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nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
December 16 2011 13:03 GMT
#21
An alternate alternate alternate alternate viewpoint?

I think there's a general thread for discussing this already. >.>
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46203 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 13:04:26
December 16 2011 13:03 GMT
#22
On December 16 2011 21:59 Rekrul wrote:
ban


/signed

This OP is hilarious. We don't need another new thread about this either >.<
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
December 16 2011 13:04 GMT
#23
and as we all know: sportsmanship is a cultural traitmark of Korea and found nowhere else besides it.
redloser
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1750 Posts
December 16 2011 13:05 GMT
#24
On December 16 2011 21:55 thesideshow wrote:
baseless conspiracy theory


agreed.
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
December 16 2011 13:05 GMT
#25
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 16 2011 21:50 Azz wrote:
This topic will highlight a different point of view and aim to challenge ESPORT fans over questionable issues and view them under a different light. This topics aim is to consider 'all possibilities' and open your mind to the little things that do matter to some people.

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On December 15 2011 06:33 GOMTV wrote:
There seems to be great confusion regarding an incident involving NaNiWa that took place on the second day of Blizzard Cup. We would like to clarify this matter and hereby announce our official stance towards the incident.


GOMTV announces a great confusion, but this may simply not be the case. Please do not be influenced by GOMTV's comments or responses as they may be simply untrue and attempt to take advantage of the community's good will.

As an organisation, when you announce a decision you provide reasoning behind the decision the moment it bcomes public. What you are seeing here, is a more calculated and knifing approach designed to:

Analyse the community's response before deciding upon an announcement which publicly benefits the current position of GOMTV which aims to caters for the majority of the community in a way in which GOM walks out the winner and community leader


Do not be fooled.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Here is the reasons behind the process in which GOMTV 'REMOVES & REPLACES Naniwa':

A) Maintain GOMTV's 'presence or stature' of being the worldwide premier tournament.

Did anyone ever stop to wonder as to why the MLG & GSL transfer every stopped? Step back for a moment and keep an open mind.

The majority of viewers GOMTV is aiming to attract is the worldwide market, however GOMTV did not think very strategically when they agreed to player transfers with MLG. If any of you have noticed the amount of viewers watching MLG & GOMTV, you will notice that MLG has only increased its viewership and GOMTV's viewership has declined. There are some legitimate reasons behind this:

1) By agreeing to the player transfer, MLG is able to take 'the very best korean players' and the 'very best foreigners' all at once. The barriers of playing in the United States are far less than the barriers in participating in GSL. This means that you will recieve a much greater and broader range of players worldwide competing, which in turn creates much greater value for the viewer. Additionally, the entire event is cast in ENGLISH! A popular language no doubt!

2) Once upon a time, GSL was 'THE TOURNAMENT'.. And why do you think this is? Very simply, the best of the best remained in Korea and this meant that to see the greatest game play, you would have to tune in to the GSL during an awkward time of day. This gave it 'prestige, desirability and a competitive advantage in having all the best players and talent delivering high quality starcraft 2 gaming'.

HOWEVER!

The market leaders are changing! Yes, MLG is now closer to the market leader in providing high quality value and entertainment for Esports Viewers. For some time now, MLG has been stealing marketshare of the starcraft 2 viewership numbers. Why watch 'all' the koreans when you can just watch the very best vs players who you know locally, directly or someone from your own region of the world? I can keep talking about this, but lets get down to business.

This move by GOMTV is a POWER BASED MOVE and has MOTIVES behind it. What this move is:

- A slap in the face to MLG, "We do not have to honour our agreement with you.. And this publicity helps us to achieve this.. It means less top koreans participating in your events and more focus on our events.

- Sends a message that GOTMV will not put up with Naniwa but MLG/other tournaments will, hence attempting to 'establish itself as the premier tournament or maintain higher status within the minds of its market' We are above dealing with conflict mentality.

- Cultural Discrimination: Both Idra and Sen have been affiliated with Korea for some time now, and Naniwa has not. Naniwa broke NO RULES, if GOMTV were not interested in playing this move to their advantage, they would simply modify the rules for future events. GOMTV is telling us all, that WHEN THEY FEEEEEL like it, they will disadvantage you. In many countries & regions around the world, the rules are what matter, and if the rules do not suffice, you change them.

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Korean e-sports fans generally share this understanding of the term 'professional athlete’ or in this case 'progamer', and might be less likely to tolerate a deviation from these core values compared to overseas communities.
[B]

According to this quote, Naniwa is being discriminated against based upon 'Korean Values' rather than any legitimate issue. If Naniwa wants to probe rush, then its his strategic choice to do so. He even GGd, infact someone who just 'leaves the game' is more or less likely worse. Additionally, how about all those players who 'don't leave the game when its over'... What Naniwa did may be frowned upon, but it was clearly within his right to do what he did, and GOMTV is just using this 'legitimate match' to further there own agenda and discriminate against Naniwa.
[b]
Do not be fooled by GOM's true motives, they are an organisation and are out to profit in both the short term and the long term. It can be very easy to just go along and say 'I support GOM and back them 100%'. Yes they may support community interests, but this does not mean you should not consider all possibilities on the table, GOM will be adapting a strategy against MLG as a competitor in 2012, wait and see
.

Player Rights have not been considered in this topic, and Naniwa would have a 'Strong Legal Standing' in regards to this incident should it go to court.

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NaNiWa has however purposefully not tried his best and shown this in a disrespectful manner. This was not only disappointing for his opponent NesTea and the GSL, but also for the many fans who had anticipated a great match. This behavior does not match with the definition of a progamer as laid out in the paragraph above.


Once again, Naniwa is being discriminated against by Korean culture or Corporate power play. I QUOTE: 'as laid out in the paragraph above'. If it DOES NOT MATCH with your paragraph above, then please feel free to publicize this, rather than defining your own principles as you go along. Whatever suits your needs is your definition according to how you have handled this. I am deeply disappointed in GOM for the way it is acting.



Wow. You are taking this WAYYYYY too far. This isn't some sort of soap opera.

GomTV's relationship with MLG is different from your perspective of it. MLG simply allows koreans to bask in the light of international community while GomTV is no doubt a place where foreigners and koreans alike duke it out for the top places. Also, it serves as a place for foreigners to be exposed to the korean community. That's why, some of the koreans appear in MLG on their own will. Top koreans invited by MLG serves as a way to promote the tournament, but the main focus is on how up and coming foreigners take on those powerhouses.

Naniwa's case can be viewed by both sides of the coin. He is BOTH wrong and right. Why so?

Being a foreigner himself, he is excused from those korean values and tradition. This makes him right in a sense as that game with nestea would have gone nowhere if it was other foreigners (excluding white-ra, he is too kind). What would IdrA do in that situation? He would be hot-headed, doing cheeses.

However, being in a KOREAN tournament, this implies that Naniwa have to be mannered and stuff, so that it shows he respect his opponents etc etc, therefore making him wrong in this situation.

Both koreans and foreigners have their own stand in this incident as this is traditions VS modern ideas.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
December 16 2011 13:05 GMT
#26
lol azz.

ProgamerAustralian alcohol user follow @iaguzSC2
ParkBomLove
Profile Joined October 2011
Korea (South)22 Posts
December 16 2011 13:06 GMT
#27
New threads are still being made about this? ....
nokz88
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1253 Posts
December 16 2011 13:07 GMT
#28
blablabla conspiracy theory blablabla

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in a state of trance
speedphlux
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Bulgaria962 Posts
December 16 2011 13:07 GMT
#29
Every time I read a conspiracy theory, I feel bad for the people that wrote them
I really do.

I think it's time for you to take your head out of the sand and look around you - the world is actually a wonderful place.

As for all that stuff you wrote - I don't even know where to start man. No, I don't think GomTV made this call out of monetary reasons or to bitchslap MLG. Yes, Naniwa didn't broke any rules, but what he did was offensive not only towards GomTV, Nestea or the korean audience in general. I got offended by this as well. In fact, I got so mad, that if I were in Mr. Chae' shoes, I would've applied at least 6 months ban to Naniwa and then pushed all possible buttons in my relation with MLG to make them follow my example.

Naniwa's play before that game was brilliant and only luck denied him to be a victor. He has nothing to be ashamed of those 3 losses. They were darn good games. But that final game vs. Nestea ... Seriously, he needs help.
... Humanity Is Not What I Suffer From ...
human_ko
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation676 Posts
December 16 2011 13:07 GMT
#30
I think its quite true and I dont believe GOM much either. Its clear they're getting to the top of their industry and will crush any competitive company, what they need to achieve this - to make the community trust them and look like angels, while making strategical moves.
Don't be fooled, Indeed!
WOrd, yo.
Ninjahoe
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden148 Posts
December 16 2011 13:08 GMT
#31
First i was like ""
Then i started reading ":/"
Finished reading ""

Dude did you think through what you just wrote? You have provided no proof on your theories. GOMtv doesn't show their viewership publicaly. How do you know it has decreased?
NaNiwa, ThorZaiN, SaSe, Jinro, DeMusliM, MorroW
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
December 16 2011 13:08 GMT
#32
I'm glad I read the comments before the OP. That saved me from taking this too seriously.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Azz
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia65 Posts
December 16 2011 13:09 GMT
#33
I can understand if not everyone can understand this viewpoint. But for those of you who can, im sure its interesting enough to warrant a thread.
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
December 16 2011 13:09 GMT
#34
I think you haven't been long enough on TL to make such accusations and be taken seriously.
Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
December 16 2011 13:09 GMT
#35
Why do people think their opinion is so fucking important that they have to create a new thread?
Your opinion is ridiculous, baseless assumptions everywhere.
wat
CallmeMuppet
Profile Joined May 2010
Ireland176 Posts
December 16 2011 13:10 GMT
#36
You really opened my eyes here, thank you!

Finally the proof that this topic is more than dead, please stop making posts like this.
0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Spain2464 Posts
December 16 2011 13:13 GMT
#37
Moar Naniwa threads please!
human_ko
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation676 Posts
December 16 2011 13:14 GMT
#38
we should not let GOM do whatever they want, open your eyes people!!
WOrd, yo.
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
December 16 2011 13:15 GMT
#39
Everyone, GOM is just using an huge SC2 tourney to further their business career punching kittens! True fact!
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
December 16 2011 13:15 GMT
#40
On December 16 2011 22:08 Probe1 wrote:
I'm glad I read the comments before the OP. That saved me from taking this too seriously.

same, i always read comment first to see if it's worth reading
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