EPTSc2 strat > mechanics. attempts at proving it - Page 4
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
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Sporadic44
United States533 Posts
Idk I dont understand what you're trying to prove. | ||
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ohokurwrong
Brazil283 Posts
if you say "i dont understand the point of this" you cant read or didnt read. the point is to prove sc2 is more build order wins then anything else | ||
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Sporadic44
United States533 Posts
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MarcusRife
343 Posts
In conclusion SC2 strat > mechanics when other player's strategy sucks. When your own strategy and your opponent's strategy has no deficiencies, mechanics are the only thing that matter. | ||
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ohokurwrong
Brazil283 Posts
in sc2 the scouting and "tells" are so subtle and not always obvious. Idra can be quoted complaining about ppl just countering what hes doing and him not haveing a single shot at turning the game around. if you are countered in sc2 there is virtually nothing you can do to hold them off in time to change techs. its impossible. futhermore good mechanics take faster apm then 50 which is the other half of this. i cannot use any speed i may have to just overcome someone via making things faster then them even if they are the wrong things | ||
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SC2ShoWTimE
Germany722 Posts
so... i dunno how this should prove that strategy > mechanics. | ||
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MarcusRife
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ohokurwrong
Brazil283 Posts
if you are aware of how zvz works, the safest build is most likely a speedling expo with fast double queen. its safe from banes and roaches and it not bad on economics. but to know that you gota wall off with the queens for example is when your first 2 lings gets in and scouts his tech. if he makes 4 lings and walls top of ramp similar to BW well you just have to guess. hope you guess right  because if you are on a map like xelnaga well you cannot hold a 1 base all in that easily. this is a map BO win that is hard to deal with sometimes aka the biggest problem in sc2again i actually think terran might be the race i gota play. changed my tune on this via a PM i got. it makes sense i was hoping to avoid terran as i feel terran BO are very very nice and can hit timings that are very powerful and not hard to get to | ||
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SC2ShoWTimE
Germany722 Posts
On January 07 2012 19:19 MarcusRife wrote: I don't follow what you mean by "can you beat a counter". If you lose to blind 2 base blink then your strategy sucked. I don't understand the point of your ZvZ example. I feel like your not understanding what I was saying. Pros strive to play reactively for a reason. absolutely. i mean you cant counter a strat or rather do a better strat than your opponent when he plays safe and reacts to your build. | ||
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LordAwesome
Sweden30 Posts
And this argument that GSL players have bad Micro/Macro, just look at a replay featuring a PRO player vs a non-pro. The difference in reaction time and micro is insane. Pro player attacks, -> the non pro player takes 3 seconds to react to it. If that happened in GSL the casters would be wondering if the player is drunk or afk. Just look at a marine battle early game between say MVP vs KEEN or a non-korean. MVP will 90% of the time move his marines in position 0.5 sec faster every time. And btw, Goody has way better macro/mouse control than anyone below GM, there is no Master League player in America/Europe with better macro than Goody. When Goody has 4 tanks in que on a factory a caster will joke about how bad his macro is during battles. Anyone outside GM wouldn't even que tanks at that point, and instead float 1000 minerals. | ||
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ohokurwrong
Brazil283 Posts
you proved my point lol. that the strats in sc2 are so easy that you dont need much skill just knowledge. you proved MY point with taht statement lordawesome... i hope you know that... i dare YOU to show me a single Wc3 player that switched over to BW and was able to play in korea. show me a sc2 player here thats never played broodwar and teach them every strat then have them fight even a C iccup player and watch him get mirked. everyone knows sc2 is easy when compared to the physical ability needed in BW. thats why strat > everything else in sc2 i mean really explain to me how someone who is not a pro but is in GM is on the same level as a pro. its because the gap that they mechanically have isnt as bad since the strats are so easy to pull off | ||
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prOxi.FighT
Australia114 Posts
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Suitup
Germany53 Posts
Id love to hear your strategic reasoning | ||
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Arisen
United States2382 Posts
 I would caution lower level players who are looking to improve to still work on mechanics. It's 1000% easier to improve your strategy after you have good mechanics then to improve your mechanics and you'll never be a good player without good mechanics. | ||
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ohokurwrong
Brazil283 Posts
On January 07 2012 19:27 prOxi.FighT wrote: This thread is just Sc2 hate in disguise... lol it can most def be taken as that. im a bit disgusted that a person who i am actually 3 times faster then can make the same army as me. the making of armys is too easy in sc2. then controlling them... 1 keybind protoss can get masters. thats a joke. there are pros that use 1 keybind that are in code S. also a joke i love sc2. i wish it was a game where speed matters more yes ill commentate when mic gets here soon. might do it on old crappy mic after homestory cup tomorrow when i start this. it makes me sound more high pitched... | ||
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ohokurwrong
Brazil283 Posts
On January 07 2012 19:30 Arisen wrote: Some of the comments in this thread will give you brain cancer I would caution lower level players who are looking to improve to still work on mechanics. It's 1000% easier to improve your strategy after you have good mechanics then to improve your mechanics and you'll never be a good player without good mechanics. im also not disputing this. im just ATTEMPTING to make a point about how sc2s game is balanced/played is all you know its possible im wrong? i might str8 fail. i might also come up with some pretty interesting builds. i already came up with a few during beta that were promptly copied and labeled but i wont drop names of the pro who stole my one true love, my z build | ||
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MarcusRife
343 Posts
This thread is just Sc2 hate in disguise... I think you are right. It is starting to sound like a complaint about game design. Perhaps ohokurwrong is an Idra smurf. | ||
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