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Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
December 14 2011 10:03 GMT
#121
Naniwa has been very unprofessional for a year now and nobody has done anything to fix it.

It's about time he got punished. He needs to grow up.
GGPope
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia367 Posts
December 14 2011 10:03 GMT
#122
Not happy with this decision. Nor am I happy with NaNiwa's.

Both sides of this argument have made errors: GSL for using a poor format, and NaNiwa for disrespecting the league. That means that one side has no right to take control of the situation, because neither of them are in the right.

There needs to be a mutual acceptance of every mistake made that led to this situation. This, to me, looks like a selfish way of dealing with the present circumstances. I do not like how this is turning out.
vali
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands59 Posts
December 14 2011 10:03 GMT
#123
During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours

I feel offended when bomber dropes mules all the time, and when MC does his little taunt in GSTL pre match.. ban them too!!!!! I DEMAND GOM I DEMAND!
Death by a tank
hahaimhenry
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada368 Posts
December 14 2011 10:03 GMT
#124
On December 14 2011 18:54 Tachion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 18:51 hahaimhenry wrote:
he didn't break any rules.

You don't need written rules for basic/common etiquette.
It's certainly not a rare occurrence for officials to make a personal judgement for fines/punishments for player actions in other sports.


Um, he didn't break any rules so he shouldn't be completely taken out from Code S. I hope you realize Code S is the hardest tournament to get through, all he wants to do is be a good player.

Actually, if you watch real sports, there are rules placed for EVERYTHING, as long as the players do not break any of the rules, they are not wrong.

Please don't be a noob at both real sports and esports.
:]
Lixo
Profile Joined May 2011
202 Posts
December 14 2011 10:03 GMT
#125
Frankly that's a good decision. Naniwa should have retired on his own just after the match, how can you support that kid is beyond me.
FXOpen
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1844 Posts
December 14 2011 10:03 GMT
#126
Just bought my new GSL pass after this announcement. Nice one Mr Chae
www.twitter.com/FXOpenESports
KimJongIlJr
Profile Joined August 2011
Korea (North)61 Posts
December 14 2011 10:03 GMT
#127
Excellent decision Boss Chae. This is why I consider you executive of the year. You did what MLG was afraid to do.

Subscription confirmed.
This space for rent
k!llua
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia895 Posts
December 14 2011 10:03 GMT
#128
This was always going to happen. Being a progamer by definition means you are a professional, and there is a certain degree of conduct that professionals in any discipline are expected to uphold.

Add that with the Korean culture ... this was pretty much a given.
my hair is a wookie, your argument is invalid
Remb
Profile Joined August 2011
United States190 Posts
December 14 2011 10:04 GMT
#129
I hate Naniwa. He is immature, spoiled and entitled. Separately GOM's action is equally unethical as it did not break any rules. I am angered by Naniwa and equally angered by GOM's reaction. It is despicable on both sides.
I feel like I lose interest in the legitimacy of GSL because GOM chose an easy cop-out to make its Korean viewers happy. The Blizzard Cup and the GSL Code S are separate entities and Naniwa broke none of the rules of play.
A virtuous act is performed habitually, and not once from incentive alone.
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 10:04:44
December 14 2011 10:04 GMT
#130
On December 14 2011 18:59 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 18:56 m0ck wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:55 sitromit wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:44 m0ck wrote:
To me, the worst part of this is the way that GOM completely sidesteps any responsibility. When naniwa and Hero threw their games, it was due to the flawed format of the tournament. Having a bad tournament-system produces perverse incentives. We saw the result of that. GOM fails to acknowledge their own part in what has happened, and instead puts all blame on one player. That is not the way to do it.


Only Naniwa threw games. Hero played as well as he could. He didn't go 0-4 because he threw anything.

Did you see his game against DRG? He clearly did not play to win. The commentators mentioned it, and it was obvious in the reactions in the LR-thread.


Yeah, the reactions from people who were expecting Hero to 4-0 the group and those who were hoping for their beloved Stephano to qualify over DRG. Hero played as he always does, tried the WP sentry drops etc, DRG just shut it all down and outplayed him plain and simple.

So, the commentators watching and mentioning it, and the viewers watching and writing about it were all wrong. If you take that position there's not much to be done.
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 10:17:12
December 14 2011 10:04 GMT
#131
I wanted Naniwa to get punished a little bit... like falling to up/down seed instead of Code S or even Code A... But to lose it entirely? Is that what this is?

Or is it just temporary ban and he will retain his Code S next season? That seems fine too.

But it's too unfair to pull him out completely and have him to start over. Hell, I won't be suprised if Naniwa leaves Korea now.
Someone call down the Thunder?
Ninjahoe
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden148 Posts
December 14 2011 10:04 GMT
#132
Fucking idiotic from GOM.
They should only give him a warning if anything, fucking stupid decision to make...
NaNiwa, ThorZaiN, SaSe, Jinro, DeMusliM, MorroW
billz
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom63 Posts
December 14 2011 10:04 GMT
#133
If this was any other sport then lawyers would be consulted right now about lodging legal proceedings against Gom. Pretty scandalous behaviour from them - can you really imagine Manchester United getting banned from a tournament for fielding a weakened team in a game that doesn't matter?
Pie > Cake
Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
December 14 2011 10:05 GMT
#134
Forces naniwa to play in a useless game after he wanted to forfeit, so he probe rushes, loses obviously, people complain so they ban him from a totally different tournament.
Maruprime.
Phobbers
Profile Joined May 2011
773 Posts
December 14 2011 10:05 GMT
#135
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141496

From the original GSL thread.

- You must be at least 12 years old.
- You must have your own Battle.net account.
- You must fill out the registration form on the website.
- You must be able to participate in the offline preliminaries.
- GomTV can deny your participation if you are found unfit to be a gamer.

Naniwa broke a rule, people get over it. He spit on Korean culture with his actions. He fucked up, simple as that.
EG/C9/ALL/TSM
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 10:05:56
December 14 2011 10:05 GMT
#136
On December 14 2011 18:44 Manifesto7 wrote:
GOM TV, sinking to Naniwa's level. Sweet sweet drama.



okay what about that shit happens in an OSL game ?

the kid would be kicked out his pro team right upon leaving the studio

edit : but then, it can't happen in an OSL ...
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 10:05:57
December 14 2011 10:05 GMT
#137
On December 14 2011 18:51 AnTiX wrote:
Bye GSL.

Naniwa is a fucking competitor not a puppet show. You fucking don't get it. Fucking amateurish Kor.


I assume you mean Korea? Yup, thats why Korea is miles ahead compared to everyone else when it comes to E-sports. "Amateurish" is not the best word to describe Korea and E-sports.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
December 14 2011 10:05 GMT
#138
Just add weight against the vocal minority, it's a perfectly understandable decision by a company. If they want to keep an image of professional sports, every infraction (moral or legal) should receive punishment. It's very common in sports to receive fines/bans for "moral" infractions. A soccer playing cursing, being violent, refusing a match, etc would receive punishments.

So, thank you Gom for doing being overly harsh and I hope to see good games in the future.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 10:06:21
December 14 2011 10:06 GMT
#139
On December 14 2011 19:04 RaiKageRyu wrote:
I wanted Naniwa to get punished a little bit... like falling to up/down seed instead of Code S or even Code A... But to lose it entirely? Is that what his is?

Or is it just temporary ban and he will retain his Code S next season? That seems fine too.

But it's too unfair to pull him out completely and have him to start over. Hell, I won't be suprised if Naniwa leaves Korea now.


I think they took away his Code S plus banned him from partipaction in the upcoming next Code A + Code S. So I think he won't be in it until February or March when the #2 starts. It will be interesting to see if he decides to stay however or walks away.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Kazuki
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands121 Posts
December 14 2011 10:06 GMT
#140
On December 14 2011 18:51 Ruscour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 18:45 Kazuki wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:40 Ruscour wrote:
NaNiwa did nothing wrong and should not be punished. If he gets punished in any sort of significant way because GOM had a stupid format I might stop watching GSL.


Sigh. You have not been watching any sc2 show have you.

I support of the punishment.

What kind of question is that? Because the hosts of SotG had a different opinion that makes me wrong? What matters is the facts. NaNiwa made a stupid decision, I don't think anyone could dispute that, but to be punished for something that broke no rules is ludicrous.


No, I'm kinda sad that people didn't see this coming. Naniwa just did something that was a bad move for someone who was intending on trying to break through in the GSL.

If they don't put a stop to this by doing something like this, it'll never stop. Just play that damn last game 'normally', using two hands.
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