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On November 14 2011 04:48 garlicface wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2011 04:40 Saechiis wrote:
Getting kind of tired of this Gus this Gus that bullshit every thread. The community's bandwagon rage is starting to remind me of soccer hooligans picking fights after every match and pretending it's for the good of their team/ sport. Obviously the guy has made big mistakes, but no need to pretend a guy who's involved enough with the community to organise a tournament is some sort of antichrist.
There's a difference between fans and anti-fans. Fans are supportive, anti-fans just flame and hate everything they don't like. So maybe if you're a fan of eSports and you weren't actually shadowing Gus in the Philippines for the last month or so, you should wait until you have more information than hearsay to make a judgement. Maybe accept that people make mistakes and that they'll face the consequences without needing you to tell him you hate him like he smothered a box full of kittens in front of your eyes. Stop pretending hating Gus makes you a supporter of eSports, it just makes you a person who hates people that make mistakes. We really shouldn't have to wait more than 48 hours for the "right" information. Regardless, who are you to tell people how to support the game they love? Let people say and think what they want to think.
I'm saying hating random people isn't supporting the game you love, it's hating random people. And people thinking for themselves, or rather the lack thereof, is the problem. This irrational hurting eSports hivemind results in thousands of clueless people messaging a guy saying they hate him because they kinda figured he did something bad because the people in that TL thread seemed really angry too, so he must be the worst person to ever walk the face of the earth, riiight?
On November 14 2011 05:03 SandwichApoc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2011 04:40 Saechiis wrote:
Getting kind of tired of this Gus this Gus that bullshit every thread. The community's bandwagon rage is starting to remind me of soccer hooligans picking fights after every match and pretending it's for the good of their team/ sport. Obviously the guy has made big mistakes, but no need to pretend a guy who's involved enough with the community to organise a tournament is some sort of antichrist.
There's a difference between fans and anti-fans. Fans are supportive, anti-fans just flame and hate everything they don't like. So maybe if you're a fan of eSports and you weren't actually shadowing Gus in the Philippines for the last month or so, you should wait until you have more information than hearsay to make a judgement. Maybe accept that people make mistakes and that they'll face the consequences without needing you to tell him you hate him like he smothered a box full of kittens in front of your eyes. Stop pretending hating Gus makes you a supporter of eSports, it just makes you a person who hates people that make mistakes. There are some pretty big mistakes on the line here. Lots of money and even the potential for someone to go to jail because of those mistakes. If he is too busy to fully devote himself to organizing a tournament properly, he should not have done so to begin with.
Yeah, but you don't really know do you? On one hand Gus might have fled to Switzerland with the money he ripped from ESPORTS' dead hands to avoid a life sentence in Azkaban. Or, you know, maybe he didn't.
I agree with your second statement, and I'm guessing Gus does as well. That's how making mistakes works, do something dumb, damn, shouldn't that that dumb thing anymore, profit. No need to make a guy's life miserable pretending it's for the greater good.
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On November 14 2011 00:53 AZKziek wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2011 20:00 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
My bad this was posted before it all happened. I hope Lof runs. Basing the entire AZK Team off of an event that has no solid proof that there was any fraudulent behavior. Your support is truly breathtaking.
Your clan leader falling off the planet and leaving people who helped of their own volition to foot the several thousand dollar hotel bill, and completely ending a hon tournament with cash rewards and prizes not accounted for with no notification of cancellation are two pretty good cases of fraudulent behavior. don't be upset at us. Gus is a scammer and ruined your whole team's name. deal with him or deal with it
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On November 14 2011 05:03 Saechiis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2011 04:48 garlicface wrote:On November 14 2011 04:40 Saechiis wrote:
Getting kind of tired of this Gus this Gus that bullshit every thread. The community's bandwagon rage is starting to remind me of soccer hooligans picking fights after every match and pretending it's for the good of their team/ sport. Obviously the guy has made big mistakes, but no need to pretend a guy who's involved enough with the community to organise a tournament is some sort of antichrist.
There's a difference between fans and anti-fans. Fans are supportive, anti-fans just flame and hate everything they don't like. So maybe if you're a fan of eSports and you weren't actually shadowing Gus in the Philippines for the last month or so, you should wait until you have more information than hearsay to make a judgement. Maybe accept that people make mistakes and that they'll face the consequences without needing you to tell him you hate him like he smothered a box full of kittens in front of your eyes. Stop pretending hating Gus makes you a supporter of eSports, it just makes you a person who hates people that make mistakes. We really shouldn't have to wait more than 48 hours for the "right" information. Regardless, who are you to tell people how to support the game they love? Let people say and think what they want to think. I'm saying hating random people isn't supporting the game you love, it's hating random people. And people thinking for themselves, or rather the lack thereof, is the problem. This irrational hurting eSports hivemind results in thousands of clueless people messaging a guy saying they hate him because they kinda figured he did something bad because the people in that TL thread seemed really angry too, so he must be the worst person to ever walk the face of the earth, riiight?
Okay, so if he (Gus) wanted to make things clear for everyone, he could have done so within 48 hours of his event ending. Here we are about a week later with the same opinions of him, and the same information, as when the event ended, because he hasn't come forward about anything.
Again, why do you care if the hivemind hates him? You think that is hurting ESPORTS, riiight?
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giving scumbags a free pass just because you wanna act like a fucking hipster and point out people on the internet love to hate in a hive like fashion? riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...
right idea, wrong application mate
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On November 14 2011 05:03 Saechiis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2011 04:48 garlicface wrote:On November 14 2011 04:40 Saechiis wrote:
Getting kind of tired of this Gus this Gus that bullshit every thread. The community's bandwagon rage is starting to remind me of soccer hooligans picking fights after every match and pretending it's for the good of their team/ sport. Obviously the guy has made big mistakes, but no need to pretend a guy who's involved enough with the community to organise a tournament is some sort of antichrist.
There's a difference between fans and anti-fans. Fans are supportive, anti-fans just flame and hate everything they don't like. So maybe if you're a fan of eSports and you weren't actually shadowing Gus in the Philippines for the last month or so, you should wait until you have more information than hearsay to make a judgement. Maybe accept that people make mistakes and that they'll face the consequences without needing you to tell him you hate him like he smothered a box full of kittens in front of your eyes. Stop pretending hating Gus makes you a supporter of eSports, it just makes you a person who hates people that make mistakes. We really shouldn't have to wait more than 48 hours for the "right" information. Regardless, who are you to tell people how to support the game they love? Let people say and think what they want to think. I'm saying hating random people isn't supporting the game you love, it's hating random people. And people thinking for themselves, or rather the lack thereof, is the problem. This irrational hurting eSports hivemind results in thousands of clueless people messaging a guy saying they hate him because they kinda figured he did something bad because the people in that TL thread seemed really angry too, so he must be the worst person to ever walk the face of the earth, riiight?
You're completely snowballing.
His actions did harm eSPORTS, just like the match-fixing scandal in Brood War. This isn't like the NFL, where if an individual has a scandal, it only affects a very small number of people. This particular case not only affected several people directly, it also indirectly affected a portion of the community - in this case, the Philippine eSPORTS scene and the SEA community as a whole.
While I agree the incessant hate is disagreeable, it's understandable. People are passionate about this game. People are passionate about eSPORTS. People are passionate about Starcraft. We all want to see our favorites in tournaments, we all want to see MVP vs Nestea on live television casted by Tastosis in our countries' cable if possible. Something like this tarnishes that.
It's human nature to respond at a different gradient. Think of a crime gone public - like that judge who beat his daughter for using the internet. What was the public reaction? Did it affect any of those people? Was the personal info of the judge posted on Reddit/YouTube and most community sites?
The mass media talks about gaming obsession. They talk about people fainting because they play too long. "Nerds". "Geeks". "Losers". When a news outlet reports about a pro gamer, or the good of eSPORTS, everyone rejoices on Team Liquid. That's fucking passion. So yeah, while I agree that the hate that came out of this was big, it was in no way unwarranted.
On November 14 2011 05:24 Saechiis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2011 05:12 garlicface wrote:On November 14 2011 05:03 Saechiis wrote:On November 14 2011 04:48 garlicface wrote:On November 14 2011 04:40 Saechiis wrote:
Getting kind of tired of this Gus this Gus that bullshit every thread. The community's bandwagon rage is starting to remind me of soccer hooligans picking fights after every match and pretending it's for the good of their team/ sport. Obviously the guy has made big mistakes, but no need to pretend a guy who's involved enough with the community to organise a tournament is some sort of antichrist.
There's a difference between fans and anti-fans. Fans are supportive, anti-fans just flame and hate everything they don't like. So maybe if you're a fan of eSports and you weren't actually shadowing Gus in the Philippines for the last month or so, you should wait until you have more information than hearsay to make a judgement. Maybe accept that people make mistakes and that they'll face the consequences without needing you to tell him you hate him like he smothered a box full of kittens in front of your eyes. Stop pretending hating Gus makes you a supporter of eSports, it just makes you a person who hates people that make mistakes. We really shouldn't have to wait more than 48 hours for the "right" information. Regardless, who are you to tell people how to support the game they love? Let people say and think what they want to think. I'm saying hating random people isn't supporting the game you love, it's hating random people. And people thinking for themselves, or rather the lack thereof, is the problem. This irrational hurting eSports hivemind results in thousands of clueless people messaging a guy saying they hate him because they kinda figured he did something bad because the people in that TL thread seemed really angry too, so he must be the worst person to ever walk the face of the earth, riiight? Okay, so if he (Gus) wanted to make things clear for everyone, he could have done so within 48 hours of his event ending. Here we are about a week later with the same opinions of him, and the same information, as when the event ended, because he hasn't come forward about anything. Again, why do you care if the hivemind hates him? You think that is hurting ESPORTS, riiight? No, I just realize that Gus is an actual person and that he doesn't deserve to get such disproportionate hate.
There's only so many wrong things you can do, so many 'mistakes' you can make. We're way past that at this point. Actions speak louder than words, and neither action nor word were given. No one's asking you to join the 'hivemind of hate', but you really shouldn't tell people how to react.
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hopefully Lof becomes aware of all the drama surrounding AZK and draws the right conclusion.
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On November 14 2011 05:12 garlicface wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2011 05:03 Saechiis wrote:On November 14 2011 04:48 garlicface wrote:On November 14 2011 04:40 Saechiis wrote:
Getting kind of tired of this Gus this Gus that bullshit every thread. The community's bandwagon rage is starting to remind me of soccer hooligans picking fights after every match and pretending it's for the good of their team/ sport. Obviously the guy has made big mistakes, but no need to pretend a guy who's involved enough with the community to organise a tournament is some sort of antichrist.
There's a difference between fans and anti-fans. Fans are supportive, anti-fans just flame and hate everything they don't like. So maybe if you're a fan of eSports and you weren't actually shadowing Gus in the Philippines for the last month or so, you should wait until you have more information than hearsay to make a judgement. Maybe accept that people make mistakes and that they'll face the consequences without needing you to tell him you hate him like he smothered a box full of kittens in front of your eyes. Stop pretending hating Gus makes you a supporter of eSports, it just makes you a person who hates people that make mistakes. We really shouldn't have to wait more than 48 hours for the "right" information. Regardless, who are you to tell people how to support the game they love? Let people say and think what they want to think. I'm saying hating random people isn't supporting the game you love, it's hating random people. And people thinking for themselves, or rather the lack thereof, is the problem. This irrational hurting eSports hivemind results in thousands of clueless people messaging a guy saying they hate him because they kinda figured he did something bad because the people in that TL thread seemed really angry too, so he must be the worst person to ever walk the face of the earth, riiight? Okay, so if he (Gus) wanted to make things clear for everyone, he could have done so within 48 hours of his event ending. Here we are about a week later with the same opinions of him, and the same information, as when the event ended, because he hasn't come forward about anything. Again, why do you care if the hivemind hates him? You think that is hurting ESPORTS, riiight?
No, I just realize that Gus is an actual person and that he doesn't deserve to get such disproportionate hate.
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On November 14 2011 05:24 Saechiis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2011 05:12 garlicface wrote:On November 14 2011 05:03 Saechiis wrote:On November 14 2011 04:48 garlicface wrote:On November 14 2011 04:40 Saechiis wrote:
Getting kind of tired of this Gus this Gus that bullshit every thread. The community's bandwagon rage is starting to remind me of soccer hooligans picking fights after every match and pretending it's for the good of their team/ sport. Obviously the guy has made big mistakes, but no need to pretend a guy who's involved enough with the community to organise a tournament is some sort of antichrist.
There's a difference between fans and anti-fans. Fans are supportive, anti-fans just flame and hate everything they don't like. So maybe if you're a fan of eSports and you weren't actually shadowing Gus in the Philippines for the last month or so, you should wait until you have more information than hearsay to make a judgement. Maybe accept that people make mistakes and that they'll face the consequences without needing you to tell him you hate him like he smothered a box full of kittens in front of your eyes. Stop pretending hating Gus makes you a supporter of eSports, it just makes you a person who hates people that make mistakes. We really shouldn't have to wait more than 48 hours for the "right" information. Regardless, who are you to tell people how to support the game they love? Let people say and think what they want to think. I'm saying hating random people isn't supporting the game you love, it's hating random people. And people thinking for themselves, or rather the lack thereof, is the problem. This irrational hurting eSports hivemind results in thousands of clueless people messaging a guy saying they hate him because they kinda figured he did something bad because the people in that TL thread seemed really angry too, so he must be the worst person to ever walk the face of the earth, riiight? Okay, so if he (Gus) wanted to make things clear for everyone, he could have done so within 48 hours of his event ending. Here we are about a week later with the same opinions of him, and the same information, as when the event ended, because he hasn't come forward about anything. Again, why do you care if the hivemind hates him? You think that is hurting ESPORTS, riiight? No, I just realize that Gus is an actual person and that he doesn't deserve to get such disproportionate hate.
Disproportionate? Have you been closely following this situation? Because it doesn't sound like you have.
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On November 14 2011 04:40 Saechiis wrote:
Getting kind of tired of this Gus this Gus that bullshit every thread. The community's bandwagon rage is starting to remind me of soccer hooligans picking fights after every match and pretending it's for the good of their team/ sport. Obviously the guy has made big mistakes, but no need to pretend a guy who's involved enough with the community to organise a tournament is some sort of antichrist.
There's a difference between fans and anti-fans. Fans are supportive, anti-fans just flame and hate everything they don't like. So maybe if you're a fan of eSports and you weren't actually shadowing Gus in the Philippines for the last month or so, you should wait until you have more information than hearsay to make a judgement. Maybe accept that people make mistakes and that they'll face the consequences without needing you to tell him you hate him like he smothered a box full of kittens in front of your eyes. Stop pretending hating Gus makes you a supporter of eSports, it just makes you a person who hates people that make mistakes.
He left multiple people footing a rather substantial bill and one person may be jailed because of that. I'm not sure how cute she is, but that's a little more on the smothering kittens side of things than you might be willing to accept.
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On November 14 2011 05:03 Saechiis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2011 04:48 garlicface wrote:On November 14 2011 04:40 Saechiis wrote:
Getting kind of tired of this Gus this Gus that bullshit every thread. The community's bandwagon rage is starting to remind me of soccer hooligans picking fights after every match and pretending it's for the good of their team/ sport. Obviously the guy has made big mistakes, but no need to pretend a guy who's involved enough with the community to organise a tournament is some sort of antichrist.
There's a difference between fans and anti-fans. Fans are supportive, anti-fans just flame and hate everything they don't like. So maybe if you're a fan of eSports and you weren't actually shadowing Gus in the Philippines for the last month or so, you should wait until you have more information than hearsay to make a judgement. Maybe accept that people make mistakes and that they'll face the consequences without needing you to tell him you hate him like he smothered a box full of kittens in front of your eyes. Stop pretending hating Gus makes you a supporter of eSports, it just makes you a person who hates people that make mistakes. We really shouldn't have to wait more than 48 hours for the "right" information. Regardless, who are you to tell people how to support the game they love? Let people say and think what they want to think. I'm saying hating random people isn't supporting the game you love, it's hating random people. And people thinking for themselves, or rather the lack thereof, is the problem. This irrational hurting eSports hivemind results in thousands of clueless people messaging a guy saying they hate him because they kinda figured he did something bad because the people in that TL thread seemed really angry too, so he must be the worst person to ever walk the face of the earth, riiight? Show nested quote +On November 14 2011 05:03 SandwichApoc wrote:On November 14 2011 04:40 Saechiis wrote:
Getting kind of tired of this Gus this Gus that bullshit every thread. The community's bandwagon rage is starting to remind me of soccer hooligans picking fights after every match and pretending it's for the good of their team/ sport. Obviously the guy has made big mistakes, but no need to pretend a guy who's involved enough with the community to organise a tournament is some sort of antichrist.
There's a difference between fans and anti-fans. Fans are supportive, anti-fans just flame and hate everything they don't like. So maybe if you're a fan of eSports and you weren't actually shadowing Gus in the Philippines for the last month or so, you should wait until you have more information than hearsay to make a judgement. Maybe accept that people make mistakes and that they'll face the consequences without needing you to tell him you hate him like he smothered a box full of kittens in front of your eyes. Stop pretending hating Gus makes you a supporter of eSports, it just makes you a person who hates people that make mistakes. There are some pretty big mistakes on the line here. Lots of money and even the potential for someone to go to jail because of those mistakes. If he is too busy to fully devote himself to organizing a tournament properly, he should not have done so to begin with. Yeah, but you don't really know do you? On one hand Gus might have fled to Switzerland with the money he ripped from ESPORTS' dead hands to avoid a life sentence in Azkaban. Or, you know, maybe he didn't. I agree with your second statement, and I'm guessing Gus does as well. That's how making mistakes works, do something dumb, damn, shouldn't that that dumb thing anymore, profit. No need to make a guy's life miserable pretending it's for the greater good.
You're right, I don't know with absolute certainty whether the allegations are true. However, I would think that if the money wasn't an issue, he could come forward and answer them for the community so that we can put this issue to rest. He is not obviously the first person to make a gaffe but the way he is handling this is making himself an easy target to be a public enemy and thus open to criticism and much more.
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Gus himself is not the best character on the planet, but the team itself is still normal human beings.
Good luck to them, hope they can do well!
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The anger towards Gus is completely justified. Clearly you know him, and I know from experience that when someone you know well does something terrible you don't see them as a terrible person, you see them as a person that made mistakes. But for those of us that don't know him, what he's done is unacceptable. If he just put on a bad tournament, we'd all say "what an idiot, don't let him run a tournament again." But he's stolen from at least one of his sponsors (S2), promised flights and slots in the tournament to 5 people who he never delivered to and never notified that they wouldn't be going, didn't pay or feed the staff at the event as promised, didn't pay Seltzer or Tasteless' hotel bills, didn't pay for the bill he asked Clive to put on his card, didn't pay for the plane tickets resulting in someone possibly going to jail if the tickets aren't paid by the 21st, didn't pay the guy who ran the stream, AND ran a crappy event, which had to be saved by a group of people that weren't even organizers.
I get that you don't see Gus the way the rest of us do, but you should see that we're not an angry hive mind. Gus really screwed up, worse then anyone has in the history of eSports since that event in vegas back in 2003 or 2004. This is lying, cheating, misleading, mismanaging, stealing, and hanging people who trusted him out to dry. This behavior is atrocious, and if it took part in the states he'd already be in jail. You can't possibly defend him. Stop trying.
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Just to clarify, I wasn't referring to Nazgul as a random.
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AZK zanooku/ziek is the worst person ever to try defend AZK, most bm player ever in sea. ziek, if u feel so much for AZK, you should just leave this team and give the community 1 less reason to hate them. my advice for you, quoting from the rock "KNOW YOUR ROLE AND SHUT YOUR MOUTH"
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Just to clarify, no one should be taking AZKziek seriously. He's a little shit from Queensland who annoys people, trolls a bunch and thinks he's actually halfway decent at this game and that he doesn't get to show us because he's banned from all forums that get used to sign people up to events.
I wouldn't bother pissing on his opinions even if they were on fire.
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Funny, so the first hand account of someone who was very much involved in the matter and even footed a fraction of the ginormous bill Gus's event racked up somehow isn't evidence of Gus's douchbaggery?
May not be as bad as slamming a bag of kittens into a wall, but I'd say when someone leaves a person with a $12K debt in the dark the least of things they are is an ass. So yeah why didn't Gus immediately contact them? Even just to reassure them that things will be handled?
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On November 14 2011 05:03 Saechiis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2011 04:48 garlicface wrote:On November 14 2011 04:40 Saechiis wrote:
Getting kind of tired of this Gus this Gus that bullshit every thread. The community's bandwagon rage is starting to remind me of soccer hooligans picking fights after every match and pretending it's for the good of their team/ sport. Obviously the guy has made big mistakes, but no need to pretend a guy who's involved enough with the community to organise a tournament is some sort of antichrist.
There's a difference between fans and anti-fans. Fans are supportive, anti-fans just flame and hate everything they don't like. So maybe if you're a fan of eSports and you weren't actually shadowing Gus in the Philippines for the last month or so, you should wait until you have more information than hearsay to make a judgement. Maybe accept that people make mistakes and that they'll face the consequences without needing you to tell him you hate him like he smothered a box full of kittens in front of your eyes. Stop pretending hating Gus makes you a supporter of eSports, it just makes you a person who hates people that make mistakes. We really shouldn't have to wait more than 48 hours for the "right" information. Regardless, who are you to tell people how to support the game they love? Let people say and think what they want to think. I'm saying hating random people isn't supporting the game you love, it's hating random people. And people thinking for themselves, or rather the lack thereof, is the problem. This irrational hurting eSports hivemind results in thousands of clueless people messaging a guy saying they hate him because they kinda figured he did something bad because the people in that TL thread seemed really angry too, so he must be the worst person to ever walk the face of the earth, riiight? Show nested quote +On November 14 2011 05:03 SandwichApoc wrote:On November 14 2011 04:40 Saechiis wrote:
Getting kind of tired of this Gus this Gus that bullshit every thread. The community's bandwagon rage is starting to remind me of soccer hooligans picking fights after every match and pretending it's for the good of their team/ sport. Obviously the guy has made big mistakes, but no need to pretend a guy who's involved enough with the community to organise a tournament is some sort of antichrist.
There's a difference between fans and anti-fans. Fans are supportive, anti-fans just flame and hate everything they don't like. So maybe if you're a fan of eSports and you weren't actually shadowing Gus in the Philippines for the last month or so, you should wait until you have more information than hearsay to make a judgement. Maybe accept that people make mistakes and that they'll face the consequences without needing you to tell him you hate him like he smothered a box full of kittens in front of your eyes. Stop pretending hating Gus makes you a supporter of eSports, it just makes you a person who hates people that make mistakes. There are some pretty big mistakes on the line here. Lots of money and even the potential for someone to go to jail because of those mistakes. If he is too busy to fully devote himself to organizing a tournament properly, he should not have done so to begin with. Yeah, but you don't really know do you? On one hand Gus might have fled to Switzerland with the money he ripped from ESPORTS' dead hands to avoid a life sentence in Azkaban. Or, you know, maybe he didn't. I agree with your second statement, and I'm guessing Gus does as well. That's how making mistakes works, do something dumb, damn, shouldn't that that dumb thing anymore, profit. No need to make a guy's life miserable pretending it's for the greater good.
Terrible opinion man. God awful attitude.
There is no way to be 100% sure about anything in this world. Do you expect people to just sit on their hands and wait for perfect conformation? Thats a ridiculous notion. People get information from multiple sources about this scandal and the main perpetrators are no where to be found for a response to the whole ordeal. This means that its far more believable that all of this outcry is actually legit. But youre talking bullshit like "Yeah, but you dont really know do you?" If everyone thought the way you do nothing would ever get done. Getting mad and demanding answers that we deserve is a much better solution, seeing as AZK doesnt seem to be in any hurry to clear up the situation.
Youre trying to act like the "reasonable grown up" around here but youre just coming off as a whiny pacifist at best or an under-cover AZK fanboy at worst. These aren't anti-fans who are just hating on Gus. These are people whove heard news from multiple people directly affected by Gus's shady behavior. These people youre condescendingly lecturing are just angry that there has not been any reasonable explanation regarding any of the key issues. These "mistakes" youre referring to have such significant potential consequences, and yet you still demand that people sugarcoat their words? Unbelievable.
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On November 14 2011 05:24 Saechiis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2011 05:12 garlicface wrote:On November 14 2011 05:03 Saechiis wrote:On November 14 2011 04:48 garlicface wrote:On November 14 2011 04:40 Saechiis wrote:
Getting kind of tired of this Gus this Gus that bullshit every thread. The community's bandwagon rage is starting to remind me of soccer hooligans picking fights after every match and pretending it's for the good of their team/ sport. Obviously the guy has made big mistakes, but no need to pretend a guy who's involved enough with the community to organise a tournament is some sort of antichrist.
There's a difference between fans and anti-fans. Fans are supportive, anti-fans just flame and hate everything they don't like. So maybe if you're a fan of eSports and you weren't actually shadowing Gus in the Philippines for the last month or so, you should wait until you have more information than hearsay to make a judgement. Maybe accept that people make mistakes and that they'll face the consequences without needing you to tell him you hate him like he smothered a box full of kittens in front of your eyes. Stop pretending hating Gus makes you a supporter of eSports, it just makes you a person who hates people that make mistakes. We really shouldn't have to wait more than 48 hours for the "right" information. Regardless, who are you to tell people how to support the game they love? Let people say and think what they want to think. I'm saying hating random people isn't supporting the game you love, it's hating random people. And people thinking for themselves, or rather the lack thereof, is the problem. This irrational hurting eSports hivemind results in thousands of clueless people messaging a guy saying they hate him because they kinda figured he did something bad because the people in that TL thread seemed really angry too, so he must be the worst person to ever walk the face of the earth, riiight? Okay, so if he (Gus) wanted to make things clear for everyone, he could have done so within 48 hours of his event ending. Here we are about a week later with the same opinions of him, and the same information, as when the event ended, because he hasn't come forward about anything. Again, why do you care if the hivemind hates him? You think that is hurting ESPORTS, riiight? No, I just realize that Gus is an actual person and that he doesn't deserve to get such disproportionate hate.
The people he swindled, the person who might go to jail...those guys are actual people too. They sure as fuck dont deserve the shit they got. "Actual people" is not an argument to calm people down here. The person who stole my friends car last week is an "actual person" too. Should we just be quiet and pray to the Almighty that maybe hell return the car? God forbid we actually get mad about the issue. Oh wait, we dont actually know 100% that my friend's car was actually stolen, maybe she just parked it somewhere, walked 5 miles to a bar, drank herself into a drunken stupor and then forgot about the whole thing and claimed the car to be stolen. In that case, we shouldnt even do anything because we dont even know for sure what even happened!
Oh and dont even bring up bullshit about esports or whatnot. I like esports, but thats not my gripe here. My problem is the idea of innocent, well-meaning people suffering because of the greedy actions of one douchebag. If he clears that all up, Im sure there will be kisses and hugs and apologies all around. But its been a long time without any good explanation, not even a denial or repudiation of the accusations. People are completely justified in their anger at Gus.
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On November 14 2011 12:25 iaguz wrote:
Just to clarify, no one should be taking AZKziek seriously. He's a little shit from Queensland who annoys people, trolls a bunch and thinks he's actually halfway decent at this game and that he doesn't get to show us because he's banned from all forums that get used to sign people up to events.
I wouldn't bother pissing on his opinions even if they were on fire.
The video of him bitching out when KJH confronts him is pure gold 
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What a big mistake by Lof. As long as AZK is run by gus, expect more shady behavior. Poor soulds.. hope they change their minds about AZK.
Imo, I will be boycotting anything to do with AZK and gus. Unless some radical management changes aka kicking gus out are made, I dont think AZK deserve any cred.
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