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On December 14 2011 19:45 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:43 hahaimhenry wrote:On December 14 2011 19:39 hjop wrote:On December 14 2011 19:04 billz wrote:
If this was any other sport then lawyers would be consulted right now about lodging legal proceedings against Gom. Pretty scandalous behaviour from them - can you really imagine Manchester United getting banned from a tournament for fielding a weakened team in a game that doesn't matter? Great comparison, except a 6 probe rush has a ZERO % chance of winning at all, where as a WEAKENED Manchester United team always has a chance of winning AND they are giving lesser experienced players an opportunity to get some experience. I think you'd be better off comparing it to Manchester United not showing up at all, because then they'd have a ZERO % chance of winning. Such an out of place comparison. Naniwa could have just proxy 2 gated, cannon rushed or 4 gated. Actually, probe rush beats someone going 6 pool. no it doesn't. you can run drones around forever until ling pops out or cancel pool and make 3 more drones. Its not possible to win with probe rush, no matter what you do
it is if the other guy doesn't attack move his drones.
edit: and even if he does really good micro could probably beat a single attack move
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I guess if he had gone for a 4 gate it would have been justified. ffs GSL. They are professionals, they make a living of playing the game. Banning a player from improving his skill and possibly winning a lot of money just because you did not get to see Nestea get his revenge, is simply being a jerk. I wonder if they would do the same to MC, MVP or Nestea.
T_T
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Nice call to ban Naniwa. That was so disrespectful of him. All haters can stop watching GSL, who cares.
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On December 14 2011 19:38 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:36 Ben... wrote:
Good on GomTV for sticking up for themselves. Naniwa has got away with disrespecting too many tournaments and having a horrible attitude about a profession most people can only dream about doing. It's about time someone showed him he needs to shape up a bit. There were many other players who would have loved that spot and would have gave their best in all their games, even if they can't advance, just to show their appreciation for being given the opportunity. You do know that this was the BlizzCup and not GSL Code S? And Naniwa moved to Korea to practice in first place. I love it how ppl try to shift the facts so that the can bash naniwa I never said it was Code S anywhere in my post so don't put words in my mouth. The Blizzard Cup is a tournament, a small one, but still a tournament. There were many other pros that, had they got in, would have taken that game much more seriously in the same situation. Perhaps you should read a post more thoroughly before crapping on it. All I said was Naniwa needed a reality check and that other players would have played out the last game out of respect for being given the opportunity.
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On December 14 2011 19:33 chenchen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:29 AnTiX wrote:On December 14 2011 19:05 Grettin wrote:On December 14 2011 18:51 AnTiX wrote:
Bye GSL.
Naniwa is a fucking competitor not a puppet show. You fucking don't get it. Fucking amateurish Kor. I assume you mean Korea? Yup, thats why Korea is miles ahead compared to everyone else when it comes to E-sports. "Amateurish" is not the best word to describe Korea and E-sports. And Naniwa's mind set is miles ahead compared to many progamers. He is not here for the money at all. He stays in Korea not because he likes it, not because his life is better there. No, he plays there to be the best. He is one of the most dedidacted player out there. And still GOM stated, he is an amateur prize hunter... If Naniwa were really in Korea because he's there to be the best, then he has to step up and play the best even if it has no financial consequences for him. Having the chance to play Nestea in front of the whole world is actually a rare opportunity for him, and he decided to waste it. So much for good mindset.
You are not too much in sport, are you ?
Naniwa was very upset about the 3 games before. And he had to play another game for NOTHING. OH yeah like he said, he could have 4 gate failed and everyone would be happy. But no, he was very honest about how much he cares about this game. Nestea or not Nestea is not the point there. For me, it didn't hurt the show at all. I was very satisfied with his honesty.
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On December 14 2011 19:46 UnlimitedTyyppi wrote:
So GOMTV is now deciding which strats are acceptable in their games, and which are so bad they disgrace the other player? I mean really, yes Naniwa threw that game, but it is still up to the players what they want to do. There are many other ways a player can intentionally loose a game whilst pushing the boundary of these punishments. What if Naniwa had done a cannon rush right under an ovie without walling of or having a cannon in his main? or just building 10 probes and doing whatever? where is the line with this?
That said I can´t say I am surprised either, they are trying to keep the GSL as clean as possible in every way, and successfully doing so.
The line is the mood, nationality, popularity and so on. Just some soft-facts that GOM chooses randomly 
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To quote another poster:
Gom should have been professional about being professional.
Naniwa probably deserved some kind of punishment, but GOM handled it more like the average butthurt toddler would than an international league. The justification given (the rule) is WAY too vague, and the personal attack upon Naniwa was dispicable.
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On December 14 2011 19:41 Yami_no_cosmos wrote:
I do not have a personal grudge against NaNiwa cause when I've meet him he was actually quite a sweet guy.
But I most say that I'm super exited to see Mr Idra. ♥ <3
EG fan what can you expect hu?
I secretly wish that this happens again so that I can see Jinro in code S. Don't tell anyone.... xD
Haha thx, but I would turn down the seed, again... I really dont want to go back there without earning it -_-;; I would never feel good about myself.
It's different from IdrA and Sen who you can at least look at some recent results and go, yeah, they did pretty good - for me it would be a joke to accept (not that it's actually going to happen, just saying in theory).
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I thought Nani's spot was from MLG. What does Sen have anything to do with MLG? Shouldn't his spot go to the runner up from MLG? Did GOMTV and MLG have a break up or something?!?! The conspiracy CONTINUES...
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Much more interested in StarTale's reaction now that I've heard GOM's reaction. Quantic gaming probably won't do anything, publicly.
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I'm surprise that there haven't been any temp/perma bans yet for a lot of the posts in here.
As far as comparing this to the NFL/NBA/any other sport, there's a risk of injury for players and that's a reason why some team's put in their backups or if they're doing terribly they want to evaluate their players for the future.
Naniwa essentially threw a game and is very unprofessional. If any other player threw a game they'd get a punishment as well.
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On December 14 2011 19:46 Coca Cola Classic wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:45 Tachion wrote:On December 14 2011 19:43 hahaimhenry wrote:On December 14 2011 19:39 hjop wrote:On December 14 2011 19:04 billz wrote:
If this was any other sport then lawyers would be consulted right now about lodging legal proceedings against Gom. Pretty scandalous behaviour from them - can you really imagine Manchester United getting banned from a tournament for fielding a weakened team in a game that doesn't matter? Great comparison, except a 6 probe rush has a ZERO % chance of winning at all, where as a WEAKENED Manchester United team always has a chance of winning AND they are giving lesser experienced players an opportunity to get some experience. I think you'd be better off comparing it to Manchester United not showing up at all, because then they'd have a ZERO % chance of winning. Such an out of place comparison. Naniwa could have just proxy 2 gated, cannon rushed or 4 gated. Actually, probe rush beats someone going 6 pool. no it doesn't lol. all you do is run your drones around till your pool finishes i'm glad you responded to this. unbelievable.
I'm glad you responded too. I'm sure you agree?
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On December 14 2011 19:47 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:41 Yami_no_cosmos wrote:
I do not have a personal grudge against NaNiwa cause when I've meet him he was actually quite a sweet guy.
But I most say that I'm super exited to see Mr Idra. ♥ <3
EG fan what can you expect hu?
I secretly wish that this happens again so that I can see Jinro in code S. Don't tell anyone.... xD Haha thx, but I would turn down the seed, again... I really dont want to go back there without earning it -_-;; I would never feel good about myself.
This, seriously. Am I the only person who sees the hypocrisy with replacing a foreigner with a popular foreigner after the ban?
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On December 14 2011 19:43 Monsen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:40 StatorFlux wrote:On December 14 2011 19:32 vjee32 wrote:
All you babies crying that punishment is too harsh and nani did nothing AGAINST THE RULES.
Name any other professional league in any sport where trying to lose as fast as possible is not punishable? Not going to argue, just provide and example that it could be otherwise - As far as I know: Professional cycling! You have people slow pedaling, you have people riding only 3 days out of a week long race and then calling it quits just for the sake of training, you have agreements in the peloton where you don't attack and teams helping each other with favours. You have show races where the riders are paid and the winner's are agreed upon beforehand. And pretty anything goes, except buying real races (latest controversy Vino vs Kolobnev) and doing PED (although it is probably prevalent amongst some). And it is accepted because everyone is doing it. Naniwa should've known better though. Yeah, and professional cycling has been doing so well as an spectator sport for the last dozen years. Well done them.
400.000 people watched the world championship live in copenhagen this summer 
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On December 14 2011 19:45 zestzorb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:43 Weemoed wrote:On December 14 2011 19:42 zestzorb wrote:On December 14 2011 18:38 CryingPoo wrote:
Mr.Chae has announced that they made Code S seeds for a professional minded pro-gamer not for an amateur prize money hunter.
Very well put by Mr. Chae So, Stephano should not be in Code S as well then? He only cares about money (and I love him). Stephano didn't do something like Naniwa did. If he did that, yes he shouldn't be in code S. Actually someone posted in one of the other threads that Stephano did throw games in the group stages of DH(?) against Cloud when he couldn't make the group. Those games actually meant something as well. He did a 6pool two times in a row or something?
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On December 14 2011 19:45 Kiarip wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:44 epicdemic wrote:On December 14 2011 19:39 hjop wrote:On December 14 2011 19:04 billz wrote:
If this was any other sport then lawyers would be consulted right now about lodging legal proceedings against Gom. Pretty scandalous behaviour from them - can you really imagine Manchester United getting banned from a tournament for fielding a weakened team in a game that doesn't matter? Great comparison, except a 6 probe rush has a ZERO % chance of winning at all, where as a WEAKENED Manchester United team always has a chance of winning AND they are giving lesser experienced players an opportunity to get some experience. I think you'd be better off comparing it to Manchester United not showing up at all, because then they'd have a ZERO % chance of winning. Such an out of place comparison. Naniwa could have just proxy 2 gated, cannon rushed or 4 gated. GOMTV isn't criticizing the build order, but the attitude of Naniwa. He didn't take the match seriously. So when Manchester United doesn't take a match seriously by fielding their worst players, that's a good comparison And what's the punishment for manchester united when they do that? because in the NBA there's no punishment but I don't follow euro soccer Show nested quote +Great Decision by GOM. We expect sportsmanship like conduct in every sport. If SC2 is to be considered an esport then hell sportsmanship being required is a no brainer.
Every sport has penalties against unsportsmanlike conduct. Technical fouls in the NBA, yellow cards in football for diving, etc., There is no defense for Naniwa. It was unsportsmanlike. Looks like Naniwa needs to learn a few things about how to conduct himself when he is representing the foreigner community, Quantic, Startale, and his own country. except in the NBA meaningless games are thrown all the time, and no one gets suspensions or technicals for them.
The difference is that in the NBA it is understood that you are giving your up and coming players a chance to gain experience and maybe even gain exposure for a good performance. Naniwa didn't even take advantage of the chance to play against an amazing zerg in a televised match. If an NBA team just showed up and stood on the court while the other team played by themselves, then you would have an analogous situation to what Naniwa did. And trust me if a team did that they would get their asses fined into oblivion.
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I have payed for every single season of gom since season 1 and was planning to buy the season ticket for the entire upcoming year. no chance i will now. go to h**l gom
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On December 14 2011 19:47 AnTiX wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:33 chenchen wrote:On December 14 2011 19:29 AnTiX wrote:On December 14 2011 19:05 Grettin wrote:On December 14 2011 18:51 AnTiX wrote:
Bye GSL.
Naniwa is a fucking competitor not a puppet show. You fucking don't get it. Fucking amateurish Kor. I assume you mean Korea? Yup, thats why Korea is miles ahead compared to everyone else when it comes to E-sports. "Amateurish" is not the best word to describe Korea and E-sports. And Naniwa's mind set is miles ahead compared to many progamers. He is not here for the money at all. He stays in Korea not because he likes it, not because his life is better there. No, he plays there to be the best. He is one of the most dedidacted player out there. And still GOM stated, he is an amateur prize hunter... If Naniwa were really in Korea because he's there to be the best, then he has to step up and play the best even if it has no financial consequences for him. Having the chance to play Nestea in front of the whole world is actually a rare opportunity for him, and he decided to waste it. So much for good mindset. You are not too much in sport, are you ? Naniwa was very upset about the 3 games before. And he had to play another game for NOTHING. OH yeah like he said, he could have 4 gate failed and everyone would be happy. But no, he was very honest about how much he cares about this game. Nestea or not Nestea is not the point there. For me, it didn't hurt the show at all. I was very satisfied with his honesty.
Dude´, couldnt have phrased it better: Naniwa was 100%-totally-fucking HONEST about he feels. But yea lets beat him up for his honesty!! Lets set us back into the early 1900 years where honesty got punished fucking hard no matter where and what. You shall only say what we allow you to say, you shall only act how we tell you to act. GoGoGOM be more dictatorial.
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I support Mr.Chae on this. Naniwa behaved like a screaming child running into the cabin after a self-inflicted loss and not showing any respect or dignity. He really needs some psychological/friends/team assistants to cope with his nerve problems to become a real pro-gamer.
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On December 14 2011 19:48 Clearout wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:45 zestzorb wrote:On December 14 2011 19:43 Weemoed wrote:On December 14 2011 19:42 zestzorb wrote:On December 14 2011 18:38 CryingPoo wrote:
Mr.Chae has announced that they made Code S seeds for a professional minded pro-gamer not for an amateur prize money hunter.
Very well put by Mr. Chae So, Stephano should not be in Code S as well then? He only cares about money (and I love him). Stephano didn't do something like Naniwa did. If he did that, yes he shouldn't be in code S. Actually someone posted in one of the other threads that Stephano did throw games in the group stages of DH(?) against Cloud when he couldn't make the group. Those games actually meant something as well. He did a 6pool two times in a row or something? Don't quote me on this
6 pools win you games. 7 probe rushes don't.
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