In a move adding up to an already stacked series of developments for our team, Team AZK and the Korean gaming clan "Legend Of" (Lof) has agreed to a partnership.
There have been partnerships between proteams before, but this marks one of the few times that a sponsored progaming team has come to an arrangement with a clan. This mutual partnership seeks benefit for both parties, with Team AZK learning what they can from the Koreans' famed prowess in gaming and both parties having a clearer channel of communication to and fro between the team and the Korean community.
Lof has existed for about a decade, starting off as a WarCraft III clan. It was founded by players such as Fov, Storm, Lyn, Way, Violet, and many others. This move for cooperation between the two organizations is promised to be a fruitful one, further strengthening ties between Filipino and Korean gaming communities.
Team AZK is glad to cooperate with Lof as they move on forward towards expansion of their efforts in making eSports bigger in the Philippines and the rest of Southeast Asia.
On November 13 2011 19:56 midgettoes wrote: Hey wasn't this article posted November 6th. Isn't that before these PPSL dramas came to surface?
I know team AZK has had its reputation destroyed now but to Lof's credit, this may have been before the big drama came out.
yeah ... about 24 hours before all the shit started to hit the fan
I'm just saying Lof may not have known this stuff was going on if they didn't have people over at the event. I know I had no idea until it all came on to TL.
Give them benefit of the doubt for now. Hopefully the deal fell through? There really isn't a lot of information on it here.
On November 13 2011 19:53 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: That's some nerve. Is Lof ignorant?
Yes, it seems Lof is completely ignorant. What a sad, sad day. I hope this breaks off fairly swiftly.
Nope, Flash is the best player of all time and sAviOr is selfish and corrupted just like how Gus is. Can't believe people still stick up for sAviOr after dealing a huge blow to BW.
On November 13 2011 19:41 Kabocha wrote: Congratz! Good man Gus, savior of E-sports
woah careful when you use the phrase "savior of e-sports"
I think that was the joke, considering that Gus is considered to be an absolute dickhead by the majority of the TL community.
He could mean sAviOr of eSports...
Clever...
Not Clever at all.... That's a complete insult to sAviOr, the best SC:BW player of all time.
On November 13 2011 19:53 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: That's some nerve. Is Lof ignorant?
Yes, it seems Lof is completely ignorant. What a sad, sad day. I hope this breaks off fairly swiftly.
Nope, Flash is the best player of all time and sAviOr is selfish and corrupted just like how Gus is. Can't believe people still stick up for sAviOr after dealing a huge blow to BW.
Sorry but Flash isn't the best player of all time over sAviOr. His negative actions don't reflect his gameplay. Nobody talked about his contributions to the game as an eSports. The only comment that was made was about his talent and results. Flash is the best player right now, but he doesn't surpass sAviOr. The contributions and games that he gave the the sc:bw community were by far the best in bw history, regardless of the mistakes he made in the past. He helped swindle money, and was banned from bw for it, but that was after providing the best contributions to sc:bw of all time. Flash is just solid and better than everyone that plays the game today.
On November 13 2011 19:41 Kabocha wrote: Congratz! Good man Gus, savior of E-sports
woah careful when you use the phrase "savior of e-sports"
I think that was the joke, considering that Gus is considered to be an absolute dickhead by the majority of the TL community.
He could mean sAviOr of eSports...
Clever...
Not Clever at all.... That's a complete insult to sAviOr, the best SC:BW player of all time.
On November 13 2011 19:53 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: That's some nerve. Is Lof ignorant?
Yes, it seems Lof is completely ignorant. What a sad, sad day. I hope this breaks off fairly swiftly.
Nope, Flash is the best player of all time and sAviOr is selfish and corrupted just like how Gus is. Can't believe people still stick up for sAviOr after dealing a huge blow to BW.
Well, this is kind of really off topic, but "at least" sAviOr "only" scammed his fans who did something illegal in the first place (i.e. betting on the games). Anyways, either Team AZK throws out Gus asap with a clean message how the team thinks of what he has done, or I hope Lof makes a run for the hills. I wonder how much time has to pass till any of this happens though.
btw. just wanted to add that savior was properly prosecuted and got his sentence for the shit he did.
As long as that Gus-guy is still part of your organization, I will do everything I can to avoid supporting you. LoF should seriously reconsidder this arrangement
sAviOr as a PLAYER is the best of all time imho. The way he changed the game and his strategy.... has not been surpassed.
Flash is just a perfectly solid player and better than everyone else aside from maybe JD, sometimes. Not taking anything away from Flash, but I think sAviOr is better.
Damn sAviOr, y u scandal... I wish you were still playing =(
edit: this thread shouldnt be about savior vs gus lol, i think we all know just how bad what savior did was. as bad as it sounds, gus only set back the SEA scene, not ALL OF ESPORTS scene.
LoF better run outta this asap, but isn't AZK essentially disbanded anyway?
continuing the OT: While savior did things that damages e-sports on a larger scale than gus, he at least contributed plenty as well as a bonjwa and leader of the zergs for a long time before the scandals.
What gus did may be on a smaller scale, but as far as I know, he has contributed less than savior as well. If we look at the ratio of bad things done divided by good things done, maybe gus and savior are comparable? gus maybe is like a mini-savior, or savior wanna-be? I have no idea how much gus contributed in that clan before this drama came out though.
so, is it okay to continue the ot? then I might as well add my own opinion.
The reason why the damage savior created was "on a larger scale" than what gus did is mainly because of two reasons: 1) he was one of the broodwar heroes that were literally worshiped 2) the korean culture, in which starcraft is a legitimate sport, is more sensible to stuff like this
I'm not trying to defend savior or anything like that, but objectively speaking, gus did worse things than he did (scamming the innocent vs scamming people who did something illegal in the first place), it's just that the circumstance that blew the affair around savior so big comparet to gus, who might even go away legally unharmed.
On November 13 2011 20:00 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: My bad this was posted before it all happened. I hope Lof runs.
Basing the entire AZK Team off of an event that has no solid proof that there was any fraudulent behavior. Your support is truly breathtaking.
well so far your team (if it turly is your team and you are spokeperson for it) has done absolutly nothing to clear up the very shady picture we are left with.
You know it's been almost a week by now, and we still have no information from your side. If you think everything went perfectly and all was legal and above board maybe you should speak up and lay out those points.. The longer you remain silent the more harder it will be to clear up any missunderstanding.
On November 13 2011 20:00 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: My bad this was posted before it all happened. I hope Lof runs.
Basing the entire AZK Team off of an event that has no solid proof that there was any fraudulent behavior. Your support is truly breathtaking.
gtfo - Like really? Your own team member just posted that the team has disbanded! Don't you see what has happened? Man the fuck up and either dismiss these credible sources that say that you fucked up bigtime, or give us your version of the story! Alot of people with a ton more credability and goodwill in the community than you have, seem to think you have alot to answer for!
On November 13 2011 20:00 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: My bad this was posted before it all happened. I hope Lof runs.
Basing the entire AZK Team off of an event that has no solid proof that there was any fraudulent behavior. Your support is truly breathtaking.
The best thing you guys could do is just remake the clan. Your name will always be associated with the scandal, just like how WeRRa was tarnished Korea.
On November 13 2011 20:00 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: My bad this was posted before it all happened. I hope Lof runs.
Basing the entire AZK Team off of an event that has no solid proof that there was any fraudulent behavior. Your support is truly breathtaking.
gtfo - Like really? Your own team member just posted that the team has disbanded! Don't you see what has happened? Man the fuck up and either dismiss these credible sources that say that you fucked up bigtime, or give us your version of the story! Alot of people with a ton more credability and goodwill in the community than you have, seem to think you have alot to answer for!
On November 13 2011 20:00 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: My bad this was posted before it all happened. I hope Lof runs.
Basing the entire AZK Team off of an event that has no solid proof that there was any fraudulent behavior. Your support is truly breathtaking.
The best thing you guys could do is just remake the clan. Your name will always be associated with the scandal, just like how WeRRa was tarnished Korea.
On November 13 2011 20:00 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: My bad this was posted before it all happened. I hope Lof runs.
Basing the entire AZK Team off of an event that has no solid proof that there was any fraudulent behavior. Your support is truly breathtaking.
gtfo - Like really? Your own team member just posted that the team has disbanded! Don't you see what has happened? Man the fuck up and either dismiss these credible sources that say that you fucked up bigtime, or give us your version of the story! Alot of people with a ton more credability and goodwill in the community than you have, seem to think you have alot to answer for!
Wait what? They did disband?
On November 14 2011 00:20 Licmyobelisk wrote: actually team azk is disbanded, some of us are scattered and teamless (I myself consider having no team association due to the amount of stress)
On November 13 2011 20:00 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: My bad this was posted before it all happened. I hope Lof runs.
Basing the entire AZK Team off of an event that has no solid proof that there was any fraudulent behavior. Your support is truly breathtaking.
Last report from TheGunRun is that he and Amanda still haven't been paid back. Whether Gus was intentionally fraudulent or just a complete moron, the guy running your team fucked things up really bad and still hasn't even fully explained everything. Are you guys still a team? Guy posting before you says you're disbanded. If you are still a team, is Gus still in charge? If he is, can you understand why people think that partnering with your team is a horrible idea right now? You can't expect support until you fix things or disassociate yourself from Gus.
I wasn't looking for support, I'm just sick of every no name random commenting on the issue, when they know absolutely nothing, they're just hopping on the bandwagon because it's what everyone else is doing. There's no actual `proof` of fraudulent behavior yet, and until there is lay off it, honestly. Gus has been super busy as he also has a full time job to attend to (that has crazy hours), and has restricted his availability. Until everything is finished, there's absolutely no reason to give anyone "updates" on what's happening. The only people that matter to it are the sponsors and staff of the event, no random scrub from the community that derps along with everyone else, and their stupid rumors. Sure, there was a few things that happened (With YJY, and Team Cube players), and they will all be explained fully once the more important things are chased up.
Until then, lay off.
EDIT: I'm not going to argue with anyone anymore on this thread, take it or leave it. I don't give a flying f*ck what you think. Follow the rumors / false accusations all you want.
When the truth comes out you're just going to look pathetic.
On November 14 2011 01:37 AZKziek wrote: I wasn't looking for support, I'm just sick of every no name random commenting on the issue, when they know absolutely nothing, they're just hopping on the bandwagon because it's what everyone else is doing. There's no actual `proof` of fraudulent behavior yet, and until there is lay off it, honestly. Gus has been super busy as he also has a full time job to attend to (that has crazy hours), and has restricted his availability. Until everything is finished, there's absolutely no reason to give anyone "updates" on what's happening. The only people that matter to it are the sponsors and staff of the event, no random scrub from the community that derps along with everyone else, and their stupid rumors. Sure, there was a few things that happened (With YJY, and Team Cube players), and they will all be explained fully once the more important things are chased up.
Until then, lay off.
EDIT: I'm not going to argue with anyone anymore on this thread, take it or leave it. I don't give a flying f*ck what you think. Follow the rumors / false accusations all you want.
When the truth comes out you're just going to look pathetic.
Makes no sense. You yourself wanted to comment on the entire situation on State of the Game. Explain.
On November 14 2011 01:37 AZKziek wrote: I wasn't looking for support, I'm just sick of every no name random commenting on the issue, when they know absolutely nothing, they're just hopping on the bandwagon because it's what everyone else is doing. There's no actual `proof` of fraudulent behavior yet, and until there is lay off it, honestly. Gus has been super busy as he also has a full time job to attend to (that has crazy hours), and has restricted his availability. Until everything is finished, there's absolutely no reason to give anyone "updates" on what's happening. The only people that matter to it are the sponsors and staff of the event, no random scrub from the community that derps along with everyone else, and their stupid rumors. Sure, there was a few things that happened (With YJY, and Team Cube players), and they will all be explained fully once the more important things are chased up.
Until then, lay off.
EDIT: I'm not going to argue with anyone anymore on this thread, take it or leave it. I don't give a flying f*ck what you think. Follow the rumors / false accusations all you want.
When the truth comes out you're just going to look pathetic.
At least stop talking about yourself in third person, like you're someone else Gus - It's pretty pathetic
On November 14 2011 01:37 AZKziek wrote: I wasn't looking for support, I'm just sick of every no name random commenting on the issue, when they know absolutely nothing, they're just hopping on the bandwagon because it's what everyone else is doing. There's no actual `proof` of fraudulent behavior yet, and until there is lay off it, honestly. Gus has been super busy as he also has a full time job to attend to (that has crazy hours), and has restricted his availability. Until everything is finished, there's absolutely no reason to give anyone "updates" on what's happening. The only people that matter to it are the sponsors and staff of the event, no random scrub from the community that derps along with everyone else, and their stupid rumors. Sure, there was a few things that happened (With YJY, and Team Cube players), and they will all be explained fully once the more important things are chased up.
Until then, lay off.
EDIT: I'm not going to argue with anyone anymore on this thread, take it or leave it. I don't give a flying f*ck what you think. Follow the rumors / false accusations all you want.
When the truth comes out you're just going to look pathetic.
At least stop talking about yourself in third person, like you're someone else Gus - It's pretty pathetic
Lol... this guy is Gus? Or are you just joking / suspecting?
On November 14 2011 01:37 AZKziek wrote: I wasn't looking for support, I'm just sick of every no name random commenting on the issue, when they know absolutely nothing, they're just hopping on the bandwagon because it's what everyone else is doing. There's no actual `proof` of fraudulent behavior yet, and until there is lay off it, honestly. Gus has been super busy as he also has a full time job to attend to (that has crazy hours), and has restricted his availability. Until everything is finished, there's absolutely no reason to give anyone "updates" on what's happening. The only people that matter to it are the sponsors and staff of the event, no random scrub from the community that derps along with everyone else, and their stupid rumors. Sure, there was a few things that happened (With YJY, and Team Cube players), and they will all be explained fully once the more important things are chased up.
Until then, lay off.
EDIT: I'm not going to argue with anyone anymore on this thread, take it or leave it. I don't give a flying f*ck what you think. Follow the rumors / false accusations all you want.
When the truth comes out you're just going to look pathetic.
This situation is so confusing. Are you Gus? What is this.
On November 14 2011 01:37 AZKziek wrote: I wasn't looking for support, I'm just sick of every no name random commenting on the issue, when they know absolutely nothing, they're just hopping on the bandwagon because it's what everyone else is doing. There's no actual `proof` of fraudulent behavior yet, and until there is lay off it, honestly. Gus has been super busy as he also has a full time job to attend to (that has crazy hours), and has restricted his availability. Until everything is finished, there's absolutely no reason to give anyone "updates" on what's happening. The only people that matter to it are the sponsors and staff of the event, no random scrub from the community that derps along with everyone else, and their stupid rumors. Sure, there was a few things that happened (With YJY, and Team Cube players), and they will all be explained fully once the more important things are chased up.
Until then, lay off.
EDIT: I'm not going to argue with anyone anymore on this thread, take it or leave it. I don't give a flying f*ck what you think. Follow the rumors / false accusations all you want.
When the truth comes out you're just going to look pathetic.
Given the immense fallout and irreparable damage to your organization's reputation this entire event is having, if there is another side to this story, I'm actually pretty surprised that you aren't placing a higher priority on damage control. I doubt anyone is going to feel "pathetic" even if this all turns out to be sensationalism. In fact, I'm sure most of us would be happy if that were the case considering the implications the alternative would have for lots of innocent people.
At any rate, I look forward to hearing an official statement from your organization regarding all of the controversy along with a clear plan for what changes you plan to implement in the future to prevent this kind of thing from ever happening again. I do hope this is all being blown out of proportion and that people aren't on the hook for large sums of money or looking at prospective prison time, but with the silence from your side, I don't think you can fault people for suspecting otherwise since all of the statements from sources involved released so far seem to point directly in that direction.
On November 14 2011 01:37 AZKziek wrote: I wasn't looking for support, I'm just sick of every no name random commenting on the issue, when they know absolutely nothing, they're just hopping on the bandwagon because it's what everyone else is doing. There's no actual `proof` of fraudulent behavior yet, and until there is lay off it, honestly. Gus has been super busy as he also has a full time job to attend to (that has crazy hours), and has restricted his availability. Until everything is finished, there's absolutely no reason to give anyone "updates" on what's happening. The only people that matter to it are the sponsors and staff of the event, no random scrub from the community that derps along with everyone else, and their stupid rumors. Sure, there was a few things that happened (With YJY, and Team Cube players), and they will all be explained fully once the more important things are chased up.
Until then, lay off.
EDIT: I'm not going to argue with anyone anymore on this thread, take it or leave it. I don't give a flying f*ck what you think. Follow the rumors / false accusations all you want.
When the truth comes out you're just going to look pathetic.
At least stop talking about yourself in third person, like you're someone else Gus - It's pretty pathetic
He's not Gus, but apparently he knows what went down 'behind the scenes'. What's confusing about his post is how he's insulting the people who weren't involved in the incident, saying they're 'no name randoms' (that pretty much translates to 'scrubs'), hopping on a bandwagon. So, by his logic, people who don't actually know what went down shouldn't talk at all. Yet he requested several times to speak on State of the Game about the issue. From that I can assume that he's NOT a 'no name random', and he's definitely NOT someone who just wanted to get on State of the Game to boost his fame, and that he actually knows what went down. So... why haven't you commented on your own accord? Clear some shit up? No offense, but I'm pretty sure I'm makin' sense here. Or is there something else?
On November 14 2011 01:54 tsuxiit wrote: This situation is so confusing. Are you Gus? What is this. Is this real life?
No, he's not. But he claims to be one of the few people who truly know what went down.
On November 14 2011 01:52 Roggay wrote: Lol... this guy is Gus? Or are you just joking / suspecting?
Why so much AZK hate? I thought it was just this ONE Gus guy who's on AZK and messed up everything including biased treatment for fellow AZK members. The rest of the team had nothing to do with it, right? I thought AZK was pretty legit, don't they have viOlet?
On November 14 2011 01:37 AZKziek wrote: I wasn't looking for support, I'm just sick of every no name random commenting on the issue, when they know absolutely nothing, they're just hopping on the bandwagon because it's what everyone else is doing. There's no actual `proof` of fraudulent behavior yet, and until there is lay off it, honestly. Gus has been super busy as he also has a full time job to attend to (that has crazy hours), and has restricted his availability. Until everything is finished, there's absolutely no reason to give anyone "updates" on what's happening. The only people that matter to it are the sponsors and staff of the event, no random scrub from the community that derps along with everyone else, and their stupid rumors. Sure, there was a few things that happened (With YJY, and Team Cube players), and they will all be explained fully once the more important things are chased up.
Until then, lay off.
EDIT: I'm not going to argue with anyone anymore on this thread, take it or leave it. I don't give a flying f*ck what you think. Follow the rumors / false accusations all you want.
When the truth comes out you're just going to look pathetic.
Are you delusional? Nobody is hopping on the bandwagon because that's what everyone is doing - it is more like everyone is outraged at the whole mess and voicing their frustration with that. The accusations are not made out of thin air, which is what you get when you read the various threads, but coming from people involved.
Saying that only sponsors and staff matter is simply wrong because sponsors usually expect something in return for their money and it sure as hell is not bad press, community outrage and failure to organize an event properly (ask IPL...). Thus by ignoring the concerns of the community, you are shooting yourself in the foot.
Everybody is eagerly awaiting a detailed response and explanation of Gus about whole ordeal and I'd wager the chances of a "truth" coming out making people look pathetic are slim to none.
On November 14 2011 01:37 AZKziek wrote: I wasn't looking for support, I'm just sick of every no name random commenting on the issue, when they know absolutely nothing, they're just hopping on the bandwagon because it's what everyone else is doing. There's no actual `proof` of fraudulent behavior yet, and until there is lay off it, honestly. Gus has been super busy as he also has a full time job to attend to (that has crazy hours), and has restricted his availability. Until everything is finished, there's absolutely no reason to give anyone "updates" on what's happening. The only people that matter to it are the sponsors and staff of the event, no random scrub from the community that derps along with everyone else, and their stupid rumors. Sure, there was a few things that happened (With YJY, and Team Cube players), and they will all be explained fully once the more important things are chased up.
Until then, lay off.
EDIT: I'm not going to argue with anyone anymore on this thread, take it or leave it. I don't give a flying f*ck what you think. Follow the rumors / false accusations all you want.
When the truth comes out you're just going to look pathetic.
We just don't like helpful people to go to jail because of your 'busy' boss. It would be nice to actually be informed on this shitty situation.
On November 14 2011 01:57 Warlock40 wrote: Why so much AZK hate? I thought it was just this ONE Gus guy who's on AZK and messed up everything including biased treatment for fellow AZK members. The rest of the team had nothing to do with it, right? I thought AZK was pretty legit, don't they have viOlet?
No they don't. Violet wore the tag just so that he could participate in that qualifer. His twitter already declares otherwise. That's similar to how moonglade nearly wore the tag too, just that he found it too fishy.
On November 14 2011 01:37 AZKziek wrote: I wasn't looking for support, I'm just sick of every no name random commenting on the issue, when they know absolutely nothing, they're just hopping on the bandwagon because it's what everyone else is doing. There's no actual `proof` of fraudulent behavior yet, and until there is lay off it, honestly. Gus has been super busy as he also has a full time job to attend to (that has crazy hours), and has restricted his availability. Until everything is finished, there's absolutely no reason to give anyone "updates" on what's happening. The only people that matter to it are the sponsors and staff of the event, no random scrub from the community that derps along with everyone else, and their stupid rumors. Sure, there was a few things that happened (With YJY, and Team Cube players), and they will all be explained fully once the more important things are chased up.
Until then, lay off.
EDIT: I'm not going to argue with anyone anymore on this thread, take it or leave it. I don't give a flying f*ck what you think. Follow the rumors / false accusations all you want.
When the truth comes out you're just going to look pathetic.
At least stop talking about yourself in third person, like you're someone else Gus - It's pretty pathetic
He's not Gus, but apparently he knows what went down 'behind the scenes'. What's confusing about his post is how he's insulting the people who weren't involved in the incident, saying they're 'no name randoms' (that pretty much translates to 'scrubs'), hopping on a bandwagon. So, by his logic, people who don't actually know what went down shouldn't talk at all. Yet he requested several times to speak on State of the Game about the issue. From that I can assume that he's NOT a 'no name random', and he's definitely NOT someone who just wanted to get on State of the Game to boost his fame, and that he actually knows what went down. So... why haven't you commented on your own accord? Clear some shit up? No offense, but I'm pretty sure I'm makin' sense here. Or is there something else?
Gus: I'll give the details right now! But I lost my mic so I can't! AZKiek: No one is going the details until later on!
Whoops looks like you two are saying two completely different things. Jeez can't you guys get your stories straight?
Edit: Wow, whoops, looks like Gus has problems getting his own story to match. Multiple personality disorder? Looks like even his split personalities can't get their/his stories straight.
On November 14 2011 01:37 AZKziek wrote: I wasn't looking for support, I'm just sick of every no name random commenting on the issue, when they know absolutely nothing, they're just hopping on the bandwagon because it's what everyone else is doing. There's no actual `proof` of fraudulent behavior yet, and until there is lay off it, honestly. Gus has been super busy as he also has a full time job to attend to (that has crazy hours), and has restricted his availability. Until everything is finished, there's absolutely no reason to give anyone "updates" on what's happening. The only people that matter to it are the sponsors and staff of the event, no random scrub from the community that derps along with everyone else, and their stupid rumors. Sure, there was a few things that happened (With YJY, and Team Cube players), and they will all be explained fully once the more important things are chased up.
Until then, lay off.
EDIT: I'm not going to argue with anyone anymore on this thread, take it or leave it. I don't give a flying f*ck what you think. Follow the rumors / false accusations all you want.
When the truth comes out you're just going to look pathetic.
At least stop talking about yourself in third person, like you're someone else Gus - It's pretty pathetic
He's not Gus, but apparently he knows what went down 'behind the scenes'. What's confusing about his post is how he's insulting the people who weren't involved in the incident, saying they're 'no name randoms' (that pretty much translates to 'scrubs'), hopping on a bandwagon. So, by his logic, people who don't actually know what went down shouldn't talk at all. Yet he requested several times to speak on State of the Game about the issue. From that I can assume that he's NOT a 'no name random', and he's definitely NOT someone who just wanted to get on State of the Game to boost his fame, and that he actually knows what went down. So... why haven't you commented on your own accord? Clear some shit up? No offense, but I'm pretty sure I'm makin' sense here. Or is there something else?
On November 14 2011 01:54 tsuxiit wrote: This situation is so confusing. Are you Gus? What is this. Is this real life?
No, he's not. But he claims to be one of the few people who truly know what went down.
On November 14 2011 01:52 Roggay wrote: Lol... this guy is Gus? Or are you just joking / suspecting?
On November 14 2011 01:37 AZKziek wrote: I wasn't looking for support, I'm just sick of every no name random commenting on the issue, when they know absolutely nothing, they're just hopping on the bandwagon because it's what everyone else is doing. There's no actual `proof` of fraudulent behavior yet, and until there is lay off it, honestly. Gus has been super busy as he also has a full time job to attend to (that has crazy hours), and has restricted his availability. Until everything is finished, there's absolutely no reason to give anyone "updates" on what's happening. The only people that matter to it are the sponsors and staff of the event, no random scrub from the community that derps along with everyone else, and their stupid rumors. Sure, there was a few things that happened (With YJY, and Team Cube players), and they will all be explained fully once the more important things are chased up.
Until then, lay off.
EDIT: I'm not going to argue with anyone anymore on this thread, take it or leave it. I don't give a flying f*ck what you think. Follow the rumors / false accusations all you want.
When the truth comes out you're just going to look pathetic.
Hahahaha.
I need my morning cup of esports drama. This is gonna be great.
On November 14 2011 01:37 AZKziek wrote: I wasn't looking for support, I'm just sick of every no name random commenting on the issue, when they know absolutely nothing, they're just hopping on the bandwagon because it's what everyone else is doing. There's no actual `proof` of fraudulent behavior yet, and until there is lay off it, honestly. Gus has been super busy as he also has a full time job to attend to (that has crazy hours), and has restricted his availability. Until everything is finished, there's absolutely no reason to give anyone "updates" on what's happening. The only people that matter to it are the sponsors and staff of the event, no random scrub from the community that derps along with everyone else, and their stupid rumors. Sure, there was a few things that happened (With YJY, and Team Cube players), and they will all be explained fully once the more important things are chased up.
Until then, lay off.
EDIT: I'm not going to argue with anyone anymore on this thread, take it or leave it. I don't give a flying f*ck what you think. Follow the rumors / false accusations all you want.
When the truth comes out you're just going to look pathetic.
At least stop talking about yourself in third person, like you're someone else Gus - It's pretty pathetic
He's not Gus, but apparently he knows what went down 'behind the scenes'. What's confusing about his post is how he's insulting the people who weren't involved in the incident, saying they're 'no name randoms' (that pretty much translates to 'scrubs'), hopping on a bandwagon. So, by his logic, people who don't actually know what went down shouldn't talk at all. Yet he requested several times to speak on State of the Game about the issue. From that I can assume that he's NOT a 'no name random', and he's definitely NOT someone who just wanted to get on State of the Game to boost his fame, and that he actually knows what went down. So... why haven't you commented on your own accord? Clear some shit up? No offense, but I'm pretty sure I'm makin' sense here. Or is there something else?
On November 14 2011 01:54 tsuxiit wrote: This situation is so confusing. Are you Gus? What is this. Is this real life?
No, he's not. But he claims to be one of the few people who truly know what went down.
On November 14 2011 01:52 Roggay wrote: Lol... this guy is Gus? Or are you just joking / suspecting?
On November 14 2011 01:37 AZKziek wrote: I wasn't looking for support, I'm just sick of every no name random commenting on the issue, when they know absolutely nothing, they're just hopping on the bandwagon because it's what everyone else is doing. There's no actual `proof` of fraudulent behavior yet, and until there is lay off it, honestly. Gus has been super busy as he also has a full time job to attend to (that has crazy hours), and has restricted his availability. Until everything is finished, there's absolutely no reason to give anyone "updates" on what's happening. The only people that matter to it are the sponsors and staff of the event, no random scrub from the community that derps along with everyone else, and their stupid rumors. Sure, there was a few things that happened (With YJY, and Team Cube players), and they will all be explained fully once the more important things are chased up.
Until then, lay off.
EDIT: I'm not going to argue with anyone anymore on this thread, take it or leave it. I don't give a flying f*ck what you think. Follow the rumors / false accusations all you want.
When the truth comes out you're just going to look pathetic.
At least stop talking about yourself in third person, like you're someone else Gus - It's pretty pathetic
He's not Gus, but apparently he knows what went down 'behind the scenes'. What's confusing about his post is how he's insulting the people who weren't involved in the incident, saying they're 'no name randoms' (that pretty much translates to 'scrubs'), hopping on a bandwagon. So, by his logic, people who don't actually know what went down shouldn't talk at all. Yet he requested several times to speak on State of the Game about the issue. From that I can assume that he's NOT a 'no name random', and he's definitely NOT someone who just wanted to get on State of the Game to boost his fame, and that he actually knows what went down. So... why haven't you commented on your own accord? Clear some shit up? No offense, but I'm pretty sure I'm makin' sense here. Or is there something else?
On November 14 2011 01:54 tsuxiit wrote: This situation is so confusing. Are you Gus? What is this. Is this real life?
No, he's not. But he claims to be one of the few people who truly know what went down.
On November 14 2011 01:52 Roggay wrote: Lol... this guy is Gus? Or are you just joking / suspecting?
Well, i could link you his picture from a tournament he entered under the nick hes posting on here, but that wouldn't be propper, as he's quite the unpopular guy I hear
That's Zanooku, Gus's ign is AZKwitchdoc. AFAIK Zanooku resides in Austrailia.
On November 14 2011 01:37 AZKziek wrote: I wasn't looking for support, I'm just sick of every no name random commenting on the issue, when they know absolutely nothing, they're just hopping on the bandwagon because it's what everyone else is doing. There's no actual `proof` of fraudulent behavior yet, and until there is lay off it, honestly. Gus has been super busy as he also has a full time job to attend to (that has crazy hours), and has restricted his availability. Until everything is finished, there's absolutely no reason to give anyone "updates" on what's happening. The only people that matter to it are the sponsors and staff of the event, no random scrub from the community that derps along with everyone else, and their stupid rumors. Sure, there was a few things that happened (With YJY, and Team Cube players), and they will all be explained fully once the more important things are chased up.
Until then, lay off.
EDIT: I'm not going to argue with anyone anymore on this thread, take it or leave it. I don't give a flying f*ck what you think. Follow the rumors / false accusations all you want.
When the truth comes out you're just going to look pathetic.
At least stop talking about yourself in third person, like you're someone else Gus - It's pretty pathetic
He's not Gus, but apparently he knows what went down 'behind the scenes'. What's confusing about his post is how he's insulting the people who weren't involved in the incident, saying they're 'no name randoms' (that pretty much translates to 'scrubs'), hopping on a bandwagon. So, by his logic, people who don't actually know what went down shouldn't talk at all. Yet he requested several times to speak on State of the Game about the issue. From that I can assume that he's NOT a 'no name random', and he's definitely NOT someone who just wanted to get on State of the Game to boost his fame, and that he actually knows what went down. So... why haven't you commented on your own accord? Clear some shit up? No offense, but I'm pretty sure I'm makin' sense here. Or is there something else?
On November 14 2011 01:54 tsuxiit wrote: This situation is so confusing. Are you Gus? What is this. Is this real life?
No, he's not. But he claims to be one of the few people who truly know what went down.
On November 14 2011 01:52 Roggay wrote: Lol... this guy is Gus? Or are you just joking / suspecting?
ya, it's not him, although if you are bored and you google zanooku and read some posts about this fellow in AZK he seems to be pretty BM and racist at times.
is zanooku still in GM? heard a funny story about him calling out KJH to fight him and here's the story recounted by someone who saw it all unfold (sorry about the formatting, FB chat sucks balls): Mark: lol well zanooku threatened to bash kjh and then kjh turned up so not all kjeyboard warriors shuld be taken lightly lol Me: ROFL when did that happen mark? is zanooku still a scrawny little guy? Mark: at elysium oin the weekend lol yup absolutly tiny was hilarious he was apparently beign racist to kjh Me: LOL Mark: called him out told him to show up so he could bash him with his 10 mates then kjh did turn up Me: ahahahahahahahahah Mark: with his twin brother and there both big dude s Me: that's so badass Mark: lol was so awkward all these nerds playign video games Me: so good Mark: then in he marches potato bails him up hardcore he poopy himjself his "10 boys" turned out to be one fat dude, and one skinny dude so not alot of help there but yeh only thing is zanooku could get him for assault if he wanted Me: AHAHAHAAHA Mark: i dont think he will though, his online personality took a pretty big battering from that i mean if he poopy talks again people just need to say "oh so ur gonna bash me like u did kjh at elysium??"
and first-person account from LabyriBlue's friend. + Show Spoiler +
basically his brother went right up to him and grabbed his shirt and demanded an apology, and zanooku was like "whoa what? i don't know who you are" and then KJH started naming all of the incidents where zan was spewing racism, and was saying "i want a ******* apology" zanooku ignorantly goes "i'm sorry, but i don't know who you are" and then KJH raised his fist, and that was when zanooku started looking down at his mousepad and playing with this hands and EveSigns went over to hold KJH back before he actually took a swing, and zanooku was trying to say "i wasn't being racist". that just made KJH and his brother even more angry, and started talking about how zanooku was a piss weak bitch at LAN etc etc then every time that KJH yelled about the racist events zan just says "that wasn't me", which caused Solis to yell "ZANOOKU YOU'RE NOT MAKING THIS BETTER FOR YOURSELF, JUST SHUT THE **** UP" and then KJH looked at zan's monitor and said "I don't even ******* play this game!" which completely broke the tension, and we all cracked up. but on their way out of the room, KJH told zan to never come to brisbane lan again or he'd get bashed for reali felt really sorry for the guy sitting next to me (phoneheha i think his alias was, nicest guy i've ever met) because he was playing a tournament match against HuT >.<
I need to do my essay now, but I had a good laugh.
oh gosh... wow... I am ready to be proven pathetic but as for now, im going to ask for ANY statement... if gus cares AT ALL about AZK, he would have come to the community already instead of this shitstorm boil and wait until everyone forgets before he comes back
On November 14 2011 01:37 AZKziek wrote: I wasn't looking for support, I'm just sick of every no name random commenting on the issue, when they know absolutely nothing, they're just hopping on the bandwagon because it's what everyone else is doing. There's no actual `proof` of fraudulent behavior yet, and until there is lay off it, honestly. Gus has been super busy as he also has a full time job to attend to (that has crazy hours), and has restricted his availability. Until everything is finished, there's absolutely no reason to give anyone "updates" on what's happening. The only people that matter to it are the sponsors and staff of the event, no random scrub from the community that derps along with everyone else, and their stupid rumors. Sure, there was a few things that happened (With YJY, and Team Cube players), and they will all be explained fully once the more important things are chased up.
Until then, lay off.
EDIT: I'm not going to argue with anyone anymore on this thread, take it or leave it. I don't give a flying f*ck what you think. Follow the rumors / false accusations all you want.
When the truth comes out you're just going to look pathetic.
At least stop talking about yourself in third person, like you're someone else Gus - It's pretty pathetic
He's not Gus, but apparently he knows what went down 'behind the scenes'. What's confusing about his post is how he's insulting the people who weren't involved in the incident, saying they're 'no name randoms' (that pretty much translates to 'scrubs'), hopping on a bandwagon. So, by his logic, people who don't actually know what went down shouldn't talk at all. Yet he requested several times to speak on State of the Game about the issue. From that I can assume that he's NOT a 'no name random', and he's definitely NOT someone who just wanted to get on State of the Game to boost his fame, and that he actually knows what went down. So... why haven't you commented on your own accord? Clear some shit up? No offense, but I'm pretty sure I'm makin' sense here. Or is there something else?
On November 14 2011 01:54 tsuxiit wrote: This situation is so confusing. Are you Gus? What is this. Is this real life?
No, he's not. But he claims to be one of the few people who truly know what went down.
On November 14 2011 01:52 Roggay wrote: Lol... this guy is Gus? Or are you just joking / suspecting?
ya, it's not him, although if you are bored and you google zanooku and read some posts about this fellow in AZK he seems to be pretty BM and racist at times.
is zanooku still in GM? heard a funny story about him calling out KJH to fight him and here's the story recounted by someone who saw it all unfold (sorry about the formatting, FB chat sucks balls): Mark: lol well zanooku threatened to bash kjh and then kjh turned up so not all kjeyboard warriors shuld be taken lightly lol Me: ROFL when did that happen mark? is zanooku still a scrawny little guy? Mark: at elysium oin the weekend lol yup absolutly tiny was hilarious he was apparently beign racist to kjh Me: LOL Mark: called him out told him to show up so he could bash him with his 10 mates then kjh did turn up Me: ahahahahahahahahah Mark: with his twin brother and there both big dude s Me: that's so badass Mark: lol was so awkward all these nerds playign video games Me: so good Mark: then in he marches potato bails him up hardcore he poopy himjself his "10 boys" turned out to be one fat dude, and one skinny dude so not alot of help there but yeh only thing is zanooku could get him for assault if he wanted Me: AHAHAHAAHA Mark: i dont think he will though, his online personality took a pretty big battering from that i mean if he poopy talks again people just need to say "oh so ur gonna bash me like u did kjh at elysium??"
and first-person account from LabyriBlue's friend. + Show Spoiler +
basically his brother went right up to him and grabbed his shirt and demanded an apology, and zanooku was like "whoa what? i don't know who you are" and then KJH started naming all of the incidents where zan was spewing racism, and was saying "i want a ******* apology" zanooku ignorantly goes "i'm sorry, but i don't know who you are" and then KJH raised his fist, and that was when zanooku started looking down at his mousepad and playing with this hands and EveSigns went over to hold KJH back before he actually took a swing, and zanooku was trying to say "i wasn't being racist". that just made KJH and his brother even more angry, and started talking about how zanooku was a piss weak bitch at LAN etc etc then every time that KJH yelled about the racist events zan just says "that wasn't me", which caused Solis to yell "ZANOOKU YOU'RE NOT MAKING THIS BETTER FOR YOURSELF, JUST SHUT THE **** UP" and then KJH looked at zan's monitor and said "I don't even ******* play this game!" which completely broke the tension, and we all cracked up. but on their way out of the room, KJH told zan to never come to brisbane lan again or he'd get bashed for reali felt really sorry for the guy sitting next to me (phoneheha i think his alias was, nicest guy i've ever met) because he was playing a tournament match against HuT >.<
I need to do my essay now, but I had a good laugh.
Edit: good thing I don't look pathetic!
LOLWUT. I can't/won't believe everything I read, especially on the Internet, but that's fucking joke.
On an unrelated note, AZKZiek wanted to go on State of the Game to comment on the entire situation, because he felt "people who don't know the truth will just make things worse", as his comments on this thread agree with. It didn't go through, but I'm rather interested in what he would have said if it went through.
Seriously Matt, if you think your voice in this entire issue matters, enough that you should be watched by thousands of people in the eSPORTS community, an overwhelming majority of whom belong in the 'random no-name' category you so despise, you should speak up now. Make a post about it. Clear some shit up, because not commenting is the WORST thing you can do.
On November 14 2011 01:37 AZKziek wrote: EDIT: I'm not going to argue with anyone anymore on this thread, take it or leave it. I don't give a flying f*ck what you think. Follow the rumors / false accusations all you want.
When the truth comes out you're just going to look pathetic.
pretty sure most of us would rather look like PATHETIC NECKBEARDS than to see the shitstorm be a con by some dude who apparently has working hours longer than a 100 hour work week banker
I was shitting myself until I seen Naz's post and realized it was b4 indeed. Wonder what Lof thinks of his new partner. The best thing they can say about Lof is wc3 members? Maybe we can hope that AzK learns wc3 and goes there before they shit on sc2 scene anymore
EDIT: I'm not going to argue with anyone anymore on this thread, take it or leave it. I don't give a flying f*ck what you think. Follow the rumors / false accusations all you want.
When the truth comes out you're just going to look pathetic.
I would be happy to be made to look like a pathetic scrub. Just please give the girl her money and don't ruin her life.
Also insulting the teamliquid community for trying to stand up for the community its self and the people part of it is really foolish of you. We just want things resolved and right now Gus/AZK looks terrible in this entire situation and there is some girl whos life could be ruined because of the things you did. We are not idiots jumping on a bandwagon, we are trying to protect what we love and those who we care about.
Edit: How the fuck can you call Nazgul a "no-name random"...?
How stupid do you have to be, to call Nazgul "no-name random." Even if you never heard of the team/site owner, you should at least noticed that Liquid' tag.
If AZKziek isn't Gus, I am even more worried about Team AZK. Two fools under one roof can't be an coincidence.
On November 14 2011 02:34 Primadog wrote: How stupid do you have to be, to call Nazgul "no-name random." Even if you never heard of the team/site owner, you should at least noticed that Liquid' tag.
If AZKziek isn't Gus, I am even more worried about Team AZK. Two fools under one roof can't be an coincidence.
On November 14 2011 02:34 Primadog wrote: How stupid do you have to be, to call Nazgul "no-name random." Even if you never heard of the team/site owner, you should at least noticed that Liquid' tag.
If AZKziek isn't Gus, I am even more worried about Team AZK. Two fools under one roof can't be an coincidence.
This yes... I thought surely Gus was the only AZK member involved but this ziek person makes me think otherwise. I don't see how anyone, no matter what their relationship with Gus can support him now.
Also, pretty funny that he calls people "random no-names" when that's essentially what his clan is... a bunch of random no-names. Get over yourself buddy, no-one even knew about your little clan until you somehow conned sickness into joining.
EDIT: I'm not going to argue with anyone anymore on this thread, take it or leave it. I don't give a flying f*ck what you think. Follow the rumors / false accusations all you want.
When the truth comes out you're just going to look pathetic.
I would be happy to be made to look like a pathetic scrub. Just please give the girl her money and don't ruin her life.
Also insulting the teamliquid community for trying to stand up for the community its self and the people part of it is really foolish of you. We just want things resolved and right now Gus/AZK looks terrible in this entire situation and there is some girl whos life could be ruined because of the things you did. We are not idiots jumping on a bandwagon, we are trying to protect what we love and those who we care about.
Edit: How the fuck can you call Nazgul a "no-name random"...?
Yup I was pretty much going to say this in addition to saying that he does not understand PR. I guess he has no interest in making his team look good in any way by insulting everyone here, so it will be even more difficult to get support for them if this all blows over. If Gus does pay everyone, and then he is no longer associated with the team, we can still see the management is not very respectful to the people who eagerly want to make sure things go right since we all enjoy eSports. Meh.
On November 13 2011 20:00 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: My bad this was posted before it all happened. I hope Lof runs.
Basing the entire AZK Team off of an event that has no solid proof that there was any fraudulent behavior. Your support is truly breathtaking.
On November 13 2011 20:00 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: My bad this was posted before it all happened. I hope Lof runs.
Liquid`Nazgul
On November 14 2011 01:37 AZKziek wrote: I'm just sick of every no name random.
On November 14 2011 01:37 AZKziek wrote: no random scrub from the community that derps along with everyone else, and their stupid rumors.
Liquid`Nazgul
Oh boy. Looks like Gus wasn't the only one behind this mess.
For the past week or so, all Gus has been doing is repeating "There's two sides to a story" like a parrot. Actually, he did have time to write his grand "Thank you A,B,C,D,E,F, and we'll do better next time!" apology, he did have time to get "wasted by tasteless, daym", and apparently he did have enough time to go on Inside of the Game but most unfortunately his mic decided to go MIA. I highly doubt that whatever job Gus Ledesma has, it can possibly keep him from taking 15 minutes of his time to explain himself during the span of a week. He's been intentionally skirting around the issue as much as possible. Amanda/Clive/TheGunRun and his PPSL staff still haven't been paid. There is still zero believable excuse for what he did to YJY and Team Cube.
On November 14 2011 04:00 Chaosvuistje wrote: Oh dear..
Lof 's reputation will go from 'never heard of it' to tainted if they don't watch out.
Never heard? They were pretty big in WC3 and they were the guys who gave us polt so there may be something to them in SC2 I just hope they avoid the taint from Gus.
Lof just tied a boulder around their neck and jumped into a pool. Remember, Team AZK did not just screw over the SC2 scene, do not forget Honslaught, where HON players flew to the tournament to find out that there was no tournament. AZK did not just hurt SC2, it hurt HON and all of Esports.
Maybe someone should message Polt and ask him to warn his old clan of any shenanigans from AZK's side.
Okay, kidding aside, AZK's players aren't to blame. Too bad its management is so terrible, though, and having ziek in its line-up is, uhhhh, not that great for public relations. Lof should just get out and run for now.
On November 14 2011 04:25 Diamond wrote: Hehe I think I might spend some time on the Korean server today tracking down Lof and seeing if they really know what they are getting into....
They know as much as most of the TL members do because most of the contents have been translated to Korean and posted on PlayXP. So far, they've taken a cautious approach to this and I believe the clanmaster has asked his members to refrain from posting on this matter until they have heard back from AZK.
On November 14 2011 04:25 Diamond wrote: Hehe I think I might spend some time on the Korean server today tracking down Lof and seeing if they really know what they are getting into....
They know as much as most of the TL members do because most of the contents have been translated to Korean and posted on PlayXP. So far, they've taken a cautious approach to this and I believe the clanmaster has asked his members to refrain from posting on this matter until they have heard back from AZK.
On November 14 2011 04:25 Diamond wrote: Hehe I think I might spend some time on the Korean server today tracking down Lof and seeing if they really know what they are getting into....
They know as much as most of the TL members do because most of the contents have been translated to Korean and posted on PlayXP. So far, they've taken a cautious approach to this and I believe the clanmaster has asked his members to refrain from posting on this matter until they have heard back from AZK.
Excellent. Glad to see them informed about the situation, at the very least.
Getting kind of tired of this Gus this Gus that bullshit every thread. The community's bandwagon rage is starting to remind me of soccer hooligans picking fights after every match and pretending it's for the good of their team/ sport. Obviously the guy has made big mistakes, but no need to pretend a guy who's involved enough with the community to organise a tournament is some sort of antichrist.
There's a difference between fans and anti-fans. Fans are supportive, anti-fans just flame and hate everything they don't like. So maybe if you're a fan of eSports and you weren't actually shadowing Gus in the Philippines for the last month or so, you should wait until you have more information than hearsay to make a judgement. Maybe accept that people make mistakes and that they'll face the consequences without needing you to tell him you hate him like he smothered a box full of kittens in front of your eyes. Stop pretending hating Gus makes you a supporter of eSports, it just makes you a person who hates people that make mistakes.
On November 14 2011 04:25 Diamond wrote: Hehe I think I might spend some time on the Korean server today tracking down Lof and seeing if they really know what they are getting into....
They know as much as most of the TL members do because most of the contents have been translated to Korean and posted on PlayXP. So far, they've taken a cautious approach to this and I believe the clanmaster has asked his members to refrain from posting on this matter until they have heard back from AZK.
Never mind, that solves that. lol thanks ^^!
Actually, I'm not entirely sure if they also know about the Amanda/Clive/TGR 13k update as well. You might want to check on that if you can get in contact with them.
On November 14 2011 02:16 Utinni wrote: ya, it's not him, although if you are bored and you google zanooku and read some posts about this fellow in AZK he seems to be pretty BM and racist at times.
is zanooku still in GM? heard a funny story about him calling out KJH to fight him and here's the story recounted by someone who saw it all unfold (sorry about the formatting, FB chat sucks balls): Mark: lol well zanooku threatened to bash kjh and then kjh turned up so not all kjeyboard warriors shuld be taken lightly lol Me: ROFL when did that happen mark? is zanooku still a scrawny little guy? Mark: at elysium oin the weekend lol yup absolutly tiny was hilarious he was apparently beign racist to kjh Me: LOL Mark: called him out told him to show up so he could bash him with his 10 mates then kjh did turn up Me: ahahahahahahahahah Mark: with his twin brother and there both big dude s Me: that's so badass Mark: lol was so awkward all these nerds playign video games Me: so good Mark: then in he marches potato bails him up hardcore he poopy himjself his "10 boys" turned out to be one fat dude, and one skinny dude so not alot of help there but yeh only thing is zanooku could get him for assault if he wanted Me: AHAHAHAAHA Mark: i dont think he will though, his online personality took a pretty big battering from that i mean if he poopy talks again people just need to say "oh so ur gonna bash me like u did kjh at elysium??"
and first-person account from LabyriBlue's friend. + Show Spoiler +
basically his brother went right up to him and grabbed his shirt and demanded an apology, and zanooku was like "whoa what? i don't know who you are" and then KJH started naming all of the incidents where zan was spewing racism, and was saying "i want a ******* apology" zanooku ignorantly goes "i'm sorry, but i don't know who you are" and then KJH raised his fist, and that was when zanooku started looking down at his mousepad and playing with this hands and EveSigns went over to hold KJH back before he actually took a swing, and zanooku was trying to say "i wasn't being racist". that just made KJH and his brother even more angry, and started talking about how zanooku was a piss weak bitch at LAN etc etc then every time that KJH yelled about the racist events zan just says "that wasn't me", which caused Solis to yell "ZANOOKU YOU'RE NOT MAKING THIS BETTER FOR YOURSELF, JUST SHUT THE **** UP" and then KJH looked at zan's monitor and said "I don't even ******* play this game!" which completely broke the tension, and we all cracked up. but on their way out of the room, KJH told zan to never come to brisbane lan again or he'd get bashed for reali felt really sorry for the guy sitting next to me (phoneheha i think his alias was, nicest guy i've ever met) because he was playing a tournament match against HuT >.<
I need to do my essay now, but I had a good laugh.
Edit: good thing I don't look pathetic!
LOLWUT. I can't/won't believe everything I read, especially on the Internet, but that's fucking joke.
On an unrelated note, AZKZiek wanted to go on State of the Game to comment on the entire situation, because he felt "people who don't know the truth will just make things worse", as his comments on this thread agree with. It didn't go through, but I'm rather interested in what he would have said if it went through.
Seriously Matt, if you think your voice in this entire issue matters, enough that you should be watched by thousands of people in the eSPORTS community, an overwhelming majority of whom belong in the 'random no-name' category you so despise, you should speak up now. Make a post about it. Clear some shit up, because not commenting is the WORST thing you can do.
On November 14 2011 04:21 aFganFlyTrap wrote: whats been said about ziek aka zanooku is not just random internet bs.
he has an interview at 17:30 and gets confronted at about 20 minutes by kjh and his brother.
his posts in this thread just confirms how truely cluessless he really is.
Oh wut, that was fucking real?Well, shit just got entertaining.
I can't believe this is the same kid who wanted to get on State of the Game to speak about PPSL. I had a hunch that he just wanted his 15 seconds of fame, but it's fucking confirmed LOL.
On November 14 2011 04:40 Saechiis wrote: Getting kind of tired of this Gus this Gus that bullshit every thread. The community's bandwagon rage is starting to remind me of soccer hooligans picking fights after every match and pretending it's for the good of their team/ sport. Obviously the guy has made big mistakes, but no need to pretend a guy who's involved enough with the community to organise a tournament is some sort of antichrist.
There's a difference between fans and anti-fans. Fans are supportive, anti-fans just flame and hate everything they don't like. So maybe if you're a fan of eSports and you weren't actually shadowing Gus in the Philippines for the last month or so, you should wait until you have more information than hearsay to make a judgement. Maybe accept that people make mistakes and that they'll face the consequences without needing you to tell him you hate him like he smothered a box full of kittens in front of your eyes. Stop pretending hating Gus makes you a supporter of eSports, it just makes you a person who hates people that make mistakes.
We really shouldn't have to wait more than 48 hours for the "right" information. Regardless, who are you to tell people how to support the game they love? Let people say and think what they want to think.
are no name randoms. What about the people Gus still hasnt paid? Gunrun, amanda? they are STILL saying that they havent been paid and they dont chat bollocks like you or your buddy.
Gotta say i agree with that two fools comment..seriously stupid. And i cant stop laughing at you getting called out on your internet BM at a lan, how i wish every dick like you would be scared shitless like that.
On November 14 2011 04:40 Saechiis wrote: Getting kind of tired of this Gus this Gus that bullshit every thread. The community's bandwagon rage is starting to remind me of soccer hooligans picking fights after every match and pretending it's for the good of their team/ sport. Obviously the guy has made big mistakes, but no need to pretend a guy who's involved enough with the community to organise a tournament is some sort of antichrist.
There's a difference between fans and anti-fans. Fans are supportive, anti-fans just flame and hate everything they don't like. So maybe if you're a fan of eSports and you weren't actually shadowing Gus in the Philippines for the last month or so, you should wait until you have more information than hearsay to make a judgement. Maybe accept that people make mistakes and that they'll face the consequences without needing you to tell him you hate him like he smothered a box full of kittens in front of your eyes. Stop pretending hating Gus makes you a supporter of eSports, it just makes you a person who hates people that make mistakes.
There are some pretty big mistakes on the line here. Lots of money and even the potential for someone to go to jail because of those mistakes.
If he is too busy to fully devote himself to organizing a tournament properly, he should not have done so to begin with.
On November 14 2011 04:40 Saechiis wrote: Getting kind of tired of this Gus this Gus that bullshit every thread. The community's bandwagon rage is starting to remind me of soccer hooligans picking fights after every match and pretending it's for the good of their team/ sport. Obviously the guy has made big mistakes, but no need to pretend a guy who's involved enough with the community to organise a tournament is some sort of antichrist.
There's a difference between fans and anti-fans. Fans are supportive, anti-fans just flame and hate everything they don't like. So maybe if you're a fan of eSports and you weren't actually shadowing Gus in the Philippines for the last month or so, you should wait until you have more information than hearsay to make a judgement. Maybe accept that people make mistakes and that they'll face the consequences without needing you to tell him you hate him like he smothered a box full of kittens in front of your eyes. Stop pretending hating Gus makes you a supporter of eSports, it just makes you a person who hates people that make mistakes.
We really shouldn't have to wait more than 48 hours for the "right" information. Regardless, who are you to tell people how to support the game they love? Let people say and think what they want to think.
I'm saying hating random people isn't supporting the game you love, it's hating random people. And people thinking for themselves, or rather the lack thereof, is the problem. This irrational hurting eSports hivemind results in thousands of clueless people messaging a guy saying they hate him because they kinda figured he did something bad because the people in that TL thread seemed really angry too, so he must be the worst person to ever walk the face of the earth, riiight?
On November 14 2011 04:40 Saechiis wrote: Getting kind of tired of this Gus this Gus that bullshit every thread. The community's bandwagon rage is starting to remind me of soccer hooligans picking fights after every match and pretending it's for the good of their team/ sport. Obviously the guy has made big mistakes, but no need to pretend a guy who's involved enough with the community to organise a tournament is some sort of antichrist.
There's a difference between fans and anti-fans. Fans are supportive, anti-fans just flame and hate everything they don't like. So maybe if you're a fan of eSports and you weren't actually shadowing Gus in the Philippines for the last month or so, you should wait until you have more information than hearsay to make a judgement. Maybe accept that people make mistakes and that they'll face the consequences without needing you to tell him you hate him like he smothered a box full of kittens in front of your eyes. Stop pretending hating Gus makes you a supporter of eSports, it just makes you a person who hates people that make mistakes.
There are some pretty big mistakes on the line here. Lots of money and even the potential for someone to go to jail because of those mistakes.
If he is too busy to fully devote himself to organizing a tournament properly, he should not have done so to begin with.
Yeah, but you don't really know do you? On one hand Gus might have fled to Switzerland with the money he ripped from ESPORTS' dead hands to avoid a life sentence in Azkaban. Or, you know, maybe he didn't.
I agree with your second statement, and I'm guessing Gus does as well. That's how making mistakes works, do something dumb, damn, shouldn't that that dumb thing anymore, profit. No need to make a guy's life miserable pretending it's for the greater good.
On November 13 2011 20:00 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: My bad this was posted before it all happened. I hope Lof runs.
Basing the entire AZK Team off of an event that has no solid proof that there was any fraudulent behavior. Your support is truly breathtaking.
Your clan leader falling off the planet and leaving people who helped of their own volition to foot the several thousand dollar hotel bill, and completely ending a hon tournament with cash rewards and prizes not accounted for with no notification of cancellation are two pretty good cases of fraudulent behavior. don't be upset at us. Gus is a scammer and ruined your whole team's name. deal with him or deal with it
On November 14 2011 04:40 Saechiis wrote: Getting kind of tired of this Gus this Gus that bullshit every thread. The community's bandwagon rage is starting to remind me of soccer hooligans picking fights after every match and pretending it's for the good of their team/ sport. Obviously the guy has made big mistakes, but no need to pretend a guy who's involved enough with the community to organise a tournament is some sort of antichrist.
There's a difference between fans and anti-fans. Fans are supportive, anti-fans just flame and hate everything they don't like. So maybe if you're a fan of eSports and you weren't actually shadowing Gus in the Philippines for the last month or so, you should wait until you have more information than hearsay to make a judgement. Maybe accept that people make mistakes and that they'll face the consequences without needing you to tell him you hate him like he smothered a box full of kittens in front of your eyes. Stop pretending hating Gus makes you a supporter of eSports, it just makes you a person who hates people that make mistakes.
We really shouldn't have to wait more than 48 hours for the "right" information. Regardless, who are you to tell people how to support the game they love? Let people say and think what they want to think.
I'm saying hating random people isn't supporting the game you love, it's hating random people. And people thinking for themselves, or rather the lack thereof, is the problem. This irrational hurting eSports hivemind results in thousands of clueless people messaging a guy saying they hate him because they kinda figured he did something bad because the people in that TL thread seemed really angry too, so he must be the worst person to ever walk the face of the earth, riiight?
Okay, so if he (Gus) wanted to make things clear for everyone, he could have done so within 48 hours of his event ending. Here we are about a week later with the same opinions of him, and the same information, as when the event ended, because he hasn't come forward about anything.
Again, why do you care if the hivemind hates him? You think that is hurting ESPORTS, riiight?
giving scumbags a free pass just because you wanna act like a fucking hipster and point out people on the internet love to hate in a hive like fashion? riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...
On November 14 2011 04:40 Saechiis wrote: Getting kind of tired of this Gus this Gus that bullshit every thread. The community's bandwagon rage is starting to remind me of soccer hooligans picking fights after every match and pretending it's for the good of their team/ sport. Obviously the guy has made big mistakes, but no need to pretend a guy who's involved enough with the community to organise a tournament is some sort of antichrist.
There's a difference between fans and anti-fans. Fans are supportive, anti-fans just flame and hate everything they don't like. So maybe if you're a fan of eSports and you weren't actually shadowing Gus in the Philippines for the last month or so, you should wait until you have more information than hearsay to make a judgement. Maybe accept that people make mistakes and that they'll face the consequences without needing you to tell him you hate him like he smothered a box full of kittens in front of your eyes. Stop pretending hating Gus makes you a supporter of eSports, it just makes you a person who hates people that make mistakes.
We really shouldn't have to wait more than 48 hours for the "right" information. Regardless, who are you to tell people how to support the game they love? Let people say and think what they want to think.
I'm saying hating random people isn't supporting the game you love, it's hating random people. And people thinking for themselves, or rather the lack thereof, is the problem. This irrational hurting eSports hivemind results in thousands of clueless people messaging a guy saying they hate him because they kinda figured he did something bad because the people in that TL thread seemed really angry too, so he must be the worst person to ever walk the face of the earth, riiight?
You're completely snowballing. His actions did harm eSPORTS, just like the match-fixing scandal in Brood War. This isn't like the NFL, where if an individual has a scandal, it only affects a very small number of people. This particular case not only affected several people directly, it also indirectly affected a portion of the community - in this case, the Philippine eSPORTS scene and the SEA community as a whole. While I agree the incessant hate is disagreeable, it's understandable. People are passionate about this game. People are passionate about eSPORTS. People are passionate about Starcraft. We all want to see our favorites in tournaments, we all want to see MVP vs Nestea on live television casted by Tastosis in our countries' cable if possible. Something like this tarnishes that. It's human nature to respond at a different gradient. Think of a crime gone public - like that judge who beat his daughter for using the internet. What was the public reaction? Did it affect any of those people? Was the personal info of the judge posted on Reddit/YouTube and most community sites? The mass media talks about gaming obsession. They talk about people fainting because they play too long. "Nerds". "Geeks". "Losers". When a news outlet reports about a pro gamer, or the good of eSPORTS, everyone rejoices on Team Liquid. That's fucking passion. So yeah, while I agree that the hate that came out of this was big, it was in no way unwarranted.
On November 14 2011 04:40 Saechiis wrote: Getting kind of tired of this Gus this Gus that bullshit every thread. The community's bandwagon rage is starting to remind me of soccer hooligans picking fights after every match and pretending it's for the good of their team/ sport. Obviously the guy has made big mistakes, but no need to pretend a guy who's involved enough with the community to organise a tournament is some sort of antichrist.
There's a difference between fans and anti-fans. Fans are supportive, anti-fans just flame and hate everything they don't like. So maybe if you're a fan of eSports and you weren't actually shadowing Gus in the Philippines for the last month or so, you should wait until you have more information than hearsay to make a judgement. Maybe accept that people make mistakes and that they'll face the consequences without needing you to tell him you hate him like he smothered a box full of kittens in front of your eyes. Stop pretending hating Gus makes you a supporter of eSports, it just makes you a person who hates people that make mistakes.
We really shouldn't have to wait more than 48 hours for the "right" information. Regardless, who are you to tell people how to support the game they love? Let people say and think what they want to think.
I'm saying hating random people isn't supporting the game you love, it's hating random people. And people thinking for themselves, or rather the lack thereof, is the problem. This irrational hurting eSports hivemind results in thousands of clueless people messaging a guy saying they hate him because they kinda figured he did something bad because the people in that TL thread seemed really angry too, so he must be the worst person to ever walk the face of the earth, riiight?
Okay, so if he (Gus) wanted to make things clear for everyone, he could have done so within 48 hours of his event ending. Here we are about a week later with the same opinions of him, and the same information, as when the event ended, because he hasn't come forward about anything.
Again, why do you care if the hivemind hates him? You think that is hurting ESPORTS, riiight?
No, I just realize that Gus is an actual person and that he doesn't deserve to get such disproportionate hate.
There's only so many wrong things you can do, so many 'mistakes' you can make. We're way past that at this point. Actions speak louder than words, and neither action nor word were given. No one's asking you to join the 'hivemind of hate', but you really shouldn't tell people how to react.
On November 14 2011 04:40 Saechiis wrote: Getting kind of tired of this Gus this Gus that bullshit every thread. The community's bandwagon rage is starting to remind me of soccer hooligans picking fights after every match and pretending it's for the good of their team/ sport. Obviously the guy has made big mistakes, but no need to pretend a guy who's involved enough with the community to organise a tournament is some sort of antichrist.
There's a difference between fans and anti-fans. Fans are supportive, anti-fans just flame and hate everything they don't like. So maybe if you're a fan of eSports and you weren't actually shadowing Gus in the Philippines for the last month or so, you should wait until you have more information than hearsay to make a judgement. Maybe accept that people make mistakes and that they'll face the consequences without needing you to tell him you hate him like he smothered a box full of kittens in front of your eyes. Stop pretending hating Gus makes you a supporter of eSports, it just makes you a person who hates people that make mistakes.
We really shouldn't have to wait more than 48 hours for the "right" information. Regardless, who are you to tell people how to support the game they love? Let people say and think what they want to think.
I'm saying hating random people isn't supporting the game you love, it's hating random people. And people thinking for themselves, or rather the lack thereof, is the problem. This irrational hurting eSports hivemind results in thousands of clueless people messaging a guy saying they hate him because they kinda figured he did something bad because the people in that TL thread seemed really angry too, so he must be the worst person to ever walk the face of the earth, riiight?
Okay, so if he (Gus) wanted to make things clear for everyone, he could have done so within 48 hours of his event ending. Here we are about a week later with the same opinions of him, and the same information, as when the event ended, because he hasn't come forward about anything.
Again, why do you care if the hivemind hates him? You think that is hurting ESPORTS, riiight?
No, I just realize that Gus is an actual person and that he doesn't deserve to get such disproportionate hate.
On November 14 2011 04:40 Saechiis wrote: Getting kind of tired of this Gus this Gus that bullshit every thread. The community's bandwagon rage is starting to remind me of soccer hooligans picking fights after every match and pretending it's for the good of their team/ sport. Obviously the guy has made big mistakes, but no need to pretend a guy who's involved enough with the community to organise a tournament is some sort of antichrist.
There's a difference between fans and anti-fans. Fans are supportive, anti-fans just flame and hate everything they don't like. So maybe if you're a fan of eSports and you weren't actually shadowing Gus in the Philippines for the last month or so, you should wait until you have more information than hearsay to make a judgement. Maybe accept that people make mistakes and that they'll face the consequences without needing you to tell him you hate him like he smothered a box full of kittens in front of your eyes. Stop pretending hating Gus makes you a supporter of eSports, it just makes you a person who hates people that make mistakes.
We really shouldn't have to wait more than 48 hours for the "right" information. Regardless, who are you to tell people how to support the game they love? Let people say and think what they want to think.
I'm saying hating random people isn't supporting the game you love, it's hating random people. And people thinking for themselves, or rather the lack thereof, is the problem. This irrational hurting eSports hivemind results in thousands of clueless people messaging a guy saying they hate him because they kinda figured he did something bad because the people in that TL thread seemed really angry too, so he must be the worst person to ever walk the face of the earth, riiight?
Okay, so if he (Gus) wanted to make things clear for everyone, he could have done so within 48 hours of his event ending. Here we are about a week later with the same opinions of him, and the same information, as when the event ended, because he hasn't come forward about anything.
Again, why do you care if the hivemind hates him? You think that is hurting ESPORTS, riiight?
No, I just realize that Gus is an actual person and that he doesn't deserve to get such disproportionate hate.
Disproportionate? Have you been closely following this situation? Because it doesn't sound like you have.
On November 14 2011 04:40 Saechiis wrote: Getting kind of tired of this Gus this Gus that bullshit every thread. The community's bandwagon rage is starting to remind me of soccer hooligans picking fights after every match and pretending it's for the good of their team/ sport. Obviously the guy has made big mistakes, but no need to pretend a guy who's involved enough with the community to organise a tournament is some sort of antichrist.
There's a difference between fans and anti-fans. Fans are supportive, anti-fans just flame and hate everything they don't like. So maybe if you're a fan of eSports and you weren't actually shadowing Gus in the Philippines for the last month or so, you should wait until you have more information than hearsay to make a judgement. Maybe accept that people make mistakes and that they'll face the consequences without needing you to tell him you hate him like he smothered a box full of kittens in front of your eyes. Stop pretending hating Gus makes you a supporter of eSports, it just makes you a person who hates people that make mistakes.
He left multiple people footing a rather substantial bill and one person may be jailed because of that. I'm not sure how cute she is, but that's a little more on the smothering kittens side of things than you might be willing to accept.
On November 14 2011 04:40 Saechiis wrote: Getting kind of tired of this Gus this Gus that bullshit every thread. The community's bandwagon rage is starting to remind me of soccer hooligans picking fights after every match and pretending it's for the good of their team/ sport. Obviously the guy has made big mistakes, but no need to pretend a guy who's involved enough with the community to organise a tournament is some sort of antichrist.
There's a difference between fans and anti-fans. Fans are supportive, anti-fans just flame and hate everything they don't like. So maybe if you're a fan of eSports and you weren't actually shadowing Gus in the Philippines for the last month or so, you should wait until you have more information than hearsay to make a judgement. Maybe accept that people make mistakes and that they'll face the consequences without needing you to tell him you hate him like he smothered a box full of kittens in front of your eyes. Stop pretending hating Gus makes you a supporter of eSports, it just makes you a person who hates people that make mistakes.
We really shouldn't have to wait more than 48 hours for the "right" information. Regardless, who are you to tell people how to support the game they love? Let people say and think what they want to think.
I'm saying hating random people isn't supporting the game you love, it's hating random people. And people thinking for themselves, or rather the lack thereof, is the problem. This irrational hurting eSports hivemind results in thousands of clueless people messaging a guy saying they hate him because they kinda figured he did something bad because the people in that TL thread seemed really angry too, so he must be the worst person to ever walk the face of the earth, riiight?
On November 14 2011 04:40 Saechiis wrote: Getting kind of tired of this Gus this Gus that bullshit every thread. The community's bandwagon rage is starting to remind me of soccer hooligans picking fights after every match and pretending it's for the good of their team/ sport. Obviously the guy has made big mistakes, but no need to pretend a guy who's involved enough with the community to organise a tournament is some sort of antichrist.
There's a difference between fans and anti-fans. Fans are supportive, anti-fans just flame and hate everything they don't like. So maybe if you're a fan of eSports and you weren't actually shadowing Gus in the Philippines for the last month or so, you should wait until you have more information than hearsay to make a judgement. Maybe accept that people make mistakes and that they'll face the consequences without needing you to tell him you hate him like he smothered a box full of kittens in front of your eyes. Stop pretending hating Gus makes you a supporter of eSports, it just makes you a person who hates people that make mistakes.
There are some pretty big mistakes on the line here. Lots of money and even the potential for someone to go to jail because of those mistakes.
If he is too busy to fully devote himself to organizing a tournament properly, he should not have done so to begin with.
Yeah, but you don't really know do you? On one hand Gus might have fled to Switzerland with the money he ripped from ESPORTS' dead hands to avoid a life sentence in Azkaban. Or, you know, maybe he didn't.
I agree with your second statement, and I'm guessing Gus does as well. That's how making mistakes works, do something dumb, damn, shouldn't that that dumb thing anymore, profit. No need to make a guy's life miserable pretending it's for the greater good.
You're right, I don't know with absolute certainty whether the allegations are true. However, I would think that if the money wasn't an issue, he could come forward and answer them for the community so that we can put this issue to rest. He is not obviously the first person to make a gaffe but the way he is handling this is making himself an easy target to be a public enemy and thus open to criticism and much more.
The anger towards Gus is completely justified. Clearly you know him, and I know from experience that when someone you know well does something terrible you don't see them as a terrible person, you see them as a person that made mistakes. But for those of us that don't know him, what he's done is unacceptable. If he just put on a bad tournament, we'd all say "what an idiot, don't let him run a tournament again." But he's stolen from at least one of his sponsors (S2), promised flights and slots in the tournament to 5 people who he never delivered to and never notified that they wouldn't be going, didn't pay or feed the staff at the event as promised, didn't pay Seltzer or Tasteless' hotel bills, didn't pay for the bill he asked Clive to put on his card, didn't pay for the plane tickets resulting in someone possibly going to jail if the tickets aren't paid by the 21st, didn't pay the guy who ran the stream, AND ran a crappy event, which had to be saved by a group of people that weren't even organizers.
I get that you don't see Gus the way the rest of us do, but you should see that we're not an angry hive mind. Gus really screwed up, worse then anyone has in the history of eSports since that event in vegas back in 2003 or 2004. This is lying, cheating, misleading, mismanaging, stealing, and hanging people who trusted him out to dry. This behavior is atrocious, and if it took part in the states he'd already be in jail. You can't possibly defend him. Stop trying.
AZK zanooku/ziek is the worst person ever to try defend AZK, most bm player ever in sea. ziek, if u feel so much for AZK, you should just leave this team and give the community 1 less reason to hate them. my advice for you, quoting from the rock "KNOW YOUR ROLE AND SHUT YOUR MOUTH"
Just to clarify, no one should be taking AZKziek seriously. He's a little shit from Queensland who annoys people, trolls a bunch and thinks he's actually halfway decent at this game and that he doesn't get to show us because he's banned from all forums that get used to sign people up to events.
I wouldn't bother pissing on his opinions even if they were on fire.
Funny, so the first hand account of someone who was very much involved in the matter and even footed a fraction of the ginormous bill Gus's event racked up somehow isn't evidence of Gus's douchbaggery?
May not be as bad as slamming a bag of kittens into a wall, but I'd say when someone leaves a person with a $12K debt in the dark the least of things they are is an ass. So yeah why didn't Gus immediately contact them? Even just to reassure them that things will be handled?
On November 14 2011 04:40 Saechiis wrote: Getting kind of tired of this Gus this Gus that bullshit every thread. The community's bandwagon rage is starting to remind me of soccer hooligans picking fights after every match and pretending it's for the good of their team/ sport. Obviously the guy has made big mistakes, but no need to pretend a guy who's involved enough with the community to organise a tournament is some sort of antichrist.
There's a difference between fans and anti-fans. Fans are supportive, anti-fans just flame and hate everything they don't like. So maybe if you're a fan of eSports and you weren't actually shadowing Gus in the Philippines for the last month or so, you should wait until you have more information than hearsay to make a judgement. Maybe accept that people make mistakes and that they'll face the consequences without needing you to tell him you hate him like he smothered a box full of kittens in front of your eyes. Stop pretending hating Gus makes you a supporter of eSports, it just makes you a person who hates people that make mistakes.
We really shouldn't have to wait more than 48 hours for the "right" information. Regardless, who are you to tell people how to support the game they love? Let people say and think what they want to think.
I'm saying hating random people isn't supporting the game you love, it's hating random people. And people thinking for themselves, or rather the lack thereof, is the problem. This irrational hurting eSports hivemind results in thousands of clueless people messaging a guy saying they hate him because they kinda figured he did something bad because the people in that TL thread seemed really angry too, so he must be the worst person to ever walk the face of the earth, riiight?
On November 14 2011 04:40 Saechiis wrote: Getting kind of tired of this Gus this Gus that bullshit every thread. The community's bandwagon rage is starting to remind me of soccer hooligans picking fights after every match and pretending it's for the good of their team/ sport. Obviously the guy has made big mistakes, but no need to pretend a guy who's involved enough with the community to organise a tournament is some sort of antichrist.
There's a difference between fans and anti-fans. Fans are supportive, anti-fans just flame and hate everything they don't like. So maybe if you're a fan of eSports and you weren't actually shadowing Gus in the Philippines for the last month or so, you should wait until you have more information than hearsay to make a judgement. Maybe accept that people make mistakes and that they'll face the consequences without needing you to tell him you hate him like he smothered a box full of kittens in front of your eyes. Stop pretending hating Gus makes you a supporter of eSports, it just makes you a person who hates people that make mistakes.
There are some pretty big mistakes on the line here. Lots of money and even the potential for someone to go to jail because of those mistakes.
If he is too busy to fully devote himself to organizing a tournament properly, he should not have done so to begin with.
Yeah, but you don't really know do you? On one hand Gus might have fled to Switzerland with the money he ripped from ESPORTS' dead hands to avoid a life sentence in Azkaban. Or, you know, maybe he didn't.
I agree with your second statement, and I'm guessing Gus does as well. That's how making mistakes works, do something dumb, damn, shouldn't that that dumb thing anymore, profit. No need to make a guy's life miserable pretending it's for the greater good.
Terrible opinion man. God awful attitude.
There is no way to be 100% sure about anything in this world. Do you expect people to just sit on their hands and wait for perfect conformation? Thats a ridiculous notion. People get information from multiple sources about this scandal and the main perpetrators are no where to be found for a response to the whole ordeal. This means that its far more believable that all of this outcry is actually legit. But youre talking bullshit like "Yeah, but you dont really know do you?" If everyone thought the way you do nothing would ever get done. Getting mad and demanding answers that we deserve is a much better solution, seeing as AZK doesnt seem to be in any hurry to clear up the situation.
Youre trying to act like the "reasonable grown up" around here but youre just coming off as a whiny pacifist at best or an under-cover AZK fanboy at worst. These aren't anti-fans who are just hating on Gus. These are people whove heard news from multiple people directly affected by Gus's shady behavior. These people youre condescendingly lecturing are just angry that there has not been any reasonable explanation regarding any of the key issues. These "mistakes" youre referring to have such significant potential consequences, and yet you still demand that people sugarcoat their words? Unbelievable.
On November 14 2011 04:40 Saechiis wrote: Getting kind of tired of this Gus this Gus that bullshit every thread. The community's bandwagon rage is starting to remind me of soccer hooligans picking fights after every match and pretending it's for the good of their team/ sport. Obviously the guy has made big mistakes, but no need to pretend a guy who's involved enough with the community to organise a tournament is some sort of antichrist.
There's a difference between fans and anti-fans. Fans are supportive, anti-fans just flame and hate everything they don't like. So maybe if you're a fan of eSports and you weren't actually shadowing Gus in the Philippines for the last month or so, you should wait until you have more information than hearsay to make a judgement. Maybe accept that people make mistakes and that they'll face the consequences without needing you to tell him you hate him like he smothered a box full of kittens in front of your eyes. Stop pretending hating Gus makes you a supporter of eSports, it just makes you a person who hates people that make mistakes.
We really shouldn't have to wait more than 48 hours for the "right" information. Regardless, who are you to tell people how to support the game they love? Let people say and think what they want to think.
I'm saying hating random people isn't supporting the game you love, it's hating random people. And people thinking for themselves, or rather the lack thereof, is the problem. This irrational hurting eSports hivemind results in thousands of clueless people messaging a guy saying they hate him because they kinda figured he did something bad because the people in that TL thread seemed really angry too, so he must be the worst person to ever walk the face of the earth, riiight?
Okay, so if he (Gus) wanted to make things clear for everyone, he could have done so within 48 hours of his event ending. Here we are about a week later with the same opinions of him, and the same information, as when the event ended, because he hasn't come forward about anything.
Again, why do you care if the hivemind hates him? You think that is hurting ESPORTS, riiight?
No, I just realize that Gus is an actual person and that he doesn't deserve to get such disproportionate hate.
The people he swindled, the person who might go to jail...those guys are actual people too. They sure as fuck dont deserve the shit they got. "Actual people" is not an argument to calm people down here. The person who stole my friends car last week is an "actual person" too. Should we just be quiet and pray to the Almighty that maybe hell return the car? God forbid we actually get mad about the issue. Oh wait, we dont actually know 100% that my friend's car was actually stolen, maybe she just parked it somewhere, walked 5 miles to a bar, drank herself into a drunken stupor and then forgot about the whole thing and claimed the car to be stolen. In that case, we shouldnt even do anything because we dont even know for sure what even happened!
Oh and dont even bring up bullshit about esports or whatnot. I like esports, but thats not my gripe here. My problem is the idea of innocent, well-meaning people suffering because of the greedy actions of one douchebag. If he clears that all up, Im sure there will be kisses and hugs and apologies all around. But its been a long time without any good explanation, not even a denial or repudiation of the accusations. People are completely justified in their anger at Gus.
On November 14 2011 12:25 iaguz wrote: Just to clarify, no one should be taking AZKziek seriously. He's a little shit from Queensland who annoys people, trolls a bunch and thinks he's actually halfway decent at this game and that he doesn't get to show us because he's banned from all forums that get used to sign people up to events.
I wouldn't bother pissing on his opinions even if they were on fire.
The video of him bitching out when KJH confronts him is pure gold
What a big mistake by Lof. As long as AZK is run by gus, expect more shady behavior. Poor soulds.. hope they change their minds about AZK.
Imo, I will be boycotting anything to do with AZK and gus. Unless some radical management changes aka kicking gus out are made, I dont think AZK deserve any cred.
On November 14 2011 12:25 iaguz wrote: Just to clarify, no one should be taking AZKziek seriously. He's a little shit from Queensland who annoys people, trolls a bunch and thinks he's actually halfway decent at this game and that he doesn't get to show us because he's banned from all forums that get used to sign people up to events.
I wouldn't bother pissing on his opinions even if they were on fire.
i'm glad to see that team azk had some direction, but what happened may have been one of the most unfair of incidents relating to e-sports. if any of AZK are here reading, you should know that you'll need to put in a great deal of work if you ever want to be featured in TL.net news again...
On November 14 2011 13:10 ClaytonBigsby wrote: What a big mistake by Lof. As long as AZK is run by gus, expect more shady behavior. Poor soulds.. hope they change their minds about AZK.
Imo, I will be boycotting anything to do with AZK and gus. Unless some radical management changes aka kicking gus out are made, I dont think AZK deserve any cred.
to be fair it was the day before the shit hit the fan (or windmill) and apparently Lof is internally reconsidering how to gracefully exit this deal
EPT
.. btw I hope lof will run away :D![[image loading]](http://i53.tinypic.com/73fbyw.jpg)
