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On November 15 2011 15:37 lookmanohandzz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 15:31 intrigue wrote:
donated~
oh man if this is a scam within a scam it'd be so inception It sorta of is. Amanda got her money, it has not been very clearly stated, op not updated, the thread title has not been updated and people like yourself are still donating. Amanda does not state in every post her thanks. I know if I got helped out of a 12K jam I would be spamming thank you post.
She was supposed to get her money from Gus. She never got any.
Her Travel Agency still owes around $23K in debt in travel services, $7K has been graciously given from IGN to pay up these debts but still its not enough. Also, TheGunrun paid out of his pocket too, and now Amanda still needs around $12,000 so that she doesn't get into jail and have her travel agency screwed over.
Please read the thread before you make stupid posts, thx.
Also, i find it quite odd that there are some cold hearted bitches who tell everybody to just look this situation over and not care about it because it doesn't matter. IT DOES MATTER TO THE WHOLE FUCKING SEA SC2 SCENE! Its not just one person who was screwed over, team AZK was screwed over, the PPSL were screwed over, and now Gus ran away with $12k in his pocket and right now is probably on a ticket to Tahiti, and what many generous donors and watchers of the IPL stream are trying to repair the damage right now. If you don't think this matters, then just chip in a dollar anyways because right now every buck counts.
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On November 15 2011 15:39 GhoSt[shield] wrote:
Just donated 1 second ago. Amanda got really screwed over and I felt it was a very worthy cause to keep her out of serious legal trouble.
proof, lol.
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Am very curious to see how much was made from this event...
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On November 15 2011 15:40 LanTAs wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 15:37 lookmanohandzz wrote:On November 15 2011 15:31 intrigue wrote:
donated~
oh man if this is a scam within a scam it'd be so inception It sorta of is. Amanda got her money, it has not been very clearly stated, op not updated, the thread title has not been updated and people like yourself are still donating. Amanda does not state in every post her thanks. I know if I got helped out of a 12K jam I would be spamming thank you post. She was supposed to get her money from Gus. She never got any. Her Travel Agency still owes around $23K in debt in travel services, $7K has been graciously given from IGN to pay up these debts but still its not enough. Also, TheGunrun paid out of his pocket too, and now Amanda still needs around $12,000 so that she doesn't get into jail and have her travel agency screwed over. Please read the thread before you make stupid posts, thx.
Amanda stated that she got the money she needed.
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On November 15 2011 15:34 DrakeFZX3 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 15:24 kKagari wrote:On November 15 2011 15:14 VirgilSC2 wrote:On November 15 2011 15:07 kKagari wrote:
The Amanda situation is not sad.
The fact that because of the PPSL fiasco, the esports community is asked to donate a large sum of money to spot ONE PERSON out of trouble is sad, when compared to the people suffering in the UNHCR advertisement we have on TL, and how many thousands we can be saving with the same amount of money.
Amanda should be helped, yes. But perhaps monetary aid should go somewhere else if you are in a donating mood. You're basically saying: "Your friend losing his leg in a car accident isn't sad, you shouldn't try to help him, I know this girl who was a professional dancer that got bilateral gangrene and didn't have health insurance." No, I'm not. I simply find it ironic that we stare at the UNHCR ad everyday surfing TL.net, possibly taking no action in any of its pleas, yet this Amanda situation appears, gaining the support of thousands, and using money that could potentially save a whole lot more people. Take a step back and look at it. You hold in your hand the power to save one person you have some inkling of a relationship to, or thousands of others you don't know. I would save the one person myself, but thats probably because I'm a cold hearted bitch, however, that is exactly what makes the situation sad. By this logic, anything we've ever purchased that didn't go to necessitate our survival, should have gone to helping someone in need. Look in your very room. What have you purchased and "donated" your money to, that should've went to a charitable organization instead. Acting like someone sitting on a high horse, because a community is helping out a person in one problem and not another is simply downright terrible.
Oh no, I very well agree that I am selfish. I don't see this whole high horse thing you mentioned however; I simply spoke of money used for donation in terms of effectivness; ability to save lives. I did discern in my original post that being charitable probably requires a particular frame of mind (being in a 'donating mood') and that if I chose to be charitable, I would use the money more effectively elsewhere.
Sorry if I wronged you in anyway, clearly how you spend your money is up to you, I am merely stating my opinion, that it is not effective to be charitable to this mattter (Amanda), and that it is sad that ads that appear just as frequently as this issue (UNHCR) is overlooked.
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On November 15 2011 15:43 lookmanohandzz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 15:40 LanTAs wrote:On November 15 2011 15:37 lookmanohandzz wrote:On November 15 2011 15:31 intrigue wrote:
donated~
oh man if this is a scam within a scam it'd be so inception It sorta of is. Amanda got her money, it has not been very clearly stated, op not updated, the thread title has not been updated and people like yourself are still donating. Amanda does not state in every post her thanks. I know if I got helped out of a 12K jam I would be spamming thank you post. She was supposed to get her money from Gus. She never got any. Her Travel Agency still owes around $23K in debt in travel services, $7K has been graciously given from IGN to pay up these debts but still its not enough. Also, TheGunrun paid out of his pocket too, and now Amanda still needs around $12,000 so that she doesn't get into jail and have her travel agency screwed over. Please read the thread before you make stupid posts, thx. Amanda stated that she got the money she needed.
The extra money is going to paying off the rest of the PPSL and the rest of the debt that they owe and also the replacements for all the gear that was lost/stolen.
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On November 15 2011 12:56 midgettoes wrote:
The 'contract' was with Gus, however, from what has been said this was a verbal contract. Not only would this be expensive to try and pursue, but there is a good chance she wouldn't be able to pursue it. Effectively the tickets were given in advance, ie before she recieved payment - another misjudgement of Gus' character.
I don't know why she would front the tickets up front for Gus without payment in advance. No travel agency would ever front tickets for a client without requiring full payment first.
Amanda's travel agency must be the first travel agency to front tickets for a client without requiring full payment of those tickets.
Imagine going to Expedia, buying $12K worth of tickets, and promising Expedia you will pay them later? Yeah, I'm sure Expedia would front the tickets for you!
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On November 15 2011 15:37 kKagari wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 15:28 Takkara wrote:On November 15 2011 15:24 kKagari wrote:On November 15 2011 15:14 VirgilSC2 wrote:On November 15 2011 15:07 kKagari wrote:
The Amanda situation is not sad.
The fact that because of the PPSL fiasco, the esports community is asked to donate a large sum of money to spot ONE PERSON out of trouble is sad, when compared to the people suffering in the UNHCR advertisement we have on TL, and how many thousands we can be saving with the same amount of money.
Amanda should be helped, yes. But perhaps monetary aid should go somewhere else if you are in a donating mood. You're basically saying: "Your friend losing his leg in a car accident isn't sad, you shouldn't try to help him, I know this girl who was a professional dancer that got bilateral gangrene and didn't have health insurance." No, I'm not. I simply find it ironic that we stare at the UNHCR ad everyday surfing TL.net, possibly taking no action in any of its pleas, yet this Amanda situation appears, gaining the support of thousands, and using money that could potentially save a whole lot more people. Take a step back and look at it. You hold in your hand the power to save one person you have some inkling of a relationship to, or thousands of others you don't know. I would save the one person myself, but thats probably because I'm a cold hearted bitch, however, that is exactly what makes the situation sad. But it makes it no more of a sad situation than exists everytime you purchase anything that you do not need to survive. You're constantly making decisions about how to spend disposable income. All of that money could go to worthwhile charities, instead of to TV, internet, restaurants, movies, SC2, online streams, or other non-essential activities. Saying that donating to this drive makes the situation sad is implying that the money would have gone to another charity instead. It's far more likely that this money would have gone to a selfish endeavor and that the money any of us would have given to other charities will not be affected by the fact that we helped out in this instance. Money given to charities is not necessarily zero-sum. In fact, there's likely evidence out there that the good feelings garnered by helping out Amanda would lead to more charitable giving overall rather than less. Fair enough. I guess we happen to stand on different sides of the fence. Having brought about this issue I will donate money to UNHCR >.>
Don't you find it funny that you mentioned you stare at the UNHCR ad everyday surfing TL, but it was only until this very thread and situation popped up that you decided to get gung ho and self-righteous and then finally decide to donate to UNHCR.
If you truly believed what you said, you would've donated to that cause ages ago.
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On November 15 2011 15:24 kKagari wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 15:14 VirgilSC2 wrote:On November 15 2011 15:07 kKagari wrote:
The Amanda situation is not sad.
The fact that because of the PPSL fiasco, the esports community is asked to donate a large sum of money to spot ONE PERSON out of trouble is sad, when compared to the people suffering in the UNHCR advertisement we have on TL, and how many thousands we can be saving with the same amount of money.
Amanda should be helped, yes. But perhaps monetary aid should go somewhere else if you are in a donating mood. You're basically saying: "Your friend losing his leg in a car accident isn't sad, you shouldn't try to help him, I know this girl who was a professional dancer that got bilateral gangrene and didn't have health insurance." No, I'm not. I simply find it ironic that we stare at the UNHCR ad everyday surfing TL.net, possibly taking no action in any of its pleas, yet this Amanda situation appears, gaining the support of thousands, and using money that could potentially save a whole lot more people. Take a step back and look at it. You hold in your hand the power to save one person you have some inkling of a relationship to, or thousands of others you don't know. I would save the one person myself, but thats probably because I'm a cold hearted bitch, however, that is exactly what makes the situation sad.
So someone who donates to a charity is a cold hearted bitch as long as that charity wasn't the most "noble" one out there. Really?
The terms "Cold-hearted" and "Bitch" seem to have lost their meaning. Then again when every other girl on television is called a bitch, I can see why that term is treated lightly. Not sure how this happened with cold-hearted though. Global warming?
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Did the stream go down? I swear they just said there is one more MKP game...
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Expedia does not work like a travel agency. Travel agencies have like their own ticket stocks. Expedia is done online so instant payment must be given.
Basically you can issue tickets but work out a payment deadline. Which is what I did. He did meet the first agreement. Then well so far I don't know. He's been pretty mum on the event. Point being you CAN issue tickets without payment right away.
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Why is the stream down? They said there would be one more set and it was the "best one yet".
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 15 2011 15:43 kKagari wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 15:34 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On November 15 2011 15:24 kKagari wrote:On November 15 2011 15:14 VirgilSC2 wrote:On November 15 2011 15:07 kKagari wrote:
The Amanda situation is not sad.
The fact that because of the PPSL fiasco, the esports community is asked to donate a large sum of money to spot ONE PERSON out of trouble is sad, when compared to the people suffering in the UNHCR advertisement we have on TL, and how many thousands we can be saving with the same amount of money.
Amanda should be helped, yes. But perhaps monetary aid should go somewhere else if you are in a donating mood. You're basically saying: "Your friend losing his leg in a car accident isn't sad, you shouldn't try to help him, I know this girl who was a professional dancer that got bilateral gangrene and didn't have health insurance." No, I'm not. I simply find it ironic that we stare at the UNHCR ad everyday surfing TL.net, possibly taking no action in any of its pleas, yet this Amanda situation appears, gaining the support of thousands, and using money that could potentially save a whole lot more people. Take a step back and look at it. You hold in your hand the power to save one person you have some inkling of a relationship to, or thousands of others you don't know. I would save the one person myself, but thats probably because I'm a cold hearted bitch, however, that is exactly what makes the situation sad. By this logic, anything we've ever purchased that didn't go to necessitate our survival, should have gone to helping someone in need. Look in your very room. What have you purchased and "donated" your money to, that should've went to a charitable organization instead. Acting like someone sitting on a high horse, because a community is helping out a person in one problem and not another is simply downright terrible. Oh no, I very well agree that I am selfish. I don't see this whole high horse thing you mentioned however; I simply spoke of money used for donation in terms of effectivness; ability to save lives. I did discern in my original post that being charitable probably requires a particular frame of mind (being in a 'donating mood') and that if I chose to be charitable, I would use the money more effectively elsewhere. Sorry if I wronged you in anyway, clearly how you spend your money is up to you, I am merely stating my opinion, that it is not effective to be charitable to this mattter (Amanda), and that it is sad that ads that appear just as frequently as this issue (UNHCR) is overlooked.
I understand your point, but when you tell people where they should put their money is kind of pushing it. Understandable the UNHCR does help others in need, heck, a lot of people. But you can not and should not push people/dictate to them that they should put it elsewhere. It is their money and their decision.
Did I donate to the Amanda fund, no I didn't. Did I watch the stream, yes. Do I donate to the UNHCR, no I don't.
Again, its a matter of choice and what people decide to do, even on a spur of the moment instances. So, if you want people to donate to UNHCR, then make a separate thread for it. I don't see anything wrong with that. =)
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On November 15 2011 15:44 LanTAs wrote:
The extra money is going to paying off the rest of the PPSL and the rest of the debt that they owe and also the replacements for all the gear that was lost/stolen.
yet it has not been made clear in the thread title or op that Amanda's portion has been 'cleared' and people are donating thinking they are helping Amanda is the only point I was making. thx.
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I may sound stupid but who is this Gus? From various threads sounds like he scammed some people but who is he exactly?
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Okay, so.
The $5000 has been collected, Amanda will not be in jail.
I really feel like you guys should close the donations now, at this point people are simply giving paychecks to the " talent " of the event. Which is not what I would consider the Team Liquid community should be giving their money for. I mean I love Tasteosis but it is not up to me to make sure they get paid for the job they did if they got screwed over.
At the very least I think you should update the OP saying that the initial $5000 has been raised. So people do not have to go through the whole thread to find that information.
Edit: Mod edit at the top is much appreciated.
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Anyway THANKS AGAIN  TO EVERYONE
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stated in the beginning of the thread where well.. the money would go to. well there's no official counter so ill have to wait for IGN myself. promise to keep everyone posted though ^^
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Was watching the Charity Stream in between laddering and I happened to run into one of the more notorious members of the AZK clan. I had always considered that maybe not all members of AZK were bad apples. But it clearly wasn't the case.
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/2893/azk.jpg) Uploaded with ImageShack.us
I just got ticked by the general lack of concern for a fellow human being this douche shows after the trouble this clan has caused to a generally peaceful SEA community.
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On November 15 2011 15:49 amanduh wrote:
Expedia does not work like a travel agency. Travel agencies have like their own ticket stocks. Expedia is done online so instant payment must be given.
Basically you can issue tickets but work out a payment deadline. Which is what I did. He did meet the first agreement. Then well so far I don't know. He's been pretty mum on the event. Point being you CAN issue tickets without payment right away.
Just a question Amanda if you don't mind. Don't agencies at least require full payment prior to actual use of the ticket? Or at least a substantial percentage of 50% or more before the ticket is actually used?
I'm curious because of all the agencies we've used here in the Phil (Be it a family or just a personal trip), we pay reservation/downpayment for the ticket and that's okay. But before we actually use it, shouldn't the terms be at a substantial amount is paid prior to actually using the ticket?
So, on my previous question, are you in part or in whole an owner of the travel agency? Or simply an employee?
Thanks.
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