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Gotta love this thread, always people come in bashing, then people just bash right back. It runs in circles lol and nothing ever comes out of it.
Anyways, I got "Models" by Mark Manson (Postmasculine.com) yesterday and I just finished chapter 2 about ten minutes ago. I have to say this is a pretty amazing book. He lashes out against current PUA style, and I can't help but completely agree with the guy. Some of it I have a hard time believing, but I can't tell if this is because I actually don't agree with it, or if it is because I don't want my own ideas, train of thought, beliefs, values, whatever, challenged. I'm starting to think it is the latter.
This is because despite it being the second chapter, I've already seen quite a few things I do that he calls bullshit on, such as some parts of a fake alpha persona, among some other things. And I'm not even that heavily invested into the PUA community compared to some. I can see why many cherish this book, while others will completely denounce it; they don't want their entire lifestyle and values put into the spotlight, exposed, and possibly called out on - in some instances, destroyed.
Other stuff (Read: 98.5% of it.) I completely agree with, such as women being attracted on a physical and emotional level, while emotional level is a large contributing factor and physical factors nearly equal. I don't think enough people put value into the emotional connection between people in general, much less on a man seducing a woman. I've always felt that playing on an emotional level (I guess what some people would call vulnerability, but I don't think that gives it the fullest meaning) was a lot more important than most PU people say.
Furthermore, his writing is concise and takes no measure to trick you or give double means. I'm not gonna give away too much about the book, it is only around $20 for such a high quality book.
As a result, I'd highly recommend this book.
Even to those who denounce PUA.
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I think its impressive that one dude managed to keep a thread alive for 58 pages
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On December 10 2011 15:27 alphafuzard wrote:
I think its impressive that one dude managed to keep a thread alive for 58 pages
It's his bragging ground in front of a nerd population. Wouldn't survive a PUA forum.
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On December 09 2011 03:30 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:
I honestly could care less about how often you sleep with women or how many you get. That isn't the point. Wait... actually that is the point:
You say your "number" is in the double digits? Do you ever think of the possibility that a lot of people think that is gross? Not trying to be mean, but I wouldn't want anything to do with someone who has slept with that many people. They are WAY more likely to be diseased, WAY more likely to have emotional and commitment issues, WAY more likely to result in drama... Coupled with the fact that you say you've approached over 2000 women. That is close to ten women a night. Not one of those women noticed that you were hitting on nine other women at the same time? Or did 99/100 of them notice and instantly become turned off? I'm really not trying to be mean here, but let's be honest: approaching 2000 women is excessive; and it smacks of desperation.
Furthermore, you missed the point of the "fact v fiction" part of my post. The things I am positing as fact, well... they are facts. The things I am positing as fiction are the exact type of things that are peddled by these PUA people as "scientific truth". I'm not an expert on PUA because I don't care about "picking up". If I like a girl, I'm not gonna try to hide it behind some false bravado, or any of that nonsense. I'm gonna go talk to her, make my attraction plain, and straight up ask her when I feel like it. If she rejects, whatever, if she doesn't, cool. I don't need a book or a PUA to tell me how to do that. No one needs that crap.
Let's put it this way: Your a hot chick and you've got one guy who is just being himself, and another guy who is reading off a script that he's practiced on seven other girls that night. Which one do you think has the advantage here?
I was wondering too if I were to approach a bunch of women in one night, and other women noticed, would the women I didn't approach yet be creeped out? (as in if I only approached the girl I was interested in the most versus risking creeping her out if I practice pua on others and she notices)
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On December 10 2011 15:51 Rodimus Prime wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 15:27 alphafuzard wrote:
I think its impressive that one dude managed to keep a thread alive for 58 pages It's his bragging ground in front of a nerd population. Wouldn't survive a PUA forum.
Meh, I wouldn't go that far. Then again, I have yet to listen to one of the in field recordings. But IIRC, being trained by DJ Fuji means that he would survive a PUA forum.
Squattin is a stand up guy in my opinion, just gets a little over defensive.
My only problem with this thread is there is no real... discussion. Anytime someone challenges views, it isn't a debate, it just a "Shut up, I'm right" match. If you haven't slept with 50 women, squatting/whoever won't listen to you. Likewise, if you have slept with 50 women, nobody else listens to you either. I think it is dumb, to be honest. Maybe it is because of the title; maybe a new topic needs to be made that deals with social interaction, with PUA being part of the thread but not the focus, ya dig?
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On December 10 2011 15:27 alphafuzard wrote:
I think its impressive that one dude managed to keep a thread alive for 58 pages
mmmmmmmm
zip him upppppppppp
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LOL.
It's people like you Mike, that give this whole Hitch thing a bad name.
Here's why.
+ Show Spoiler +You are insecure about yourself, looking for external reference and approval from us. And when we don't deliver the approval, you tried provide MORE "value", pics, screenshots, and taped conversations. While I wont question your ethics here, I will question one thing, "why are you trying so hard to gain approval from me? if it's not approval that you are seeking, then what exactly are you looking for?"
Another thing
+ Show Spoiler +A few other member tried to contribute their stories and point of view. You immediately criticize about their techniques in writing style and the amount of information they offer, while this may sound like constructive criticism to you, this is overly eager to put yourself in the teachers role/coach model, and framing others to be the student. Again, why are you so eager to criticize, instead of encouragement?
You know what I really think, you have no real friends, and this is not a personal attack really, you don't really have people to go out with and to hang out, because you treat a lot of your friends into a coach/student role instead of "bunch bros having fun." Clearly, I am making assumptions here, and I don't know and your story. But honestly, I would not like to hang with you and most of all, your game is bad. You know why, not because of results, but because you are still that little boy that looking for approval from the adults, all your little routines, tricks and gimmicks are the shields you put up, you constantly feel nothing without them, and you are still pretending someone that you are not.
In Starcraft 2 terms, you have walled in with cannons and probes with one base, but you have no real army, yeah you look impressive to noobs, but try making out of silver league.
Dude, if you were really that cool guy that you tried so hard to be, you seriously would not waste your time on here. While I sound like bashing you, but I am going to give you credits for going to the gym, living in a lifestyle that you enjoy, and hooking up girls. That's cool. So stop the needy approval seeking from us, it's annoying.
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On December 10 2011 20:22 Kira.Yami wrote:LOL. It's people like you Mike, that give this whole Hitch thing a bad name. Here's why. + Show Spoiler +You are insecure about yourself, looking for external reference and approval from us. And when we don't deliver the approval, you tried provide MORE "value", pics, screenshots, and taped conversations. While I wont question your ethics here, I will question one thing, "why are you trying so hard to gain approval from me? if it's not approval that you are seeking, then what exactly are you looking for?" Another thing + Show Spoiler +A few other member tried to contribute their stories and point of view. You immediately criticize about their techniques in writing style and the amount of information they offer, while this may sound like constructive criticism to you, this is overly eager to put yourself in the teachers role/coach model, and framing others to be the student. Again, why are you so eager to criticize, instead of encouragement?
You know what I really think, you have no real friends, and this is not a personal attack really, you don't really have people to go out with and to hang out, because you treat a lot of your friends into a coach/student role instead of "bunch bros having fun." Clearly, I am making assumptions here, and I don't know and your story. But honestly, I would not like to hang with you and most of all, your game is bad. You know why, not because of results, but because you are still that little boy that looking for approval from the adults, all your little routines, tricks and gimmicks are the shields you put up, you constantly feel nothing without them, and you are still pretending someone that you are not.
In Starcraft 2 terms, you have walled in with cannons and probes with one base, but you have no real army, yeah you look impressive to noobs, but try making out of silver league. Dude, if you were really that cool guy that you tried so hard to be, you seriously would not waste your time on here. While I sound like bashing you, but I am going to give you credits for going to the gym, living in a lifestyle that you enjoy, and hooking up girls. That's cool. So stop the needy approval seeking from us, it's annoying.
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All this Pua stuff the ioi, teasing, techniques, steps and things you practice are all because of one thing. Lack of confidence , all the things you practice over and over in again is what you become confident in, You become confident in the material but not in your self. Want to be a PUA work on your core and confidence, then you can do anything when picking up a girl and be natural without worrying about techniques and gimmicks.
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Strong page of bashing me lol! This thread is no different than most PUA forums, except for the fact its a billion different sub topics mashed into one thread. If multiple threads got created, it would be too disperse since it IS mainly a starcraft forum. But other than that, its like a big percentage lurkers, then a big percentage keyboard jockeys, a smaller percentage of people who actually open, and an even small percentage that gets lays. Its not surprising a lot of gamers learn PUA since otherwise we would have been naturals. Its ridiculous how many Asians are in PU or want to learn PU.
Most pickup forums are quite dead. There are many I frequent but due to amounts of trolling and newbs, its actually less productive to read forums, and more productive to open sets. The two main forums I go to, one Seattle, one in Southern California are both very low in traffic now. I mainly post there to find wings since they are the two places I sarge. You always want to wing with someone better than you, quite disappointingly, there isn't a single person better than me in Seattle and while there are quite a few decent guys in Southern California, many live over an hour away. Its crazy hard finding good wings, someone equal or better with a different style.
I put up a lot of my infield materials because I write field reports anyways as part of my homework, and I been doing it since I started as a way to keep track of my progress. Plus, there isn't a whole lot of in-field videos out there on YouTube.
On December 10 2011 21:15 tQDanTe wrote:
+1
All this Pua stuff the ioi, teasing, techniques, steps and things you practice are all because of one thing. Lack of confidence , all the things you practice over and over in again is what you become confident in, You become confident in the material but not in your self. Want to be a PUA work on your core and confidence, then you can do anything when picking up a girl and be natural without worrying about techniques and gimmicks.
Having core confidence is great, but unfortunately its not something you can work directly on. Its hard to explain but here is an analogy. Why does a hot girl know shes hot shit? Because for the last 10 years, she has on a daily basis have had multiple guys approach, ask for her number, kiss up to her, tell her shes pretty. She is reinforced by real life feedback hundreds of thousands of times that she is hot shit. Thus, she knows shes hot shit.
Unless you can be self delusional, real life feedback will always be reinforcing you that you are either cool or uncool. You can do meditation every day for hours on self confidence, but when you go to the club and not a single girl will even look at you and they show a disgusting face, guess what happens? It reinforces you that you aren't a cool guy.
Confidence is gained by making actionable choices. Every time you feels fear, you does it anyways. If you see a hot girl and you are scared to approach, doing it anyways will give you confidence. Everyone wants core confidence but again, its not like you have it or you don't. Its not binary, its more of a continual path to more and more confidence. How do you get that? Its reinforced by the actions you make and the real life feedback you get. A person who is a virgin is going to have a lot harder time subconsciously believe that hes gods gift to women as opposed to a guy who has bedded 2000 women. Its just a lot easier for the second guy to believe it than the first. While it is great to be able to just work on "pure core confidence". The way to achieve confidence with women is more efficient and faster if you worked on approaching and getting results, and those results becomes feedback which boosts your confidence.
To be honest, I have more confidence opening a girl who is 7/10 than a girl who is 10/10. Why? Its because I have laid girls who are 7/10 and I have never laid a girl that are victoria secret model. But guess what? Lets say I slept with 100 girls who are playboy playmates and victoria secret models.... would I have more confidence approaching super hot girls? Of course I have. My brain would tell me, hey look, you have done this hundreds of times in the past, this time is no different.
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On December 11 2011 22:50 squattincassanova wrote:Strong page of bashing me lol! This thread is no different than most PUA forums, except for the fact its a billion different sub topics mashed into one thread. If multiple threads got created, it would be too disperse since it IS mainly a starcraft forum. But other than that, its like a big percentage lurkers, then a big percentage keyboard jockeys, a smaller percentage of people who actually open, and an even small percentage that gets lays. Its not surprising a lot of gamers learn PUA since otherwise we would have been naturals. Its ridiculous how many Asians are in PU or want to learn PU. Most pickup forums are quite dead. There are many I frequent but due to amounts of trolling and newbs, its actually less productive to read forums, and more productive to open sets. The two main forums I go to, one Seattle, one in Southern California are both very low in traffic now. I mainly post there to find wings since they are the two places I sarge. You always want to wing with someone better than you, quite disappointingly, there isn't a single person better than me in Seattle and while there are quite a few decent guys in Southern California, many live over an hour away. Its crazy hard finding good wings, someone equal or better with a different style. I put up a lot of my infield materials because I write field reports anyways as part of my homework, and I been doing it since I started as a way to keep track of my progress. Plus, there isn't a whole lot of in-field videos out there on YouTube. Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 21:15 tQDanTe wrote:
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All this Pua stuff the ioi, teasing, techniques, steps and things you practice are all because of one thing. Lack of confidence , all the things you practice over and over in again is what you become confident in, You become confident in the material but not in your self. Want to be a PUA work on your core and confidence, then you can do anything when picking up a girl and be natural without worrying about techniques and gimmicks. Having core confidence is great, but unfortunately its not something you can work directly on. Its hard to explain but here is an analogy. Why does a hot girl know shes hot shit? Because for the last 10 years, she has on a daily basis have had multiple guys approach, ask for her number, kiss up to her, tell her shes pretty. She is reinforced by real life feedback hundreds of thousands of times that she is hot shit. Thus, she knows shes hot shit. Unless you can be self delusional, real life feedback will always be reinforcing you that you are either cool or uncool. You can do meditation every day for hours on self confidence, but when you go to the club and not a single girl will even look at you and they show a disgusting face, guess what happens? It reinforces you that you aren't a cool guy. Confidence is gained by making actionable choices. Every time you feels fear, you does it anyways. If you see a hot girl and you are scared to approach, doing it anyways will give you confidence. Everyone wants core confidence but again, its not like you have it or you don't. Its not binary, its more of a continual path to more and more confidence. How do you get that? Its reinforced by the actions you make and the real life feedback you get. A person who is a virgin is going to have a lot harder time subconsciously believe that hes gods gift to women as opposed to a guy who has bedded 2000 women. Its just a lot easier for the second guy to believe it than the first. While it is great to be able to just work on "pure core confidence". The way to achieve confidence with women is more efficient and faster if you worked on approaching and getting results, and those results becomes feedback which boosts your confidence. To be honest, I have more confidence opening a girl who is 7/10 than a girl who is 10/10. Why? Its because I have laid girls who are 7/10 and I have never laid a girl that are victoria secret model. But guess what? Lets say I slept with 100 girls who are playboy playmates and victoria secret models.... would I have more confidence approaching super hot girls? Of course I have. My brain would tell me, hey look, you have done this hundreds of times in the past, this time is no different.
I agree with a lot of what you said, but disagree almost completely on core confidence. From the way you made it sound, the only way to gain core confidence is by validation through women. As a weight lifter, you should know that confidence can be gained through something like lifting, another physical activity, academic achievements, goals reached, ect. Reaching validation through the number of women you slay isn't even core confidence in my opinion. I understand it can add to your core confidence, though.
Hm. Kind of theoretical and a in the moment idea, but I think that with anything you do you will add a little bit of core confidence, and after a certain point you will simply add confidence to what you are doing. Say you hit 200 lbs in a lift for the first time. You're going to add to core confidence. Say after doing this lift 50 times, you're not going to add anything to your core confidence. After winning your first competition, your going to add to your core confidence. But do it 50 times, and you'll simply be confident that you can do it. I think this goes for women too; the first time you get a number, the first time you get a kiss, the first time you get a same nighter, all adds to core confidence a little bit, but eventually it plateaus out and doesn't add anymore. The confidence you build from the little things allows you to tackle the larger ones.
Maybe this is why many people, not just PUA artisits, advocate a wide and deep (as in, you're not just sitting there playing starcraft, you're active in the community. You may start out in forums, move to caster or background work, ect.) lifestyle. Because each thing you do adds that core confidence. Gives you stories, gives your life vibrancy.
Or maybe I'm just full of shit and my theory is dumb :D
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I agree catch. Other things matter. Good job, working out, having hobbies, friends, something you are passionate about. Each adds a little. I do know a lot of people who have their life styles handled but their innner game is still terrible though.
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So I got done reading models. I was going through a chapter a day, pacing myself so I could really think about it. Then I said screw it and blazed through the last third in a dayish.
It's hard to say this book is life changing, but I have a hard time putting another adjective on it.
I found the first section of the book especially powerful. It is theory work. He then delves into another section, in which there is theory then specific work, and the final section is mostly action with a little bit of theory. The final chapter gives you an action plan so to speak, and then some good words of closing.
It is a very well put together book in my opinion, and maybe that is because I am very congruent with Mark's style. I find his truths, about attraction and seduction, very spot on. Like I've said before, he also calls a lot of bullshit on current PUA and I can't help but agree with the guy.
All I have to say is, I look at seduction in terms of neediness and venerability. I welcome (almost  ) rejection as means of success. And tonight I found myself looking at women and wondering if they were interesting people or not. If that isn't a life-changing, I don't know what is.
All in all, I have to say is this book is totally. totally fucking worth it. I'm actually buying it for my friend for christmas (Secret santa yeahyeahyeah).
I do have a problem though, unrelated to this. I'm in college so I normally go to house parties/whatever else around campus. I'm normally the one driving since I rarely drink. The problem is we'll go to a party, and I feel responsible for my friends good times. To the point where today me and a friend went together (just us) to a party, and I felt like he wasn't having a good time so I just said lets bounce.
Am I responsible for my friends well being? I'm not really too sure how to approach this. I mean I brought them, but there are times where I rather stay but I wouldn't want my friends to be sitting there miserable while I'm doing my thing (usually having a good time). Feeling that I am responsible for them affects me negatively.
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On December 17 2011 16:20 Catch wrote:So I got done reading models. I was going through a chapter a day, pacing myself so I could really think about it. Then I said screw it and blazed through the last third in a dayish. It's hard to say this book is life changing, but I have a hard time putting another adjective on it. I found the first section of the book especially powerful. It is theory work. He then delves into another section, in which there is theory then specific work, and the final section is mostly action with a little bit of theory. The final chapter gives you an action plan so to speak, and then some good words of closing. It is a very well put together book in my opinion, and maybe that is because I am very congruent with Mark's style. I find his truths, about attraction and seduction, very spot on. Like I've said before, he also calls a lot of bullshit on current PUA and I can't help but agree with the guy. All I have to say is, I look at seduction in terms of neediness and venerability. I welcome (almost ) rejection as means of success. And tonight I found myself looking at women and wondering if they were interesting people or not. If that isn't a life-changing, I don't know what is. All in all, I have to say is this book is totally. totally fucking worth it. I'm actually buying it for my friend for christmas (Secret santa yeahyeahyeah). I do have a problem though, unrelated to this. I'm in college so I normally go to house parties/whatever else around campus. I'm normally the one driving since I rarely drink. The problem is we'll go to a party, and I feel responsible for my friends good times. To the point where today me and a friend went together (just us) to a party, and I felt like he wasn't having a good time so I just said lets bounce. Am I responsible for my friends well being? I'm not really too sure how to approach this. I mean I brought them, but there are times where I rather stay but I wouldn't want my friends to be sitting there miserable while I'm doing my thing (usually having a good time). Feeling that I am responsible for them affects me negatively.
the answer is clearly no. that's the same as being responsible for someone else's income, happiness, and health which are all out of your control, same underlying meaning as being responsible for your friends success with women. no matter what you do if they don't want to change you can't help them. they first have to want to change on their own accord and only then are you within the range of capable help.
if you've been in the community enough you'll start to realize there are people you cut out of your life who just drain you. it sounds like you're fighting the contrast between being a good and loyal friend and realizing your friend is possibly someone who will hurt your progress in the future and hold you back. you are NEVER at fault for someone else's emotional state unless of course you're the one that purposely caused it which this isn't the case. you have enough problems in life to deal with, your friend's emotional state isn't one of them.
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On December 17 2011 16:29 saocyn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 16:20 Catch wrote:So I got done reading models. I was going through a chapter a day, pacing myself so I could really think about it. Then I said screw it and blazed through the last third in a dayish. It's hard to say this book is life changing, but I have a hard time putting another adjective on it. I found the first section of the book especially powerful. It is theory work. He then delves into another section, in which there is theory then specific work, and the final section is mostly action with a little bit of theory. The final chapter gives you an action plan so to speak, and then some good words of closing. It is a very well put together book in my opinion, and maybe that is because I am very congruent with Mark's style. I find his truths, about attraction and seduction, very spot on. Like I've said before, he also calls a lot of bullshit on current PUA and I can't help but agree with the guy. All I have to say is, I look at seduction in terms of neediness and venerability. I welcome (almost ) rejection as means of success. And tonight I found myself looking at women and wondering if they were interesting people or not. If that isn't a life-changing, I don't know what is. All in all, I have to say is this book is totally. totally fucking worth it. I'm actually buying it for my friend for christmas (Secret santa yeahyeahyeah). I do have a problem though, unrelated to this. I'm in college so I normally go to house parties/whatever else around campus. I'm normally the one driving since I rarely drink. The problem is we'll go to a party, and I feel responsible for my friends good times. To the point where today me and a friend went together (just us) to a party, and I felt like he wasn't having a good time so I just said lets bounce. Am I responsible for my friends well being? I'm not really too sure how to approach this. I mean I brought them, but there are times where I rather stay but I wouldn't want my friends to be sitting there miserable while I'm doing my thing (usually having a good time). Feeling that I am responsible for them affects me negatively. the answer is clearly no. that's the same as being responsible for someone else's income, happiness, and health which are all out of your control, same underlying meaning as being responsible for your friends success with women. no matter what you do if they don't want to change you can't help them. they first have to want to change on their own accord and only then are you within the range of capable help. if you've been in the community enough you'll start to realize there are people you cut out of your life who just drain you. it sounds like you're fighting the contrast between being a good and loyal friend and realizing your friend is possibly someone who will hurt your progress in the future and hold you back. you are NEVER at fault for someone else's emotional state unless of course you're the one that purposely caused it which this isn't the case. you have enough problems in life to deal with, your friend's emotional state isn't one of them.
I'm sorry, are you saying that being an egotistical ass is the only way to be, even more so if you're worried about your game?
While I agree that he's not responsible and shouldn't feel that way, ignoring your friends (be it at the club or otherwise) just makes you an ass and a bad friend.
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The average person is fat, uneducated, lives through life like a drone. I got better things to do than be the superman and try to fix ppls problems when they don't even give a shit. Ever tried to convince someone who doesn't want quit smoking to quit smoking?
Now if someone is dedicated to change and wants some advise, sure ill give it to them.
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So, I went out tonight clubbing for the first time in a while. This time I was determined to make something happen, and it just so happened that something did. I had a few drinks but not enough to really make a difference. I hit the dance floor and did some ridiculously flashy stuff, and several girls came up and started dancing with me hardcore. At one point I just grabbed this girl, and then she started grinding me. Was pretty cool. At some point I just said "fuck it I don't care anymore" and it wasn't til then that I had any success.
Unfortunately I didn't get too far since I didn't escalate on the dance floor. Girls got pretty bored fast, will work on that. I know I needed to be more aggressive, and be more hands on. Later in the night it became more and more difficult to attract anyone, because I couldn't do any flashy moves, too crowded. I lack skills when it comes to dancing in a small space.
Long after the alcohol wore off, I still walked up dancing to random girls, but they all pretty much ignored me.Still, I've got to give myself props... I approached more women tonight than prob my whole life. After so many rejections it just kind of bounces off, like who cares. I feel like my approach anxiety is pretty much disappearing. Still, obviously have some major flaws in my night game.
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For what it's worth, I used to have troubles remember my favorite openers because of approach anxiety so I made a phone app so I could refresh my memory right before I opened. If you have an Android phone, it's free to download.
Zizilio App on Android
![[image loading]](http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/9650/zizilio.png)
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On December 18 2011 13:30 squattincassanova wrote:
The average person is fat, uneducated, lives through life like a drone. I got better things to do than be the superman and try to fix ppls problems when they don't even give a shit. Ever tried to convince someone who doesn't want quit smoking to quit smoking?
Now if someone is dedicated to change and wants some advise, sure ill give it to them.
So while you didn't directly answer my question I'll take that as a yes. I've enjoyed you PUA guys defending yourselves against people who have been trying to denounce you. But I have to say that being an egotistical ass isn't really something that excites me. To each their own I guess. I'll continue reading your posts from the sidelines, sir squat. It sure makes for interesting reading.
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On December 18 2011 17:49 musselwhizzle wrote:For what it's worth, I used to have troubles remember my favorite openers because of approach anxiety so I made a phone app so I could refresh my memory right before I opened. If you have an Android phone, it's free to download. Zizilio App on Android
This is hilarious! I would love to see a girl actually catching you in the act :D
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Eh, it's not so much that they are holding me back in women. In fact, I don't care how they do with girls, I just wanted them to have fun. They can be pretty fun guys, and they are pretty good guys as well. So cutting them out isn't something I'd do. I agree hellrox, but also with squatting; if they wanted for some help with something, I'd be willing to give em my best. Otherwise, I don't normally bother.
Regardless, I've just decided what I'll do. I'll either just drive separately, even if parking is a bitch. Or I'll just say well we aren't going home till whatever time, like 2:30 or something. So if they want to come with me, they'll know that they will be there till whatever time.
Sound good?
My other problem that I realized last night is that I have a hard time differentiating between what I really don't want to do, or if I am just making up bullshit so I can stay in my comfort zone.
For example, I see girls out when I'm parties that have enough make up on to where even I can tell they do. I tell myself that I don't want someone like that ( I do prefer the down to earth girls though), but I'm starting to think it is just me trying to rationalize. Even if I think they're cute, I'll still go through the same process. I'm slowly figuring this out on my own, though.
@That app: What if she replies that's okay? Then you're fucked. Congrats on making it, though.
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