I am a fanboy of SCBW progamers so I play the game that my idols play (6)
10%
My Computer is not good enough to handle SCII (4)
7%
I think SCII is imbalanced (2)
3%
60 total votes
Your vote: Why do you still play SCBW
(Vote): It requires more skills that SCII (Vote): My Computer is not good enough to handle SCII (Vote): I am a fanboy of SCBW progamers so I play the game that my idols play (Vote): I think SCII is imbalanced (Vote): Other (Please explain)
EDIT:: Please close this thread, I didn't realize I appeared as a troll to a lot of the BW members. I'll reluctantly take a ban if it was really that hurtful to you guys. I apologize if it seemed like I denigrated the game that you guys play and love.
EDIT: I came at peace but it seems that I am not liked by the BW crew, mods may definitely close this if it gets out of hand.
So it's been around a year now since the release of SCII and I see that there are still copious BW fans and a few players. From a SCII player's perspective, I don't get it and I would like to understand the reasons why you guys still play BW rather than SCII.
The reason for this is because I think I might have an ultimate solution to rescue the livelihood of those playing BW professionally but I kind of don't want to tell anyone because that would only continue to cause divisiveness in our community.
Also, I searched some keywords and it seems that we haven't had this poll before. Please don't crucify aka banhammer me if there has been. I really did try to take precautionary measures.
On July 04 2011 17:15 kalany wrote: The reason for this is because I think I might have an ultimate solution to rescue the livelihood of those playing BW professionally but I kind of don't want to tell anyone because that would only continue to cause divisiveness in our community.
The only people who play BW professionally are Koreans and they don't need your help.
Others: ----------- Its more fun, more epic, more balanced, requires more skills than sc2, My Computer is not good enough to handle SCII, I am a fanboy of SCBW progamers so I play the game that my idols play, I think SCII is imbalanced. Btw, its graphic is like classic cars, beautiful and timeless.
Even if I have sc2, I focus on BW. I can play both, but heart is at BW.
The game is more fun. Also there is noone in the foreign community playing BW professionally anymore. only in korea, and they dont need saving, they're doing fine
Aesthetically BW is much more vibrant than SC2, with the colours and everything. In SC2 anything short of a grassland tileset is gloomy and dark and hard to see.
On July 04 2011 17:16 Tenhou wrote: Others: Because it's more fun.
I don't get it though. How is it more fun? Visually, it hurts my eyes just watching BW now.
Honest, only if I were an ascetic, would I play BW
We've been playing sc for a long time now so we're used to it, it doesn't hurt our eye.
I played sc2 during beta up to 2 months after release, it isn't fun to me then why must I play it? I play up to 2 months thinking it might get better for me, but losing a game on iccup is more fun to be than winning a diamond game back then.
On July 04 2011 17:16 Tenhou wrote: Others: Because it's more fun.
I don't get it though. How is it more fun? Visually, it hurts my eyes just watching BW now.
Honest, only if I were an ascetic, would I play BW
Out of curiosity, how old are you?
I grew up with these graphics, so to speak. Where I used to live we didn't have good enough computers to even run Warcraft III (well very few people did), so my friends and I used to LAN on money maps.
It's definitely more fun to play BW. The dynamics are more interesting and the fights are more epic.
And before you ask, yes I have played SC2. I got the game on the first day of release. I beat the campaign within 3 days and I played 50 games on ladder before regretting not playing on Iccup before. It has a high production value but the gameplay-wise it's not as great as BW.
Why isn't this in your poll. Every gamer should want to play a game that's been actively played for 13 years. Can't believe this is one of your options.
since this is clearly a bw vs sc2 thread, i'll add that bw has been fun for me for years, while i only had fun with sc2 for a couple months before i didn't want to play anymore
On July 04 2011 17:19 Kiante wrote: The game is more fun. Also there is noone in the foreign community playing BW professionally anymore. only in korea, and they dont need saving, they're doing fine
Dude....don't try to have this debate with me man. You can't say that SCBW isn't going to dissipate as soon as contracts expire and key star players (Flash, Jaedong, Bisu) enlist in the military. Didn't Hite and some other team get absorbed already?
I don't know man....it's not looking good for you guys.
On July 04 2011 17:16 Tenhou wrote: Others: Because it's more fun.
I don't get it though. How is it more fun? Visually, it hurts my eyes just watching BW now.
Honest, only if I were an ascetic, would I play BW
Out of curiosity, how old are you?
I grew up with these graphics, so to speak. Where I used to live we didn't have good enough computers to even run Warcraft III (well very few people did), so my friends and I used to LAN on money maps.
It's definitely more fun to play BW. The dynamics are more interesting and the fights are more epic.
Owh lol~I was about to ask this question as well You must be those people who are all in graphics. Not that we dont appreciate good graphics, we know how to appreciate good gameplay.
On July 04 2011 17:19 Kiante wrote: The game is more fun. Also there is noone in the foreign community playing BW professionally anymore. only in korea, and they dont need saving, they're doing fine
Dude....don't try to have this debate with me man. You can't say that SCBW isn't going to dissipate as soon as contracts expire and key star players (Flash, Jaedong, Bisu) enlist in the military. Didn't Hite and some other team get absorbed already?
I don't know man....it's not looking good for you guys.
It seems like this is your only thought and you're here to troll the BW community, I hope you get banned.
On July 04 2011 17:16 Tenhou wrote: Others: Because it's more fun.
I don't get it though. How is it more fun? Visually, it hurts my eyes just watching BW now.
If you're one of those "good graphics = good game" kids that swallow every new EA release, it will be hard to understand why we still play this game. Ignore this if that wasn't what you meant. actually this is what you mean, lol
For me, the game is more challenging, the units have more personality, and I enjoy watching pros pull off maneuvers that I know I could never do. Also I personally hate how the SC2 units look, all 3D-ishly cartoony and smooth :|
On July 04 2011 17:19 Kiante wrote: The game is more fun. Also there is noone in the foreign community playing BW professionally anymore. only in korea, and they dont need saving, they're doing fine
Dude....don't try to have this debate with me man. You can't say that SCBW isn't going to dissipate as soon as contracts expire and key star players (Flash, Jaedong, Bisu) enlist in the military. Didn't Hite and some other team get absorbed already?
I don't know man....it's not looking good for you guys.
It's clear you don't know what you're talking about. Also that last line feels pretty trollish.
On July 04 2011 17:19 Kiante wrote: The game is more fun. Also there is noone in the foreign community playing BW professionally anymore. only in korea, and they dont need saving, they're doing fine
Dude....don't try to have this debate with me man. You can't say that SCBW isn't going to dissipate as soon as contracts expire and key star players (Flash, Jaedong, Bisu) enlist in the military. Didn't Hite and some other team get absorbed already?
I don't know man....it's not looking good for you guys.
You dont really know the scene do you? I have Korean friends, and from what I observed, it is not just the TBLS that is the reason for pro-BW to still exist.
Haha, nah. I actually play SCII in lowest settings because it does get distracting. But as a watcher of pro matches, I like the graphics to be souped up. You can blame that on the 27" Samsung HDTV I purchased before I went to college which probably gives away my age too.
At this point, I feel like a Christian trying to convert a Jew
BW has more action IMO. The only real action match in SC2 is probably TvT, where both sides have plenty of opportunity to pressure, turtle, have a defenders advantage, harass, and be able to do multipronged attacks effectively. You rarely see this in any of the other match ups in SC2.
This poll is an insult to everyone who still plays BW, i cant understand what was going through your mind when you posted this. The reason we play it is because we like it better, why else...
because it's the better game in terms of strategic depth, graphics, sound and fun level.
13 years of developing strategy, with still new strategies and builds popping out once in a while. that goes to say something.
i honestly prefer sc:bw graphics over the sc2 3D clusterfuck that it is. it's not easily distinguishable and everything blends in way too perfectly into the background.
sound in bw is crisp. just compare a peak battle period's sound over SC2's. every attack, every unit death, every spell cast is crisp in bw. makes you feel more real and into the game.
and lastly, it's just more fun and challenging.
judging from your posts, OP, you're just out here to troll the BW community. haters gonna hate.
On July 04 2011 17:29 kalany wrote: At this point, I feel like a Christian trying to convert a Jew
yes you should, now someone close this blasphemy of a thread
On July 04 2011 17:29 setzer wrote: Troll OP. Please close this, his only intention is to argue with people and make his points about how stupid people are to follow/play BW and not SC2.
What the heck?
Okay, the reason I ask this is because I have a solution to protect the livelihoods of pro BW players. I think I'll reveal it now because you guys are accusing me of things.
I think KESPA should contract a really good mapmaker and get him to recreate SCBW on SCII engine. Hence, the game improves graphically but the gameplay remains the same.
On July 04 2011 17:29 setzer wrote: Troll OP. Please close this, his only intention is to argue with people and make his points about how stupid people are to follow/play BW and not SC2.
What the heck?
Okay, the reason I ask this is because I have a solution to protect the livelihoods of pro BW players. I think I'll reveal it now because you guys are accusing me of things.
I think KESPA should contract a really good mapmaker and get him to recreate SCBW on SCII engine. Hence, the game improves graphically but the gameplay remains the same.
lol you gotta be joking
in what way does "the livelihoods of pro BW players" need to be protected? what do you know about the BW pro scene anyway?
On July 04 2011 17:29 setzer wrote: Troll OP. Please close this, his only intention is to argue with people and make his points about how stupid people are to follow/play BW and not SC2.
What the heck? Okay, the reason I ask this is because I have a solution to protect the livelihoods of pro BW players. I think I'll reveal it now because you guys are accusing me of things.
I think KESPA should contract a really good mapmaker and get him to recreate SCBW on SCII engine. Hence, the game improves graphically but the gameplay remains the same.
Translation: BW pros should move over to SC2 because that is the more popular game.
I play BW still because it can run on all of my computers. But more honestly I don't feel like moving onto a new game, especially since I have not to a serious degree have mastery in playing BW.
In a way it is pride, and in another way I do not feel like moving on. I still have a lot of attachments to a lot of the players in the scene. However I sometimes enjoy watching SC2 even if I do not play it.
Occasionally I will watch when old school gamers like Boxer, Nada, or July but also players like Naniwa, MC, MKP, TLO, and a bunch of other creative and enterprising players (and sometimes controversial guys like Idra just for the drama factor).
On July 04 2011 17:29 setzer wrote: Troll OP. Please close this, his only intention is to argue with people and make his points about how stupid people are to follow/play BW and not SC2.
What the heck?
Okay, the reason I ask this is because I have a solution to protect the livelihoods of pro BW players. I think I'll reveal it now because you guys are accusing me of things.
I think KESPA should contract a really good mapmaker and get him to recreate SCBW on SCII engine. Hence, the game improves graphically but the gameplay remains the same.
On July 04 2011 17:29 setzer wrote: Troll OP. Please close this, his only intention is to argue with people and make his points about how stupid people are to follow/play BW and not SC2.
What the heck?
Okay, the reason I ask this is because I have a solution to protect the livelihoods of pro BW players. I think I'll reveal it now because you guys are accusing me of things.
I think KESPA should contract a really good mapmaker and get him to recreate SCBW on SCII engine. Hence, the game improves graphically but the gameplay remains the same.
I bought SC:BW just to understand how protoss works after watching some VOD of Stork playing. That's when I started viewing live streams of Proleague and the 2 Starleagues regularly. With that said, I do not play BW anymore(didn't even complete the campaign missions), and I do not even own a copy of SC2.
There's something magical about BW compared to SC2. Be it the team atmosphere, the audience, the korean casters, the history of it et cetera.
On July 04 2011 17:29 setzer wrote: Troll OP. Please close this, his only intention is to argue with people and make his points about how stupid people are to follow/play BW and not SC2.
What the heck?
Okay, the reason I ask this is because I have a solution to protect the livelihoods of pro BW players. I think I'll reveal it now because you guys are accusing me of things.
I think KESPA should contract a really good mapmaker and get him to recreate SCBW on SCII engine. Hence, the game improves graphically but the gameplay remains the same.
On July 04 2011 17:29 setzer wrote: Troll OP. Please close this, his only intention is to argue with people and make his points about how stupid people are to follow/play BW and not SC2.
What the heck?
Okay, the reason I ask this is because I have a solution to protect the livelihoods of pro BW players. I think I'll reveal it now because you guys are accusing me of things.
I think KESPA should contract a really good mapmaker and get him to recreate SCBW on SCII engine. Hence, the game improves graphically but the gameplay remains the same.
It's actually been done, but it's simply not going to ever work as well. Besides, the graphics of BW are perfect. That and Red Alert 2 are the only games I know that did graphics as well as they could possibly be done. I personally don't find the graphics of SC2 to be an improvement at all.
On July 04 2011 17:29 setzer wrote: Troll OP. Please close this, his only intention is to argue with people and make his points about how stupid people are to follow/play BW and not SC2.
What the heck?
Okay, the reason I ask this is because I have a solution to protect the livelihoods of pro BW players. I think I'll reveal it now because you guys are accusing me of things.
I think KESPA should contract a really good mapmaker and get him to recreate SCBW on SCII engine. Hence, the game improves graphically but the gameplay remains the same.
Even though I grew up with bad graphics, I can't play BW anymore unless I'm with my friends in a PC bang. I just suck at the game and it takes way more time than I have to get good.
However playing the game is a total nostalgia trip for me, thats why I play
On July 04 2011 17:29 setzer wrote: Troll OP. Please close this, his only intention is to argue with people and make his points about how stupid people are to follow/play BW and not SC2.
What the heck?
Okay, the reason I ask this is because I have a solution to protect the livelihoods of pro BW players. I think I'll reveal it now because you guys are accusing me of things.
I think KESPA should contract a really good mapmaker and get him to recreate SCBW on SCII engine. Hence, the game improves graphically but the gameplay remains the same.
LOOOOOOOOOOOL
I really don't get it. Will recreating SCBW on SCII really destroy the integrity of the game? I've seen TLAttack where Sheth plays the BW maps on SCII and it seems like it has got a lot of potential. Everything from MBS to auto-mine can be disabled.
On July 04 2011 17:25 kalany wrote: Dude....don't try to have this debate with me man. You can't say that SCBW isn't going to dissipate as soon as contracts expire and key star players (Flash, Jaedong, Bisu) enlist in the military. Didn't Hite and some other team get absorbed already?
I don't know man....it's not looking good for you guys.
At first I gave you the benefit of the doubt. Thanks for reinforcing my opinions on sc2 posters coming into bw general. Get out.
On July 04 2011 17:29 setzer wrote: Troll OP. Please close this, his only intention is to argue with people and make his points about how stupid people are to follow/play BW and not SC2.
What the heck?
Okay, the reason I ask this is because I have a solution to protect the livelihoods of pro BW players. I think I'll reveal it now because you guys are accusing me of things.
I think KESPA should contract a really good mapmaker and get him to recreate SCBW on SCII engine. Hence, the game improves graphically but the gameplay remains the same.
LOOOOOOOOOOOL
I really don't get it. Will recreating SCBW on SCII really destroy the integrity of the game? I've seen TLAttack where Sheth plays the BW maps on SCII and it seems like it has got a lot of potential. Everything from MBS to auto-mine can be disabled.
why do you want us to play bw on sc2 when we can play bw on bw?
On July 04 2011 17:29 setzer wrote: Troll OP. Please close this, his only intention is to argue with people and make his points about how stupid people are to follow/play BW and not SC2.
What the heck?
Okay, the reason I ask this is because I have a solution to protect the livelihoods of pro BW players. I think I'll reveal it now because you guys are accusing me of things.
I think KESPA should contract a really good mapmaker and get him to recreate SCBW on SCII engine. Hence, the game improves graphically but the gameplay remains the same.
LOOOOOOOOOOOL
I really don't get it. Will recreating SCBW on SCII really destroy the integrity of the game? I've seen TLAttack where Sheth plays the BW maps on SCII and it seems like it has got a lot of potential. Everything from MBS to auto-mine can be disabled.
On July 04 2011 17:29 kalany wrote: Haha, nah. I actually play SCII in lowest settings because it does get distracting. But as a watcher of pro matches, I like the graphics to be souped up. You can blame that on the 27" Samsung HDTV I purchased before I went to college which probably gives away my age too.
At this point, I feel like a Christian trying to convert a Jew
Why would you convert anyone? BW is clearly the more polished game (at least for now), and I say that as a true SC2 fanboy... If you never played it you simply can't understand. This does not mean that SC2 cannot be as fun as BW (I would say that a good macro game is just as fun in both games).
On July 04 2011 17:29 kalany wrote: Haha, nah. I actually play SCII in lowest settings because it does get distracting. But as a watcher of pro matches, I like the graphics to be souped up. You can blame that on the 27" Samsung HDTV I purchased before I went to college which probably gives away my age too.
At this point, I feel like a Christian trying to convert a Jew
Why would you convert anyone? BW is clearly the more polished game (at least for now), and I say that as a true SC2 fanboy... If you never played it you simply can't understand. This does not mean that SC2 cannot be as fun as BW (I would say that a good macro game is just as fun in both games).
kalany, just so you know, its not the maps that's the only problem. Also, graphics should not be used in an argument when comparing how good games are. You see games like CS and WoW with shitty graphics but they are still one of the most played games in their respective genres.
On July 04 2011 17:29 setzer wrote: Troll OP. Please close this, his only intention is to argue with people and make his points about how stupid people are to follow/play BW and not SC2.
What the heck?
Okay, the reason I ask this is because I have a solution to protect the livelihoods of pro BW players. I think I'll reveal it now because you guys are accusing me of things.
I think KESPA should contract a really good mapmaker and get him to recreate SCBW on SCII engine. Hence, the game improves graphically but the gameplay remains the same.
LOOOOOOOOOOOL
I really don't get it. Will recreating SCBW on SCII really destroy the integrity of the game? I've seen TLAttack where Sheth plays the BW maps on SCII and it seems like it has got a lot of potential. Everything from MBS to auto-mine can be disabled.
On July 04 2011 17:29 setzer wrote: Troll OP. Please close this, his only intention is to argue with people and make his points about how stupid people are to follow/play BW and not SC2.
What the heck?
Okay, the reason I ask this is because I have a solution to protect the livelihoods of pro BW players. I think I'll reveal it now because you guys are accusing me of things.
I think KESPA should contract a really good mapmaker and get him to recreate SCBW on SCII engine. Hence, the game improves graphically but the gameplay remains the same.
LOOOOOOOOOOOL
I really don't get it. Will recreating SCBW on SCII really destroy the integrity of the game? I've seen TLAttack where Sheth plays the BW maps on SCII and it seems like it has got a lot of potential. Everything from MBS to auto-mine can be disabled.
There is no point in recreating SCBW on SC2. BW has been fine as it is for 13 years, despite your dislike of its graphics. Those 2 games should stay as separate games, and nothing else.
Just from this thread though it's pretty evident that there's a us vs. them dynamic between the BW and SCII community. I was surprised how much I was crucified for writing this topic. I really had no intentions of trolling anyone.
In the words of Rodney King, "Can we all just get along?"
Just from this thread though it's pretty evident that there's a us vs. them dynamic between the BW and SCII community. I was surprised how much I was crucified for writing this topic. I really had no intentions of trolling anyone.
In the words of Rodney King, "Can we all just get along?"
it's the way you approached us, go back to your pretty game and reflect
I would play SC2 if it wasn't noobified, didn't have all the Blizzard controls over maps/tournaments/servers, had lan latency, didn't have chunky unit input and unit acceleration/turning and didn't have annoying 3d graphics but something much clearer and more pleasant.
Right now the only thing SC2 has going for it is that it is fresh and new unit and strategy wise. Everything else is just inferior.
It is well known that many top foreigners dislike SC2. Idra, Nony, Ret, etc. They just play it because the SC2 scene is so big because SC2 is new.
Why is SC2 so popular now? Because of the graphics? It is basically the same gameplay concept. Because it is easier to play? I don't understand why there's all these people blowing up the SC2 scene, throwing money at it and raving about how amazing RTS esports is. We had SC BW for 12 years and people outside Korea largely ignored it. Why? Because of flashy graphics that serve nu purpose?
And recreating SC BW units in the SC2 engine would actually be the worst thing to do. Same SC2 flaws but now with the same old beaten to death units and strategy. Not to mention I wish SC BW was balanced across all skill levels.
Best would be to recreate SC2 in SC BW engine. But I still think Blizzard retained the wrong units and added new ones that aren't that great either. Sentry force field seemed to be the most creative and interesting new idea. But it actually turned out pretty annoying.
On July 04 2011 17:44 Hekisui wrote: I would play SC2 if it wasn't noobified, didn't have all the Blizzard controls over maps/tournaments/servers, had lan latency, didn't have chunky unit input and unit acceleration/turning and didn't have annoying 3d graphics but something much clearer and more pleasant.
Right now the only thing SC2 has going for it is that it is fresh and new unit and strategy wise. Everything else is just inferior.
It is well known that many top foreigners dislike SC2. Idra, Nony, Ret, etc. They just play it because the SC2 scene is so big because SC2 is new.
Why is SC2 so popular now? Because of the graphics? It is basically the same gameplay concept. Because it is easier to play? I don't understand why there's all these people blowing up the SC2 scene, throwing money at it and raving about how amazing RTS esports is. We had SC BW for 12 years and people outside Korea largely ignored it. Why? Because of flashy graphics that serve nu purpose?
I think the graphics are actually really important. It expands the viewer market to more than just those who understand the game thoroughly. In SCII, you can not understand what a 7rax all-in means but still enjoy the game visually because its aesthetically pleasing.
On July 04 2011 17:47 3xiLe wrote: What I don't understand is how there aren't more SC2 players trying; or atleast watching BW after playing SC2 to see what it's like. Shouldn't be like reading the sequel of a book in a series first and wanting to read the prequel if you enjoyed it afterwards? I know we get a thread here every week on switching over from SC2 but to be honest, I'd expect a whole entire thread with hundreds of posts on discussion of beginning BW after playing SC2.
just my little rant.
Perhaps the majority of SC2 players are not that into SC2. Then again there are people who make fanclubs for relatively unknown (and pretty shit) players that happen to all kill one time.
Just from this thread though it's pretty evident that there's a us vs. them dynamic between the BW and SCII community. I was surprised how much I was crucified for writing this topic. I really had no intentions of trolling anyone.
In the words of Rodney King, "Can we all just get along?"
I wanted to get my name changed,so i can't post this 500 post technically. But the amount of stupidity that you show in this thread is just something i can't comprehend. I'm a Sc2 player and i love watching Sc2,but at the same time it introduced me to Bw and shown me how many great matches there are,I really grown to love the prolegue.
I really feel sad that a idiot like you posts something like this in the BW section because all it does is widen the gap between BW and Sc2 community.
I just want to apologize for this dumbass,not all of us that love sc2 have spawned form the angry,self glorifying wow,EA community.(which I'm pretty sure he comes form there).
Just from this thread though it's pretty evident that there's a us vs. them dynamic between the BW and SCII community. I was surprised how much I was crucified for writing this topic. I really had no intentions of trolling anyone.
In the words of Rodney King, "Can we all just get along?"
it's the way you approached us, go back to your pretty game and reflect
This. Please reread your own posts. From the very start, your pretty much implying that bw is a shitty game. Think what happens when someone goes to SC2 forums and say the same thing. Obviously the reaction is gonna be similar.
On July 04 2011 17:44 Hekisui wrote: I would play SC2 if it wasn't noobified, didn't have all the Blizzard controls over maps/tournaments/servers, had lan latency, didn't have chunky unit input and unit acceleration/turning and didn't have annoying 3d graphics but something much clearer and more pleasant.
Right now the only thing SC2 has going for it is that it is fresh and new unit and strategy wise. Everything else is just inferior.
It is well known that many top foreigners dislike SC2. Idra, Nony, Ret, etc. They just play it because the SC2 scene is so big because SC2 is new.
Why is SC2 so popular now? Because of the graphics? It is basically the same gameplay concept. Because it is easier to play? I don't understand why there's all these people blowing up the SC2 scene, throwing money at it and raving about how amazing RTS esports is. We had SC BW for 12 years and people outside Korea largely ignored it. Why? Because of flashy graphics that serve nu purpose?
I think the graphics are actually really important. It expands the viewer market to more than just those who understand the game thoroughly. In SCII, you can not understand what a 7rax all-in means but still enjoy the game visually because its aesthetically pleasing.
Oh lord almighty...
Really, is there no mod around? Or are they watching this thread and taking sick, sadistic pleasure from it. D:
On July 04 2011 17:44 Hekisui wrote: I would play SC2 if it wasn't noobified, didn't have all the Blizzard controls over maps/tournaments/servers, had lan latency, didn't have chunky unit input and unit acceleration/turning and didn't have annoying 3d graphics but something much clearer and more pleasant.
Right now the only thing SC2 has going for it is that it is fresh and new unit and strategy wise. Everything else is just inferior.
It is well known that many top foreigners dislike SC2. Idra, Nony, Ret, etc. They just play it because the SC2 scene is so big because SC2 is new.
Why is SC2 so popular now? Because of the graphics? It is basically the same gameplay concept. Because it is easier to play? I don't understand why there's all these people blowing up the SC2 scene, throwing money at it and raving about how amazing RTS esports is. We had SC BW for 12 years and people outside Korea largely ignored it. Why? Because of flashy graphics that serve nu purpose?
I think the graphics are actually really important. It expands the viewer market to more than just those who understand the game thoroughly. In SCII, you can not understand what a 7rax all-in means but still enjoy the game visually because its aesthetically pleasing.
Indeed. I refuse to watch womens tennis until average breast sizes are brought up by 2 and a quarter cup sizes and tennis balls used are purple my favourite colour.
Just from this thread though it's pretty evident that there's a us vs. them dynamic between the BW and SCII community. I was surprised how much I was crucified for writing this topic. I really had no intentions of trolling anyone.
In the words of Rodney King, "Can we all just get along?"
We play because it is fun. Way more fun than SC2.
And you're OP did look like a troll topic. Change the subject a bit, and you would be trying to "cure" us from being gay. You made playing BW sound like something that's just weird and nobody should ever do now that SC2 is out.
Again, BW is a game that is ridiculously fun. Chances are we play it because it is fun.
I think the graphics micro are actually really important. It expands the viewer market to more than just those who understand the game thoroughly. In SCII BW, you can not understand what a 7rax 8 rax all-in means but still enjoy the game visually because its aesthetically pleasing impressive.
On July 04 2011 17:44 Hekisui wrote: I would play SC2 if it wasn't noobified, didn't have all the Blizzard controls over maps/tournaments/servers, had lan latency, didn't have chunky unit input and unit acceleration/turning and didn't have annoying 3d graphics but something much clearer and more pleasant.
Right now the only thing SC2 has going for it is that it is fresh and new unit and strategy wise. Everything else is just inferior.
It is well known that many top foreigners dislike SC2. Idra, Nony, Ret, etc. They just play it because the SC2 scene is so big because SC2 is new.
Why is SC2 so popular now? Because of the graphics? It is basically the same gameplay concept. Because it is easier to play? I don't understand why there's all these people blowing up the SC2 scene, throwing money at it and raving about how amazing RTS esports is. We had SC BW for 12 years and people outside Korea largely ignored it. Why? Because of flashy graphics that serve nu purpose?
To be fair not every progamer thinks that way. From a recent interview with Nada:
"Q. What are your thoughts between SC1 and SC2
In SC2, the graphics are very nice and the overall mechanics of the game is easier so it’s easier to play, but because of that, each battle and strategy becomes more important. For example, many units in one control group tends to bunch up so you have to be careful to spread them in battle. As for strategy, there are many that just simply end the game if you are not prepared, so you have to be extremely careful, especially in the beginning of the game. What people say about early game scouting being difficult is true. However, through my vast experience, I have to predict by feel what my opponent’s strategy will be."
"Q. Many people consider TvT a matchup very similar to SC1, what are your thoughts on this?
No, I think it is much harder. With the added units like Banshees and Marauders, it is hard to find the right balance of units. In SCBW, it was a positional game like Go (the black and white board game), involving positional and mental battles, but in SC2 there is the added dimension of unit composition. I think that TvT, especially in SC2 is both dynamic and fun. Haha."
I can only assume that people who dislike Brood War's graphics have unfortunately only played the game on an LCD screen. Low resolutions look much nicer and crisper on a CRT (which is why the progamers use them).
On July 04 2011 17:49 kalany wrote: I think the graphics are actually really important. It expands the viewer market to more than just those who understand the game thoroughly. In SCII, you can not understand what a 7rax all-in means but
They are important. That's why I prefer SC BW graphics,
It's so ugly but so nice to play on. Dark and lighter browns are also not nice to play on.
The only thing high end graphics do is allow sponsors to sell new hardware. And this has long been a driving force in the games world to the point where we today's games mostly have annoying gameplay, really good graphics and decent story telling.
I really liked playing the Witcher 2 and Mass Effect 2 recently. But the fighting is just pure annoyance and I just set it to easy. I used to be a hardcore PC gamer. But those games are pure story to me. Gameplay has no fun to it at all.
And don't get me started on Civ5, what a trash game.
Nada played more games of SC BW than Idra, Ret and Nony together. No surprise he wants to play another game for a change. If you do the math on the number of games he has played, it's pretty crazy. Not to mention they have media training and you never see a progamer give any relevant opinions. When Testie first played SC2 he was shocked how easy it was. Nony and Idra went out of their way to convince Blizzard of this. So did Tasteless. He described how his arguments with Dustin Browder didn't go very well. I guess this was the type of debate Browder later described in his 'confession interview'.
I do think TvT and ZvZ are improved in SC2. SC BW was never designed for esports. SC2 was, kinda. SC2 made huge compromises because it also tried to target WoW players and their mothers. Also, Dustin Browder and the other members on the SC2 team didn't understand the appeal of a competitive RTS game or why it works as a game in the first place. This is why Pillars left the team. He got frustrated. And after David Kim took over his position, he ran into the same problems. I prefer a hardcore RTS. To me SC BW is unique. To many here it is just a better version of C&C4.
To me it is just waiting for a dev studio that is going to make a hardcore only RTS. One that deliberately doesn't want to get mainstream customers. SC2 won't last as long as SC BW. So we just have to wait for that.
On July 04 2011 17:44 Hekisui wrote: I would play SC2 if it wasn't noobified, didn't have all the Blizzard controls over maps/tournaments/servers, had lan latency, didn't have chunky unit input and unit acceleration/turning and didn't have annoying 3d graphics but something much clearer and more pleasant.
Right now the only thing SC2 has going for it is that it is fresh and new unit and strategy wise. Everything else is just inferior.
It is well known that many top foreigners dislike SC2. Idra, Nony, Ret, etc. They just play it because the SC2 scene is so big because SC2 is new.
Why is SC2 so popular now? Because of the graphics? It is basically the same gameplay concept. Because it is easier to play? I don't understand why there's all these people blowing up the SC2 scene, throwing money at it and raving about how amazing RTS esports is. We had SC BW for 12 years and people outside Korea largely ignored it. Why? Because of flashy graphics that serve nu purpose?
To be fair not every progamer thinks that way. From a recent interview with Nada:
"Q. What are your thoughts between SC1 and SC2
In SC2, the graphics are very nice and the overall mechanics of the game is easier so it’s easier to play, but because of that, each battle and strategy becomes more important. For example, many units in one control group tends to bunch up so you have to be careful to spread them in battle. As for strategy, there are many that just simply end the game if you are not prepared, so you have to be extremely careful, especially in the beginning of the game. What people say about early game scouting being difficult is true. However, through my vast experience, I have to predict by feel what my opponent’s strategy will be."
"Q. Many people consider TvT a matchup very similar to SC1, what are your thoughts on this?
No, I think it is much harder. With the added units like Banshees and Marauders, it is hard to find the right balance of units. In SCBW, it was a positional game like Go (the black and white board game), involving positional and mental battles, but in SC2 there is the added dimension of unit composition. I think that TvT, especially in SC2 is both dynamic and fun. Haha."
On July 04 2011 17:44 Hekisui wrote: I would play SC2 if it wasn't noobified, didn't have all the Blizzard controls over maps/tournaments/servers, had lan latency, didn't have chunky unit input and unit acceleration/turning and didn't have annoying 3d graphics but something much clearer and more pleasant.
Right now the only thing SC2 has going for it is that it is fresh and new unit and strategy wise. Everything else is just inferior.
It is well known that many top foreigners dislike SC2. Idra, Nony, Ret, etc. They just play it because the SC2 scene is so big because SC2 is new.
Why is SC2 so popular now? Because of the graphics? It is basically the same gameplay concept. Because it is easier to play? I don't understand why there's all these people blowing up the SC2 scene, throwing money at it and raving about how amazing RTS esports is. We had SC BW for 12 years and people outside Korea largely ignored it. Why? Because of flashy graphics that serve nu purpose?
To be fair not every progamer thinks that way. From a recent interview with Nada:
"Q. What are your thoughts between SC1 and SC2
In SC2, the graphics are very nice and the overall mechanics of the game is easier so it’s easier to play, but because of that, each battle and strategy becomes more important. For example, many units in one control group tends to bunch up so you have to be careful to spread them in battle. As for strategy, there are many that just simply end the game if you are not prepared, so you have to be extremely careful, especially in the beginning of the game. What people say about early game scouting being difficult is true. However, through my vast experience, I have to predict by feel what my opponent’s strategy will be."
"Q. Many people consider TvT a matchup very similar to SC1, what are your thoughts on this?
No, I think it is much harder. With the added units like Banshees and Marauders, it is hard to find the right balance of units. In SCBW, it was a positional game like Go (the black and white board game), involving positional and mental battles, but in SC2 there is the added dimension of unit composition. I think that TvT, especially in SC2 is both dynamic and fun. Haha."
On July 04 2011 17:44 Hekisui wrote: I would play SC2 if it wasn't noobified, didn't have all the Blizzard controls over maps/tournaments/servers, had lan latency, didn't have chunky unit input and unit acceleration/turning and didn't have annoying 3d graphics but something much clearer and more pleasant.
Right now the only thing SC2 has going for it is that it is fresh and new unit and strategy wise. Everything else is just inferior.
It is well known that many top foreigners dislike SC2. Idra, Nony, Ret, etc. They just play it because the SC2 scene is so big because SC2 is new.
Why is SC2 so popular now? Because of the graphics? It is basically the same gameplay concept. Because it is easier to play? I don't understand why there's all these people blowing up the SC2 scene, throwing money at it and raving about how amazing RTS esports is. We had SC BW for 12 years and people outside Korea largely ignored it. Why? Because of flashy graphics that serve nu purpose?
To be fair not every progamer thinks that way. From a recent interview with Nada:
"Q. What are your thoughts between SC1 and SC2
In SC2, the graphics are very nice and the overall mechanics of the game is easier so it’s easier to play, but because of that, each battle and strategy becomes more important. For example, many units in one control group tends to bunch up so you have to be careful to spread them in battle. As for strategy, there are many that just simply end the game if you are not prepared, so you have to be extremely careful, especially in the beginning of the game. What people say about early game scouting being difficult is true. However, through my vast experience, I have to predict by feel what my opponent’s strategy will be."
"Q. Many people consider TvT a matchup very similar to SC1, what are your thoughts on this?
No, I think it is much harder. With the added units like Banshees and Marauders, it is hard to find the right balance of units. In SCBW, it was a positional game like Go (the black and white board game), involving positional and mental battles, but in SC2 there is the added dimension of unit composition. I think that TvT, especially in SC2 is both dynamic and fun. Haha."
On July 04 2011 17:44 Hekisui wrote: I would play SC2 if it wasn't noobified, didn't have all the Blizzard controls over maps/tournaments/servers, had lan latency, didn't have chunky unit input and unit acceleration/turning and didn't have annoying 3d graphics but something much clearer and more pleasant.
Right now the only thing SC2 has going for it is that it is fresh and new unit and strategy wise. Everything else is just inferior.
It is well known that many top foreigners dislike SC2. Idra, Nony, Ret, etc. They just play it because the SC2 scene is so big because SC2 is new.
Why is SC2 so popular now? Because of the graphics? It is basically the same gameplay concept. Because it is easier to play? I don't understand why there's all these people blowing up the SC2 scene, throwing money at it and raving about how amazing RTS esports is. We had SC BW for 12 years and people outside Korea largely ignored it. Why? Because of flashy graphics that serve nu purpose?
To be fair not every progamer thinks that way. From a recent interview with Nada:
"Q. What are your thoughts between SC1 and SC2
In SC2, the graphics are very nice and the overall mechanics of the game is easier so it’s easier to play, but because of that, each battle and strategy becomes more important. For example, many units in one control group tends to bunch up so you have to be careful to spread them in battle. As for strategy, there are many that just simply end the game if you are not prepared, so you have to be extremely careful, especially in the beginning of the game. What people say about early game scouting being difficult is true. However, through my vast experience, I have to predict by feel what my opponent’s strategy will be."
"Q. Many people consider TvT a matchup very similar to SC1, what are your thoughts on this?
No, I think it is much harder. With the added units like Banshees and Marauders, it is hard to find the right balance of units. In SCBW, it was a positional game like Go (the black and white board game), involving positional and mental battles, but in SC2 there is the added dimension of unit composition. I think that TvT, especially in SC2 is both dynamic and fun. Haha."
Nada retired before the current TvT metagame change. I thought sc2 is more about positioning since there are no units(other than tanks) that can hold an area and highground advantage is bullshit.
"strategy, there are many that just simply end the game if you are not prepared"
This, shows that game design is flawed somewhere alright. What happened to defender advantage?
On July 04 2011 17:44 Hekisui wrote: I would play SC2 if it wasn't noobified, didn't have all the Blizzard controls over maps/tournaments/servers, had lan latency, didn't have chunky unit input and unit acceleration/turning and didn't have annoying 3d graphics but something much clearer and more pleasant.
Right now the only thing SC2 has going for it is that it is fresh and new unit and strategy wise. Everything else is just inferior.
It is well known that many top foreigners dislike SC2. Idra, Nony, Ret, etc. They just play it because the SC2 scene is so big because SC2 is new.
Why is SC2 so popular now? Because of the graphics? It is basically the same gameplay concept. Because it is easier to play? I don't understand why there's all these people blowing up the SC2 scene, throwing money at it and raving about how amazing RTS esports is. We had SC BW for 12 years and people outside Korea largely ignored it. Why? Because of flashy graphics that serve nu purpose?
To be fair not every progamer thinks that way. From a recent interview with Nada:
"Q. What are your thoughts between SC1 and SC2
In SC2, the graphics are very nice and the overall mechanics of the game is easier so it’s easier to play, but because of that, each battle and strategy becomes more important. For example, many units in one control group tends to bunch up so you have to be careful to spread them in battle. As for strategy, there are many that just simply end the game if you are not prepared, so you have to be extremely careful, especially in the beginning of the game. What people say about early game scouting being difficult is true. However, through my vast experience, I have to predict by feel what my opponent’s strategy will be."
"Q. Many people consider TvT a matchup very similar to SC1, what are your thoughts on this?
No, I think it is much harder. With the added units like Banshees and Marauders, it is hard to find the right balance of units. In SCBW, it was a positional game like Go (the black and white board game), involving positional and mental battles, but in SC2 there is the added dimension of unit composition. I think that TvT, especially in SC2 is both dynamic and fun. Haha."
This, shows that game design is flawed somewhere alright. What happened to defender advantage?
Warpgate happened
Warpgate, and close-clump pathfinding, and no high ground miss percentage, and entrenching/slow units generally got nerfed or removed while faster units got buffed.
gonna disregard the content of this thread for now and just answer your question, because I CAN'T STOP! I've tried for years to quit scbw but every time I come back and fall in love with the game again.
Like everyone else I was excited as hell about SCII. But then Blizzard started acting weird. Paying people to advertize illegaly to promote SCII in Korea, constant updates, trying to kill the BW scene, no chatrooms until forever later. I'm sure it's a fun game - I just couldn't care less. Also - GOM really should have FREE HD streams & VODs. You're trying to ESTABLISH a scene - leave it free for a while at least. If I hear about a cool play I might check it out if it's accessible. Also - the BW leagues are way more exciting than the SCII ones. TSL3 was the high point of SCII so far. Really Blizzard / GOM, you can't outshine an online tournament? No wonder they're trying to get good with OGN /MBC and let them host SC2 tournaments.
TLDR: SCII is still like late game TvT in BW. Two armies circle each other. One clash. GG.
Because its awesome and fun to play and watch. It has better graphics than SC2 (yes, in fact 2D is much better for rts than 3D, plus BW graphics are more "mature")
and there are so much more things that are making BW a much better game (the best esport ever) than SC2 atm.
Thats why im gonna wait till all the expansion sets for SC2 are going to be released and see whats going to happen then
First of all as many said its fun and its challenging to play with simple and clean graphics that are easy on the eye. The only game that I've played for over 5 years and never get bored playing it. Watching pros playing BW is entertaing and more fun than playing and at last my PC is kinda crappy so it runs BW with no problems.
And why is SC2 even mentioned in this thread? This is not about SC2 vs BW gtfo trolls.
On July 04 2011 18:13 SkelA wrote: There is lots of reasons why i play BW.
First of all as many said its fun and its challenging to play with simple and clean graphics that are easy on the eye. The only game that I've played for over 5 years and never get bored playing it. Watching pros playing BW is entertaing and more fun than playing and at last my PC is kinda crappy so it runs BW with no problems.
And why is SC2 even mentioned in this thread? This is not about SC2 vs BW gtfo trolls.
Did you read the poll? BW vs SC2 was clearly the OP's intent.
Because I'm poor and haven't bought SC2 yet. And even after I do there are some things about SC:BW I really like that SC2 lacks so I might go back and play BW for nostalgia's sake.
On July 04 2011 17:39 ShadeR wrote: In all seriousness a more appropriate question would be "Why play SC2?"
Maybe i should post that in the sc2 forums
Follow it with an appropriate parallel like... Why have sex with a woman when you can masturbate?
Why go to cook a burger when u can put a turd in a bun?
Why break your mouse when you can punch your brother?
Why take a bath when you can walk your dog?
Too good.
Man this thread was good for a few laughs. OP's strategy: Make a thread about BW being a game for lepers -> Announce the cure for leprosy is to stop being a leper and start being healthy -> Profit?..
god damn. the OP is so naive its irritating. I had a large flame post that i omitted largely because i would get banned.
I don't play BW anymore (too little people, im falling behind, school, im using Win7, etc) but, i can argue that it is a much much much better game than SC2 and i would play it if the crowd was larger (yeah theres a large Korean population but hey, im not as good as them :l). I did get SC2, and i do play it from time to time with friends if possible but thats really it. Unlike BW when i got into it, i played it every day (I would be one of those Custom/UMS gamers playing Cat n Mouse all day and Fastest/BGH! in my first year online). There were hackers, and faggots everywhere on battle.net but that didnt stop me from having a ton of fun. Maybe a crucial part of the BW experience was the chat channels. i dont know but i realize i loved the interface.
Really, even I dont know why i love the game so much, but i can tell you why i dont like SC2. Its not the easier mechanics, i think thats fine (cept MBS and tabbing unit spells) but the main problem is how unappealing the game turned out to be (aka Blizzard's management on the game). What happened to all the cool strategies and perks that blizzard offered us back 3 FUCKING YEARS AGO??? Why is it that the only troll unit is the Mothership? Why dont we have a starbase? Where is the advanced interface that battle.net 2.0 promised? Why do the custom maps suck ass? Why are the maps flooded with rocks?
Thats just some of the problems
Also SC2 is boring to watch. sorry. being a BW player, my expectations of a good game are significantly higher
On July 04 2011 18:13 SkelA wrote: There is lots of reasons why i play BW.
First of all as many said its fun and its challenging to play with simple and clean graphics that are easy on the eye. The only game that I've played for over 5 years and never get bored playing it. Watching pros playing BW is entertaing and more fun than playing and at last my PC is kinda crappy so it runs BW with no problems.
And why is SC2 even mentioned in this thread? This is not about SC2 vs BW gtfo trolls.
I wish. He was just so naive and brought up SC2 half way through the thread
"From a SCII player's perspective, I don't get it and I would like to understand the reasons why you guys still play BW rather than SCII. "
The sad thing is, that thread will be closed before this one is.
Something even sadder is that you actually went ahead with this
makes us seem like bad people lol the responses aren't very funny in that thread
But no, you guys definitely made your point by hyperbolizing my topic in the SCII forums. Once again, for those who have yet to see the edit in the OP, I am sorry!!!! My intention was to have you guys give constructive criticism of my idea to have BW on SCII engine if this thread was well received. Rather, your convictions led you to defend BW and attack me.
And my wording was really poor. I shouldn't have made the topic "Why do you STILL play SCBW?" I understand now that it does suggest that it's an outdated game, which it's not IMO.
Contrary to what some believe, I was 7 years old when I got my hands on SCBW and eventually played with the intention of understanding the game and appreciating it for its strategy, micro and macro rather than the visuals (I was raised on games with simply graphics such as CS 1.6, BW and even Pokemon).
i Like that most of the people say that they dont play sc2 cause it requires no skill and then at the end say they computer is crap and cant handle it lol :p
cmon BroodWar was my favourite game but sc2 is good also dont see why all the hate people play what they like
I think a better question is why do you care so much that others enjoy SCBW? A lot of people seem actually offended when others enjoy things they don't.
EPT
the responses aren't very funny in that thread
