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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
And no Ghosts are not really a comeback unit,the common theme of comeback units is efficiency like in BW. 8 Ghosts can´t do much on their own, but 8 Hellions/vultures can put you back into the game. And well about BW being more entertaining than SC2(although I agree but I dont find SC2 bad at all) is like... your opinion dude. SC2 gets a lot of viewers atm which at least means some people find it entertaining enough | ||
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krell
United States109 Posts
I agree with the idea behind the post, but not the listing. As this guy said On October 06 2011 05:08 Bro_Stone wrote: Ghost isn't really a comeback unit... 10 ghosts vs a protoss army won't do anything without an ACTUAL army In my eyes, there are a only (and too few) comeback units. 1. High Templar 2. Infestor 3. banelings 4. Raven (possibly) Why only these two? Well, in a battle that is going extremely poorly for either side, say 150 food to 50 food battles. One or two of these units could instantly turn the tide. The fact that terran doesn't have a strong CBU is a problem in my opinion. It is what makes coming catching up with a P or Z's lead so difficult. (Only drops.. really) Anyways.. My two cents. | ||
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Rizell
Sweden237 Posts
On October 06 2011 05:10 Mafs wrote: I play chess and I HATE when people compare the 2. In chess there are come back moves, which make it much much more entertaining. Same with SC2. Nothing feels better then watching someone behind just dominate their opponent because they make perfect moves. And SC2 doesnt have CBU because that makes the comeback that much easier. You should be able to come back only if you outplay your opponent. Making infestors shouldn't instantly win the game unless the person has no counter. You dont understand this. | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
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Expurgate
United States208 Posts
Attempting to grade units based on their comeback potential is a very sloppy way of trying to understand a very complex system. It's like simplifying the economy down to a supply and demand graph, or car purchasing decisions to gas mileage. By comparing units strictly in terms of an invented metric, you ignore the incredible diversity of play that is possible only by thinking outside of traditional metrics. | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
DTs Warp Prism + Zealot Marines (good micro) Banelings (the best fucking comeback unit) HTs Cloaked Ghosts Admitedly the reaver is awesome, but there most certain are comeback units in SC2. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
Not all come back aspects are exactly units, some are more global, like repair and mules, shields, and burrow. Overall, no, I don't think SC2 lacks come back elements, the battles aren't very one-sided on average, especially compared to other games. The reason BW viewers may feel BW is more surprising is what Tyler mentioned on SotG that BW observing traditionally provides less information, so it's up to you to guess more and bite your nails, and you also get surprised more. I think SC2 obs are catching up in that aspect, it's not something that can't be improved. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
Infestor, mutalisks Warp Prism, DT, Sentries Void ray Those are likely the comeback untis of SC2 though a well times drop or sneak attack can do the same (as it can in BW) none can match the completely retarded scarab AI hype because it was that. stupid and random. of course people will be on edge watching it NO ONE not even the player using the reaver knows how it will turn out until it lands. and you can only do a little to minimalize the damage but most of the damage mitigation comes from luck. Stop lurkers are kind of true as a comeback thing but they reaaallly need to happen at a certain point in ZvT otherwise they reallty aren't a comeback unit they are just irrelevant once the science cloud comes into play. meh the games are pretty similar in this regard | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
Hellion - before nerf, yes, after, no. Tank - not anymore Colossus? nope, damage type not strong enough (like reaver) | ||
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
And any kind of units that force your opponent to micro is a comeback unit because.. if he don't micro, you're being cost efficient. :< ( baneling, storm, infestor, etc ) | ||
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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
Scourge would be something like a 6-7 on the comeback scale compared to an infestor. Because of it's huge instant damage it can turn things around almost instantly. The thing is, StarCraft 2 needs more units like that to make games more exciting and more dynamic with more potential for comeback if units are used well. The nerf of high templar storm is understandable and needed, but as you show, it turns storm from a comeback level of 6 to 2, and into a lackluster spell with very little potential. | ||
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ALPINA
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Superneenja
United States154 Posts
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Rob28
Canada705 Posts
On October 06 2011 04:24 Endymion wrote: Funnily enough I don't think terran really has a "comeback unit" vs zerg, it's usually a much more gradual comeback of winning battle after battle and having their marine/tank count not fall. I guess hellions if you don't see them being dropped, but any competant Zerg will. If a Terran is behind they're just fucked, just like if a Zerg is behind they're fucked too (in zvt for both races anyways). Some would say sniping ghosts or cloaked banshees are the terran comeback unit vs zerg. By "some", I mean "me". | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 06 2011 05:52 Superneenja wrote: I don't see how Ghosts are a comeback unit... =X I dunno, the ability to take away 150 shields on multiple units? It effectively does more damage than fungal growth... Fungal does like 30-40dmg during its hold time. EMP=150 instantly. the DPS on it is way higher, and makes your units way more effective. It also shuts down any HT and Infestor play, the enemy has invested into their army. Not to mention a lucky nuke = MAJOR COMEBACK. | ||
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QTIP.
United States2113 Posts
On October 06 2011 05:58 wei2coolman wrote: I dunno, the ability to take away 150 shields on multiple units? It effectively does more damage than fungal growth... Fungal does like 30-40dmg during its hold time. EMP=150 instantly. the DPS on it is way higher, and makes your units way more effective. It also shuts down any HT and Infestor play, the enemy has invested into their army. Not to mention a lucky nuke = MAJOR COMEBACK. Isn't it 100 shield? | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 06 2011 05:55 Rob28 wrote: Some would say sniping ghosts or cloaked banshees are the terran comeback unit vs zerg. By "some", I mean "me". ^I agree. Ghosts shut down tier 3 zerg units fairly hard. Not to mention medivac + 8 marines = epic comeback, reference MLG in that MMA vs Losira match. | ||
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