopefully this will discourage people to stir up other dramas with hope of getting into the TL awards at the end of 2012. Only drama I can think of that would be bigger than this is if someone posted a video of NaDa using a bunch of vietnamese kids to make the clothes he sells at his site. I incidentally did find a video including a clip of NaDa actually working out at the gym. | ||
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DrunkenTemplar
Australia647 Posts
On January 20 2012 14:27 Ruscour wrote: You were so goddamn aggressive in your last post and you went as far as you could to shit on Coach Lee, then when it turns out you're wrong everything's fine? Old boys club around here I guess. Ammendments didn't actually change anything significant...in the thread that is now deleted Rekrul just changed the bit about the hidden video to "it has been speculated by others that..." or words to that effect Edit: lol double words | ||
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Kraznaya
United States3711 Posts
On January 20 2012 14:27 Ruscour wrote: You were so goddamn aggressive in your last post and you went as far as you could to shit on Coach Lee, then when it turns out you're wrong everything's fine? Old boys club around here I guess. Yep, this. Everything Rekrul shits is gold. | ||
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Brett
Australia3822 Posts
On January 20 2012 14:27 Ruscour wrote: You were so goddamn aggressive in your last post and you went as far as you could to shit on Coach Lee, then when it turns out you're wrong everything's fine? Old boys club around here I guess. Actually, it is to a large degree. And they're quite open about it, e.g. 10 Commandments - "This is our house", "Thou shall respect forum veterans", etc. | ||
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dmnum
Brazil6910 Posts
On January 20 2012 14:29 babylon wrote: I incidentally did find a video including a clip of NaDa actually working out at the gym. I'm sorry for the offtopic, but are you fucking kidding me? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=100673 Go post it there. NOW. | ||
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StyLeD
United States2965 Posts
On January 20 2012 14:29 DrunkenTemplar wrote: Ammendments didn't actually change anything significant...in the thread that is now deleted Rekrul just changed the bit about the hidden video to "it has been speculated by others that..." or words to that effect Edit: lol double words Rekrul should have never lambasted Coach Lee based on something he heard "through the grapevine". | ||
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Biane
Australia645 Posts
On January 20 2012 14:19 Medrea wrote: These changes are all rather minor in the grand scheme of things. The original thread could have just been amended IMO. While they may be considered "minor" things in the grand scheme of things (ie. taking FD and tester), 'desperately living with oGs,', 'camera accusations' and 'blackmail FD/Tester' etc. affects the whole mood of things/viewpoints of Lee. While I agree that this doesn't make what Lee does acceptable, it strikes a point on the bias-ness on sources of information, not saying that Rekrul was writing a story in complete favour/bias of spunky's PoV, but some information based on heresay (and people taking it as gospel truth, though they didn't know at that time it was) makes my neutral viewpoint of things from the start a little more firm now...... | ||
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DrunkenTemplar
Australia647 Posts
On January 20 2012 14:31 StyLeD wrote: Rekrul should have never lambasted Coach Lee based on something he heard "through the grapevine". About that one thing, sure. About the Lee poaching OGS players behind Spunky's back and the whole confrontation at the house, he absolutely should have lambasted him. | ||
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whatwhatanut
United States195 Posts
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Biane
Australia645 Posts
On January 20 2012 14:33 DrunkenTemplar wrote: About that one thing, sure. About the Lee poaching OGS players behind Spunky's back and the whole confrontation at the house, he absolutely should have lambasted him. But when you're lambasting someone about something that can seriously affect his reputation, you better be damn sure you got all your facts right and that its not biased in any way. | ||
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Tek_
Canada55 Posts
On January 20 2012 14:35 whatwhatanut wrote: Rekrul, your journalistic integraty just dropped a bit. You need to publish your articles to your sources first so that they can assure the info is valid, and if it is heresay either don't publish it or claim it as such. He isn't a journalist, hth | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
On January 20 2012 14:31 Biane wrote: While they may be considered "minor" things in the grand scheme of things (ie. taking FD and tester), 'desperately living with oGs,', 'camera accusations' and 'blackmail FD/Tester' etc. affects the whole mood of things/viewpoints of Lee. While I agree that this doesn't make what Lee does acceptable, it strikes a point on the bias-ness on sources of information, not saying that Rekrul was writing a story in complete favour/bias of spunky's PoV, but some information based on heresay (and people taking it as gospel truth, though they didn't know at that time it was) makes my neutral viewpoint of things from the start a little more firm now...... The core of the problem is still clear. Hes a hypocrite and manipulated his way into "convincing" FD and Tester to switch. The corrections don't have the sensationalistic or the James Bond effect but boils down to the same message. I didn't really take the camera thing too seriously (neither did the bulk of the community members following the situation.) My problem with Lee also goes beyond this isolated situation. Its the sum of all parts that I'm looking at - this is but an another incident on his damaged resume. | ||
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ChuCky.Ca
Canada2497 Posts
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whatwhatanut
United States195 Posts
On January 20 2012 14:33 DrunkenTemplar wrote: About that one thing, sure. About the Lee poaching OGS players behind Spunky's back and the whole confrontation at the house, he absolutely should have lambasted him. I don't nessecarily agree with what Lee did but I can't say that he did anything legally or ethically wrong. OGS had an "open" house and no player contracts from my take. So he just took advantage of the oppurtunity as did the players. No blame should fall squarely on his shoulders as ultimately the players decided to join TSL, no one forced them. | ||
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