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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On November 29 2014 01:31 Numy wrote: Here's the thread http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2nob58/leigh_deman_smith_leaves_riot_and_joins_esl_tv/ Losing both Joe and Deman means EU LCS is even more pathetic than before. I wonder if ESL offers as much security as Riot was doing but with a lot more freedom. Basically the move to Berlin may hurt EU LCS pretty hard it seems. Saw on Deman's stream that he is apparently in some longstanding relationship, dunno if gf or wife. That made it probably difficult to move. | ||
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Victolol
Germany46 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On November 29 2014 02:08 Victolol wrote: Damn, that sucks. Being born in Berlin I quite like the move by Riot but lately these two were on of the biggest draws towards the EU LCS and will leave a huge gap to fill. On the other hand Riot has, in my opinion, been pretty good at filling caster positions so far so I have hope that something good comes out of this. Well no matter how good they are, the options are very limited I think. One problem is that people are very sensitive about accents, so you are mostly limited to Brits in Europe. The one guy in Europe I can think of is this new LoL caster ESL has since this year (dunno the name now). Maybe they can swap him for Deman. He seemed legit the one time I saw him. | ||
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TitusVI
Germany8319 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On November 29 2014 03:15 TitusVI wrote: NA should hand out Rivington. Quickshot and Rivingtin? Kill me now. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On November 29 2014 03:15 TitusVI wrote: NA should hand out Rivington. Lol I watched most of NA LCS on mute because of him. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Copenhagen Puppies looking for a coach and analyst. Hold my drink lads I got this one | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On November 29 2014 04:12 cLutZ wrote: This is a great example of why the coaching mandate (and these kinds of regulations in general) is silly. We have a scarcity already, its going to drive up costs for teams in a spike that will drive some under financially, and most of these coaches are just going to be random clowns. Riot is giving the teams money for paying coaches. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
$25k per 2 splits. Tell me more about how that is enough to attract quality talent in California and Berlin. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On November 29 2014 05:32 cLutZ wrote: Imagine the following is a Condescending Wonka: $25k per 2 splits. Tell me more about how that is enough to attract quality talent in California and Berlin. And this is a pretty dumb way to think about it because that assumes they are only being payed with Riot funds. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Rofl, where is my resume, pups, i'm coming. Hilarious money for CIS. And saying that there is any "quality talent" right now is just lol, there are literally none established coaches, who can say "i changed this team and they became a champions, I left and they suck" in League of Legends. Even in Starcraft, you can count guys of Ryu Won caliber with fingers on one hand. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On November 29 2014 06:21 Gahlo wrote: And this is a pretty dumb way to think about it because that assumes they are only being payed with Riot funds. My point is that Riot is forcing teams to pick up coaches. Many of which did not have the funds for one before (let alone able to pay their own players adequately). Its really just a subsidy for TSM/Locodoco and Company, while also being a tax on Mil and Col who already pay their players far too little for someone with decent College prospects to justify playing on them. If it was LCS Omaha then I could see it. The #1 problem in Esports remains that the majority still get paid basically that of a first year schoolteacher. With much higher entry risk (potential higher upside), huge instability, and little future prospects. This is why eliminating EG+All is dumb. The potential for collusion is (A) easily handled by non-idiotically organized tournaments; and (B) well worth it so you can have an additional, strong team sponsor in a space that needs to double everything monetarily before it gets close to making sense. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
riot is always moving towards the image of 'proper' esports and not addressing the substance. this shouldn't surprise anyone. | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On November 29 2014 06:48 cLutZ wrote: My point is that Riot is forcing teams to pick up coaches. Many of which did not have the funds for one before (let alone able to pay their own players adequately). Its really just a subsidy for TSM/Locodoco and Company, while also being a tax on Mil and Col who already pay their players far too little for someone with decent College prospects to justify playing on them. If it was LCS Omaha then I could see it. The #1 problem in Esports remains that the majority still get paid basically that of a first year schoolteacher. With much higher entry risk (potential higher upside), huge instability, and little future prospects. This is why eliminating EG+All is dumb. The potential for collusion is (A) easily handled by non-idiotically organized tournaments; and (B) well worth it so you can have an additional, strong team sponsor in a space that needs to double everything monetarily before it gets close to making sense. 50k per year is enough to hire a coach on its own. If you want super talent as a coach (whoever that is supposed to be) you might have to pay something extra, who would have thought. So far almost every team had a coach, which they had to pay out of their own pocket. I can really only think of Mill who didnt have one. Maybe Fnatic? There is no way that getting those 50k is a loss for smaller teams and a tax for them. That is just absurd. As AlterKot said, if you dont want a coach just use the money to pay a figurehead and go on as before. Some teams (SHC) complained because they want the 50k and not show up with a coach at the location at the same time. Never heard of anyone saying they dont like the move in general. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On November 29 2014 12:39 Redox wrote: 50k per year is enough to hire a coach on its own. If you want super talent as a coach (whoever that is supposed to be) you might have to pay something extra, who would have thought. So far almost every team had a coach, which they had to pay out of their own pocket. I can really only think of Mill who didnt have one. Maybe Fnatic? There is no way that getting those 50k is a loss for smaller teams and a tax for them. That is just absurd. As AlterKot said, if you dont want a coach just use the money to pay a figurehead and go on as before. Some teams (SHC) complained because they want the 50k and not show up with a coach at the location at the same time. Never heard of anyone saying they dont like the move in general. NA pros are pretty outspoken on this topic though, at least about its uselessness. Like, coaches were doing same shit before, only things they're getting now is Riot money and exposure, plus shittons of pressure because 99% of redditors/social media users will blame coaches first of all now for every loss and not players, like it happens in actual sports. But in general, it's not like coach is extremely expensive or anything. Most coaches are basically either noname writers/broadcasters, who're known only by those 200 followers in twitter or something and other part are washed pros who can't do anything outside of League of Legends most likely anyway, so it's not like they can dictate the circumstances either. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On November 29 2014 13:43 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: NA pros are pretty outspoken on this topic though, at least about its uselessness. Like, coaches were doing same shit before, only things they're getting now is Riot money and exposure, plus shittons of pressure because 99% of redditors/social media users will blame coaches first of all now for every loss and not players, like it happens in actual sports. But in general, it's not like coach is extremely expensive or anything. Most coaches are basically either noname writers/broadcasters, who're known only by those 200 followers in twitter or something and other part are washed pros who can't do anything outside of League of Legends most likely anyway, so it's not like they can dictate the circumstances either. Except players don't have guaranteed contracts. The main reason why people blame coaches in some sports is because it doesn't make sense to cut players they'd have to pay anyway + pay replacements. With League the teams can bench a player and move on. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On November 29 2014 14:22 Gahlo wrote: Except players don't have guaranteed contracts. The main reason why people blame coaches in some sports is because it doesn't make sense to cut players they'd have to pay anyway + pay replacements. With League the teams can bench a player and move on. Except.............. That is not how most contacts in lol work, at all | ||
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