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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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Heff87
United States106 Posts
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gregnog
United States289 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:02 -Archangel- wrote: Actually I think most younger people on TL voted for naniwa as they are kiddies with no responsibility in life and don't know shit about life. LOL. Let me guess, your like 21? | ||
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Kompicek
Czech Republic245 Posts
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ChowChillaCharlie
Sweden677 Posts
@idrajit Greg Fields dont have meaningless matches if you want players to take them seriously. ^This still sums the situation up the best. | ||
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Gotuso
Netherlands733 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:01 trucane wrote: Explain to me why Naniwas ( Swede) code S spot didn't go to another Swede in korea but went to Idra and Sen instead? Because Naniwa wasn't invited because he's a Swede? Nationality has nothing to do with this, Naniwa got invited because of his good tournament results, specifically MLG Providence. Idra and Sen are getting invited for the same reason, good results at tournaments. | ||
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ClassyMcderp
Sweden7 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:59 Cush wrote: I just love when people are saying that they won't buy new gom tickets for the new season because of Naniwa. He would have been killed anyway. (He is 0-10 in GSL games btw) Obviously he has improved a lot lately(which you can see by his latest results/games), and lots of swedes was pumped to see his play in code S. Which will result in lots of swedes will refund their tickets, true story. You can't have watch much starcraft if you think he would have got slaughtered, so please keep your shit to yourself. | ||
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Synwave
United States2803 Posts
I wont say I wont purchase another GSL ticket in feb or march, we will see how Gom acts by then. I for one am voting with my dollar on this. GG Mr Chae, Ive purchased nearly every season of GSL up till now. | ||
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oxxo
988 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:00 ClassyMcderp wrote: Fact remains, that he probe rushed isn't a valid reason for kicking him out. You can try to twist it as much as you want, it's a valid strategy EVEN if it's for bronze players. No it's not. It's as 'valid' as lifting your CC and hoping your opponent gets confused and leaves. He deserved what came to him, no matter how foreigner-biased guys try to spin it. It's in line with how Korean players have been dealt with in the past. People should be happy that Sen is in now. He's more deserving skill wise and as a professional. | ||
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mechavoc
United States664 Posts
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Deleted User 108965
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Ertu
Greece686 Posts
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10or10
Sweden517 Posts
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Waah
United States120 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:57 trucane wrote: Problem is that he wasn't allowed to forfeit thats why he did what he did. While I cannot be in the shoes of a progamer and therefore cannot comprehend how exhausting/disheartening it is to have to play a needless match after losing a lot, sticking around for a few more minutes to do a 4gate then leaving the game would have been the better choice. It might be hard, being exhausted and all, but definitely not impossible to do. Should get rid of unnecessary matches or give players the right to forfeit matches deemed unnecessary by them. | ||
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Leach
United States536 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:49 Frankon wrote: Man i think ill get in trouble by posting gifs here but.... The game: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Vb0yn.gif) The player during game: ![[image loading]](http://hydropan.linuxpl.info/naniwa.gif) If you guys still say that Naniwa play was legitimate and didn't disrespect the viewers and his opponent you might as well go to Seoul stand before a random korean and spit on his face. (In reality dont even think about doing this) I really do feel sorry for NaNi, but that looks more like a 14 year-old child that is resentful than a professional. And bearing in mind that the general attitude towards "misbehavior" like that in Korea differs quite a lot from "ours", I can understand the upset this caused | ||
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Ventris
Germany1226 Posts
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Skaminator
112 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:03 Kompicek wrote: Wont pay for gom like this, wanted to see more foreigners to play there. Sen is Korean? | ||
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Mashmed
Sweden198 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:03 GeNeSiDe wrote: How would you feel if you were at the biggest chess championship of the world, and two highly anticipated players were facing off only to have them suicide every one of their pieces 1 move at a time until a checkmate was inevitable? You'd be just as angry! If they played a game of chess that wouldn't give them anything that had no real meaning. Then I wouldn't watch it because there is no point. | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:57 buldermar wrote: This. The issue is that GOM made the decision of letting this situation arise in the first place. It's so easy to have some value to all matches that I'm left wondering what logic is behind the decision of intentionally letting a tournament - with many of the best players in the world - have a structure with certain matches being for neither seating, nor money. This, alone, regardless of Naniwa throwing a game or not, has to be changed. There is absolutely no reason to ever put a progamer in a situation in which he is forced to play a game for nothing, allowing for the possibility of him not being motivated to do so, yet forced to play the game to partly hide his lack of motivation. This calls for yet another question: Can you fault a progamer for not being fully motivated to play a game for nothing other than "the game itself"? 'Not being fully motivated' isn't the issue. We all understand that in matches like this players generally won't play their best. However, acting like a 12-yo princess isn't the same thing. All the sports analogies are nice and all, but in those cases the team actually shows up to play the full game instead of staying home to drink beer. Progamers claim to play this game for 40 hours a week anyhow. So you hang around for another 20 minutes, give a lackluster performance doing something you're planning on doing later that day at home anyhow, and complain about the tournament format afterwards either in public or in private. As a player you do have a responsibility to not only your own team and your own sponsors, but also to the tournament and the sponsors that are supporting them, and to your opponent and the sponsors that are support him. By throwing games away you're screwing all of them over Naniwa should know his place in the 'larger' picture. | ||
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TAAF
Switzerland226 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44256 Posts
How many times have we seen manner mules, manner celebrations, or other semi-BM tactics that completely override this rule? It certainly doesn't make the loser *feel good*. And no one ever gets punished for them, because it's part of the game. People need thicker skin. So you're offended. Grab a tissue. So you paid money and wanted to watch Nestea vs. Naniwa? Well tough luck, because you apparently thought... 2. Every match needs to be played out no matter what? Since when? Over the course of BW and SC2, how many times have we seen matches get crossed off the playing list because they're irrelevant to who moves on? Too many to keep count. The Nestea vs. Naniwa game shouldn't have been played at all, because there undoubtedly would have been "Oh Player X didn't try because the game didn't count, which is why he lost the game," regardless of how epic the game was. It's hardly Naniwa's fault for not caring about a game that didn't count towards the progression of the tournament. He played to win, not to make friends. And how many times have we seen a best of seven turn into four straight boring games of one-sided roflstomps? It sucks. I would have liked Nestea and Naniwa to do better than 0-3 in their bracket, but they didn't, so they got knocked out after three games. They tried, but they didn't do well this time around. 3. Naniwa isn't Code S/ pro-gamer material. This just astonishes me. He moved to Korea, worked his ass off in every single game that mattered, and takes his job extremely seriously. Just to reiterate for emphasis, he frickin moved to Korea for this. He's not cuddly and the best-mannered guy in the business, but he's damn focused and cares about succeeding. It's ridiculous that he arbitrarily loses his Code S spot because some people are angry at him. The rules were vague and he got screwed because people don't like him. If Huk did this, you better believe nothing would have happened to him. Naniwa probably could have been a little more tactful though. He always manages to make things look as bad as possible. | ||
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