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On August 16 2011 22:38 Yaotzin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 22:37 yeint wrote:On August 16 2011 22:33 Sergio! wrote:On August 16 2011 22:25 R3demption wrote:On August 16 2011 22:16 Tantaburs wrote:On August 16 2011 22:15 spawnzero wrote:On August 16 2011 22:13 yeint wrote:On August 16 2011 22:01 Krainer wrote:On August 16 2011 21:58 Stijx wrote:On August 16 2011 21:54 Krainer wrote:
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I already am.
But I will become a Huk hater. I just pray that it doesn't come to that. That's really sad. A sellout is a sellout. Plain and simple. A professional gamer moving to a new team once his contract is up is not "selling out". The term "sellout" is used for artists who sacrifice their artistic integrity in order to appeal to larger audiences. / Using it in this context is absolutely juvenile. And by "juvenile", I mean that you appear to be about 12 years old, and treat Team Liquid as some sort of league of superheroes, instead of the professional gaming team that it is. Very true statement. If, for example, Peyton Manning were traded/resigned to say the Dolphins for way more money (for god knows what reason), people wouldn't be like OMG what a sellout fuck him!!! They'd just see it as "Wow, sucks for the colts but good for him he's making way more money." To be fair colts fans may well call him a sellout The real question is: Is it fair to judge a professional for changing teams for a greater opportunity? Come on, its a fact of life in sports, players just want the best for themselves and the fans will think what they want about it. The manner in which they leave the team could very well be looked down upon however: think Lebron James and that whole Heat party as soon as he left the Cavs. But if a player leaves respectfully and honorably I cant help but feel good about it. When a player is comfortable and where he wants to be, he performs his best IMO. Like Ben Wallace leaving the Pistons for the Bulls? For future ingame success, does anyone think being on EG is better than being on OGSTL? Do you think being on OGSTL will guarantee that Huk becomes a bonjwa who makes 200-300k a year? Because signing to another team for 80k a year (random number pulled out of ass) would guarantee that he makes 80k a year. If you honestly think that striving for skill for skill's sake while being provided food and shelter is preferable to making good money, then there's an honest difference of opinion that cannot be argued over. If making good money was your goal in life you'd never have become an SC2 progamer though. There are many, many jobs that make more. Like flipping burgers.
I'm pretty sure most salaried EG players make a fuckton more than burger flippers.
But you're presenting a false dichotomy. What if you could make good (enough) money playing competitive SC2? Why does it have to be an either/or?
It's not like I'm saying people get into progaming for the money. They get into it because they love playing. But when making decisions about what team you're going to be playing with, money should definitely be an important factor, since you are spending the best years of your life on this activity.
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On August 16 2011 22:41 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 22:40 Arcanne wrote:
Lets make this the biggest thread in TL history Why?
don't worry this thread will die in a couple of hours.
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On August 16 2011 22:40 Arcanne wrote:
Lets make this the biggest thread in TL history
Lol, I'm not sure what the biggest is, but I'm sure this thread won't get another- oh I dunno- say 1k pages. the Kpopmusic thread is around 1k more if I remember correctly.
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On August 16 2011 22:39 Bashnek wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I don't see why any of koreans don't want to get a house in the USA, more prizemoney to be made? And wayyy more money from sponsors... the fanbase is what wins in the USA sooo why haven't any moved over to earn some easy $$$. Wtf mate?
The more prizemoney to be made is a myth. go look at the top earners for SC2 they are al korean.
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yes but to win any money in Korea from prizes you have to WIN GSL, in EU and US you tend to get prizes for coming in positions other than 1st aswell[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure just RO32 of Code A nets you about $1500, it goes up depending where you place, and I'm assuming code S is a shitton more.[spoiler]
Actually WINNING Code A nets you about $1500, pretty much the same as going out of Code S first round.
Winning Code S gives you ~46k, placing second gets you ~$18k.
"Prizepool :
1st: 50,000,000KRW (~32,000EUR, 46,000USD)
2nd: 20,000,000KRW (~13,000EUR, 18,500USD)
Ro4: 5,000,000KRW (~3,200EUR, 4,500USD)
Ro8: 3,000,000KRW (~1,900EUR, 2,800USD)
Ro16: 2,000,000KRW (~1,300EUR, 1,850USD)
Ro32: 1,500,000KRW (~1,000EUR, 1,400USD)"
That's Code S.[/QUOTE]
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On August 16 2011 22:41 Jyvblamo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 22:40 Arcanne wrote:
Lets make this the biggest thread in TL history You guys are a bit under halfway there.
Around a third of just SotG thread.
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On August 16 2011 22:36 Yaotzin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 22:33 Tantaburs wrote:On August 16 2011 22:33 bloken wrote:
I don't see why any of koreans don't want to get a house in the USA, more prizemoney to be made? And wayyy more money from sponsors... the fanbase is what wins in the USA sooo why haven't any moved over to earn some easy $$$. Wtf mate? The more prizemoney to be made is a myth. go look at the top earners for SC2 they are al korean. Yep and second up is Europeans. There's very little money in NA. Just NASL really, and that's online.
There may not be prize money but there is salary and contracts, that is where the money is in NA. Idra make more then most code Sers snas big name earners like nestea, MC ect. He said himself that prize money just like an added bounes to him.
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On August 16 2011 22:41 Papulatus wrote:
I hope the announcement doesnt turn out to be an announcement of an announcement.
Maybe its a countdown to a countdown to an announcement.
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On August 16 2011 22:39 Bashnek wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I don't see why any of koreans don't want to get a house in the USA, more prizemoney to be made? And wayyy more money from sponsors... the fanbase is what wins in the USA sooo why haven't any moved over to earn some easy $$$. Wtf mate?
The more prizemoney to be made is a myth. go look at the top earners for SC2 they are al korean.
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yes but to win any money in Korea from prizes you have to WIN GSL, in EU and US you tend to get prizes for coming in positions other than 1st aswell [/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure just RO32 of Code A nets you about $1500, it goes up depending where you place, and I'm assuming code S is a shitton more.[spoiler]
Actually WINNING Code A nets you about $1500, pretty much the same as going out of Code S first round.
Winning Code S gives you ~46k, placing second gets you ~$18k.
"Prizepool :
1st: 50,000,000KRW (~32,000EUR, 46,000USD)
2nd: 20,000,000KRW (~13,000EUR, 18,500USD)
Ro4: 5,000,000KRW (~3,200EUR, 4,500USD)
Ro8: 3,000,000KRW (~1,900EUR, 2,800USD)
Ro16: 2,000,000KRW (~1,300EUR, 1,850USD)
Ro32: 1,500,000KRW (~1,000EUR, 1,400USD)"
That's Code S.[/QUOTE]
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On August 16 2011 22:41 Papulatus wrote:
I hope the announcement doesnt turn out to be an announcement of an announcement.
Yeah, that would really kill it. People won't stay hyped that long.
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On August 16 2011 22:42 Rinrun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 22:40 Arcanne wrote:
Lets make this the biggest thread in TL history Lol, I'm not sure what the biggest is, but I'm sure this thread won't get another- oh I dunno- say 1k pages. the K popmusic thread is around 1k more if I remember correctly.
SOTG has 1400-1500ish by now
a MLG LR thread passed 1k before
IdrA fanclub at like 980
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On August 16 2011 22:41 mnck wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 22:39 Elite__ wrote:On August 16 2011 22:36 Mungosh wrote:On August 16 2011 22:35 Buzerio wrote:On August 16 2011 22:33 Tantaburs wrote:On August 16 2011 22:33 bloken wrote:
I don't see why any of koreans don't want to get a house in the USA, more prizemoney to be made? And wayyy more money from sponsors... the fanbase is what wins in the USA sooo why haven't any moved over to earn some easy $$$. Wtf mate? The more prizemoney to be made is a myth. go look at the top earners for SC2 they are al korean. yes but to win any money in Korea from prizes you have to WIN GSL, in EU and US you tend to get prizes for coming in positions other than 1st aswell No, that's just plain false. Look at MKP's earnings. marineking has been in 3 gsl finals >.> thats still at least about 10k per finals most of the koreans at the top of the earnings list are gsl finalists Please know what you are talking about. http://www.sc2earnings.com/MKP as 5th highest earning player. Any foreigner is still pretty far from coming close to his earnings.
uhh, i do know what i'm talking about, thats why i mentioned that marineking has been in 3 gsl finals, hence being a very high earner in the korean scene
i don't see what your point is
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On August 16 2011 22:39 tabbott26 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 22:33 Tantaburs wrote:On August 16 2011 22:33 bloken wrote:
I don't see why any of koreans don't want to get a house in the USA, more prizemoney to be made? And wayyy more money from sponsors... the fanbase is what wins in the USA sooo why haven't any moved over to earn some easy $$$. Wtf mate? The more prizemoney to be made is a myth. go look at the top earners for SC2 they are al korean. Yeah, Nestea has won close to $200k... The only thing in the US is where MLG is $5k for one weekend... In comparison, Code S is about $50k for 1st place this season!
MLG's main event (Providence) is $50k for first place.
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On August 16 2011 22:22 Togana wrote:
No obviously the new team in korea is gonna be called "Special Tactics Squadron"
No, its going the be Special Tactics Division and go by the _STD handle tagline. Then they will do us all a solid and acquire Virus_STD.
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On August 16 2011 22:40 Arcanne wrote:
Lets make this the biggest thread in TL history
How many pages is that? I know the automated ban list is ~850...
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If id war Sirscoots i would sack everyone except maybe idra their roster is utter mediocre.
I cant believe they get paid
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On August 16 2011 22:42 Rinrun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 22:40 Arcanne wrote:
Lets make this the biggest thread in TL history Lol, I'm not sure what the biggest is, but I'm sure this thread won't get another- oh I dunno- say 1k pages. the K popmusic thread is around 1k more if I remember correctly.
1539 at the time of writing.. That thread > Everything else.
Regarding the announcement.. I dunno. I'm curious but will not be happy if it involved HuK leaving.
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On August 16 2011 22:37 yeint wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 22:33 Sergio! wrote:On August 16 2011 22:25 R3demption wrote:On August 16 2011 22:16 Tantaburs wrote:On August 16 2011 22:15 spawnzero wrote:On August 16 2011 22:13 yeint wrote:On August 16 2011 22:01 Krainer wrote:On August 16 2011 21:58 Stijx wrote:On August 16 2011 21:54 Krainer wrote:On August 16 2011 21:48 Abrafred wrote:
anyone else becoming an EG hater after this? I already am. But I will become a Huk hater. I just pray that it doesn't come to that. That's really sad. A sellout is a sellout. Plain and simple. A professional gamer moving to a new team o/nce his contract is up is not "selling out". The term "sellout" is used for artists who sacrifice their artistic integrity in order to appeal to larger audiences. / Using it in this context is absolutely juvenile. And by "juvenile", I mean that you appear to be about 12 years old, and treat Team Liquid as some sort of league of superheroes, instead of the professional gaming team that it is. Very true statement. If, for example, Peyton Manning were traded/resigned to say the Dolphins for way more money (for god knows what reason), people wouldn't be like OMG what a sellout fuck him!!! They'd just see it as "Wow, sucks for the colts but good for him he's making way more money." To be fair colts fans may well call him a sellout The real question is: Is it fair to judge a professional for changing teams for a greater opportunity? Come on, its a fact of life in sports, players just want the best for themselves and the fans will think what they want about it. The manner in which they leave the team could very well be looked down upon however: think Lebron James and that whole Heat party as soon as he left the Cavs. But if a player leaves respectfully and honorably I cant help but feel good about it. When a player is comfortable and where he wants to be, he performs his best IMO. Like Ben Wallace leaving the Pistons for the Bulls? For future ingame success, does anyone think being on EG is better than being on OGSTL? Do you think being on OGSTL will guarantee that Huk becomes a bonjwa who makes 200-300k a year? Because signing to another team for 80k a year (random number pulled out of ass) would guarantee that he makes 80k a year. If you honestly think that striving for skill for skill's sake while being provided food and shelter is preferable to making good money, then there's an honest difference of opinion that cannot be argued over.
That's not written anywhere in my post. I'm clarifying it for people who think it's about anything but the Benjamin's.
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On August 16 2011 22:44 tabbott26 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 22:40 Arcanne wrote:
Lets make this the biggest thread in TL history How many pages is that? I know the automated ban list is ~850...
The irony is that any concerted effort to make this thread longer will probably make the ABL longer too.
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On August 16 2011 22:43 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 22:39 tabbott26 wrote:On August 16 2011 22:33 Tantaburs wrote:On August 16 2011 22:33 bloken wrote:
I don't see why any of koreans don't want to get a house in the USA, more prizemoney to be made? And wayyy more money from sponsors... the fanbase is what wins in the USA sooo why haven't any moved over to earn some easy $$$. Wtf mate? The more prizemoney to be made is a myth. go look at the top earners for SC2 they are al korean. Yeah, Nestea has won close to $200k... The only thing in the US is where MLG is $5k for one weekend... In comparison, Code S is about $50k for 1st place this season! MLG's main event (Providence) is $50k for first place.
And that happened once this year.
The GSL is pretty much paying out 1 million in prize money over the course of a year.
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