EPTWhat happened in Korean stream just now. - Page 23
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VAGZ
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forSeohyun
504 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:43 Monsen wrote: Yeah, and professional cycling has been doing so well as an spectator sport for the last dozen years. Well done them. It has though, except for Germany and the doping problems (Ullrich/Jaksche/Zabel/Aldag). "The most watched stage of 2009 was stage 20, from Montélimar to Mont Ventoux in Provence, with a global total audience of 44 million, making it the 12th most watched sporting event in the world in 2009." Cycling is doing well all across the globe otherwise, maybe not so much in Italy (doping problems there also). ARD/ZDF said they wanted to ditch TdF in 2008.. However, I just wanted to provide a counterexample. Cycling is more than a hundred year old and has much more tolerance for these realities. Naniwa did the wrong thing in the situation that is clear. Still, it is not the punishment I would've chosen. | ||
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Coca Cola Classic
266 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:52 Tachion wrote: oh :| I actually thought you were being sarcastic. oops. responding to "how to defend a probe rush when you 6 pool" is not really something I wanted to tackle. I wouldn't even know where to begin the discussion with this person. | ||
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Snorkle
United States1648 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:49 Soma.bokforlag wrote: I have payed for every single season of gom since season 1 and was planning to buy the season ticket for the entire upcoming year. no chance i will now. go to h**l gom I call shenanigans. But if you really don't want to watch what is bound to be one of the best seasons of GSL yet I guess that is on you. | ||
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Kiarip
United States1835 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:51 Demonace34 wrote: Okay, so you are saying that if GSL is a joke competition(without the other person microing) you can win... So in this case, GSL says, Naniwa has disrespected the tournament and isn't fit to be a competitor because the tournament is suppose to be the best in the world. If you put out a product and people are paying to watch the best players in SCII, why would you let someone throw a game on purpose? It is one thing to just FF or make an excuse, it is another thing to worker rush and GG. Um... that's great. How about we play some games ZvP and PvP... I'm not a super high grandmaster GSL level player, but I bet you that I will win not only 100% of the games where you 7 probe rush me in ZvP, but I will also beat you in 100% of the games where you Nexus first in PvP... and yet somehow Hero didn't get punished for his Nexus first. | ||
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bluQ
Germany1724 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:53 Ncutable wrote: To all these people comparing the situation to some professional sports. I think it´s most comparable to the Football WC. World´s best teams meet to represent their countries and decide who is the best team at the moment. But it´s not just that but also a big reason to celebrate the sport and have a great time, both for the fans and the players. So when in group stage there´s the third game to be played and 2 teams face who are already out (both lost first 2 games etc.) they give it their best nonetheless and usually also field their best players. Because it´s an honour to be one of the qualified teams and a pretty rare possibility for the fans to see their team compete against these other champions. BlizzCup is a tourney that afaik GOM especially set up as a season closing event where fans get to see the best players from around the world showcasing there talents. That´s why Naniwa-Nestea game was played and in Up&Downs games like this aren´t. Not true. Just not true. Germany don't starts with their best team-setup when they advanced no matter the result of the game. Stop telling lies please. | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:53 Ncutable wrote: To all these people comparing the situation to some professional sports. I think it´s most comparable to the Football WC. World´s best teams meet to represent their countries and decide who is the best team at the moment. But it´s not just that but also a big reason to celebrate the sport and have a great time, both for the fans and the players. So when in group stage there´s the third game to be played and 2 teams face who are already out (both lost first 2 games etc.) they give it their best nonetheless and usually also field their best players. Because it´s an honour to be one of the qualified teams and a pretty rare possibility for the fans to see their team compete against these other champions. BlizzCup is a tourney that afaik GOM especially set up as a season closing event where fans get to see the best players from around the world showcasing there talents. That´s why Naniwa-Nestea game was played and in Up&Downs games like this aren´t. They don't always give it their best though. | ||
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Ziggitz
United States340 Posts
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Focuspants
Canada780 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:32 hahaimhenry wrote: You're from Canada, I bet you watch hockey like I do. When has a team in the NHL gotten punished for not playing their best players? If you watch basketball, teams seeded in the playoffs start playing their B-teamers near the end of the season 'cause it doesn't matter anymore. The NBA doesn't punish them for this. Equating what he did to playing B teamers is a terrible analogy. Those B teamers have something to prove. They push hard, try to win, play for pride, play for the fans. You do realize we essentially allow them to do what they do. if nobody watched, or paid money, their job wouldnt exist. Probe rushing would be more like a hockey team getting the puck at the opening faceoff, putting it in their own net, and skating off the ice, then saying the game didnt mean anything who cares. Any PROFESSIONAL athlete should realize, that even if they dont give a shit, they owe it to the fans, sponsors, their team, and the sport, to play the game. If I went to a Leafs game (I live in Toronto) and somethign like this happened, i would be outraged, as would the whole city, as would the league. | ||
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bluQ
Germany1724 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:53 Kiarip wrote: Um... that's great. How about we play some games ZvP and PvP... I'm not a super high grandmaster GSL level player, but I bet you that I will win not only 100% of the games where you 7 probe rush me in ZvP, but I will also beat you in 100% of the games where you Nexus first in PvP... and yet somehow Hero didn't get punished for his Nexus first. Two good reasons why he didn't get punished: He is korean. He is cuter than Nani. Aren't those totally legit reasons? No? | ||
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Xax
475 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:47 Hagg wrote: To quote another poster: Gom should have been professional about being professional. Naniwa probably deserved some kind of punishment, but GOM handled it more like the average butthurt toddler would than an international league. The justification given (the rule) is WAY too vague, and the personal attack upon Naniwa was dispicable. The funny thing is that the community is bashing Gom for something someone vaguely translated on twitter. Maybe wait for a proper press release with non-lost-in-translation-wording. | ||
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Remb
United States190 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:54 Ziggitz wrote: Does anyone know where on the site to refund your year pass? I think you'll have to e-mail someone. Not sure who though, or if they will respond to you. | ||
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zestzorb
Thailand776 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:53 Clearout wrote: If you intend to lose, what difference does strategy used make? How do you know Stephano intended to lose? | ||
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polarwolf
924 Posts
Also I think Naniwa is a coward, he should have played the game against Nestea for pride, there is a huge rivalry between them, but I think he might have been too afraid to lose and pretend to not care. I am glad that joke of a character got this coming. | ||
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Vod.kaholic
United States1052 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:22 SilverLeagueElite wrote: He kinda put Gom in a hard position. Punish Naniwa, foreign fans get butthurt. Don't punish him, Koreans get butthurt. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. This is probably one of the best summations of the whole incident. Throwing tournament games is beyond unacceptable in the Korean pro-gaming mentality, and given that GSL is a Korean tournament, I don't think all the "oh but it was a worthless game so whatever" arguments are valid. If you look at it that way, you're not considering this from the other perspective. When in Rome, do as the Romans do, don't shit on their porches and act all surprised when they kick you out. | ||
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EchoZ
Japan5041 Posts
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n0ise
3452 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:53 VAGZ wrote: I think this is actually good for Naniwa in order for him to change his behaviour, maybe he will learn his lesson now. So unnecessary of him to forfeit a game like that in the first place... Honestly, this would be the only good thing to come out of this. But if history is any indication, 0% chance of this to happen. All in all, harsh but correct decision by Gom. | ||
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bluQ
Germany1724 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:55 Focuspants wrote: Equating what he did to playing B teamers is a terrible analogy. Those B teamers have something to prove. They push hard, try to win, play for pride, play for the fans. You do realize we essentially allow them to do what they do. if nobody watched, or paid money, their job wouldnt exist. Probe rushing would be more like a hockey team getting the puck at the opening faceoff, putting it in their own net, and skating off the ice, then saying the game didnt mean anything who cares. Any PROFESSIONAL athlete should realize, that even if they dont give a shit, they owe it to the fans, sponsors, their team, and the sport, to play the game. If I went to a Leafs game (I live in Toronto) and somethign like this happened, i would be outraged, as would the whole city, as would the league. God ... stop putting up WRONG anaologies: Scoring a goal on your own side = attacking your own buildings/killing your own units ... | ||
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Hren
Slovenia86 Posts
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babo213
United States266 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:55 bluQ wrote: Two good reasons why he didn't get punished: He is korean. He is cuter than Nani. Aren't those totally legit reasons? No? Except on CBtS Killer tried that as well in a PvP. Had Hero got the probe he would have been fine. | ||
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